UK Bans COVID Vax for Kids – Vaccine Harms Sexual Development in Little Boys

a reply to: thethinkingman

What does that say?????

That you endeavored to try and learn to use the functions and tools ATS provided to you springs to mind.

Aside from your failure to use the quote function appropriately, and the fact that your first link says "Page not found".

Congratulations well done all the same.

Now, do you care to have a go at telling us what it all means, and how its applicable, and/or why it should be of any concern?

Surely you are not suggesting the viral vector vaccine, aka AstraZeneca's vaccine to be gene therapy or the like via your contains genetically modified organisms statement?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: thethinkingman

What does that say?????

Surely you are not suggesting the viral vector vaccine, aka AstraZeneca's vaccine to be gene therapy or the like via your contains genetically modified organisms statement?

it is exactly what scientists have been calling gene therapy for the last i dunno...20/30 years....its literally the same thing except the gene they put into the adeno virus ...is the spike protein gene from covid....unless you didnt read any of that...which you clearly didnt cause err...it takes longer than a few minutes.

Theres your homework you asked for....now you want it explained to you....hahahahaha.

You do understand that you wont get stuff if you dont think about it....right???? You literally dont even know what an adeno virus is, start there, look that up. Then next, look up what genes are. Then look up what dna is. Cause ...im not gonna sit here all day trying to explain the impossible to someone who clearly knows # all but then is asking for all the answers in 5 minutes..... you do realise it takes ...months or years to learn these things .....you DO realise you've had like 2 years to learn any of this ....and you havent.

a reply to: thethinkingman

So you think the AstraZeneca vaccine is gene therapy? LoL

www.genomicseducation.hee.nhs.uk...
www.ataxia.org.uk...
www.reuters.com...
www.webmd.com...

It's not, but feel free to think otherwise.

As to explanations, keep them coming, ile chime up when i dont understand.

a reply to: thethinkingman

Welcome to ATS.

You'll fit right in and find many fellow tro..... I mean like minded folk.

a reply to: andy06shake

Do you read any of it or what??? Can you explain how ....using an adeno virus ....which carries a gene ......and makes your body produce stuff .....is not gene therapy.....when thats ....exactly what they call gene therapy?????? Your first link is why MRNA vaccines arent gene therapy....not ....adeno virus vectors......

"Laying the foundations of gene therapy

Graham returned to Canada, joining McMaster University in Ontario, where he continued his research into adenoviruses, focusing first on understanding the molecular biology of cell transformation and later the development of adenoviruses as vectors for mammalian gene transfer.

Graham's HEK293 cells held an advantage for this research; their transformation with adenoviral DNA meant that they could support the growth of adenoviruses altered so that they could no longer self-replicate. An altered virus can't grow outside HEK293 cells or other cell types that support adenoviral replication. However with the support of the missing viral DNA that's now incorporated into the cells' genome, the virus can continue to grow. The adenovirus can also be further altered to include human gene products (such as normal copies of disease genes). Once sufficient quantities of the virus have grown in HEK293 cells, they can be transferred into patients with genetic disease. There they will express the correct, or therapeutic, copies of the gene, so counteracting the effect of the original mutation or treating a disease, but can't replicate to cause disease themselves."

link

....using adeno viruses check. using hek293 cells to produce them...check. insert foreign gene into adeno virus? check.....

"What COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca contains

One dose (0.5 ml) contains: COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S* recombinant) 5 × 10^10 viral particles (vp)

*Recombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS-CoV-2 Spike glycoprotein. Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells.

This product contains genetically modified organisms (GMOs)."

look....its the same thing ......

a reply to: thethinkingman

No sources or evidence, then?

It's getting tedious now.

originally posted by: thethinkingman
a reply to: andy06shake

Do you read any of it or what??? Can you explain how ....using an adeno virus ....which carries a gene ......and makes your body produce stuff .....is not gene therapy.....when thats ....exactly what they call gene therapy??????

"Laying the foundations of gene therapy

Graham returned to Canada, joining McMaster University in Ontario, where he continued his research into adenoviruses, focusing first on understanding the molecular biology of cell transformation and later the development of adenoviruses as vectors for mammalian gene transfer.

Graham's HEK293 cells held an advantage for this research; their transformation with adenoviral DNA meant that they could support the growth of adenoviruses altered so that they could no longer self-replicate. An altered virus can't grow outside HEK293 cells or other cell types that support adenoviral replication. However with the support of the missing viral DNA that's now incorporated into the cells' genome, the virus can continue to grow. The adenovirus can also be further altered to include human gene products (such as normal copies of disease genes). Once sufficient quantities of the virus have grown in HEK293 cells, they can be transferred into patients with genetic disease. There they will express the correct, or therapeutic, copies of the gene, so counteracting the effect of the original mutation or treating a disease, but can't replicate to cause disease themselves."

link

....using adeno viruses check. using hek293 cells to produce them...check. insert foreign gene into adeno virus? check.....

"What COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca contains

One dose (0.5 ml) contains: COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S* recombinant) 5 × 10^10 viral particles (vp)

*Recombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS-CoV-2 Spike glycoprotein. Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells.

This product contains genetically modified organisms (GMOs)."

look....its the same thing ......

this should make it VERY CLEAR.

Jesse Gelsinger (June 18, 1981 – September 17, 1999) was the first person publicly identified as having died in a clinical trial for gene therapy

^ GENE THERAPY^

"On September 13, 1999, Gelsinger was injected with an adenoviral vector carrying a corrected gene to test the safety of the procedure. He died four days later at the age of 18, on September 17, apparently having suffered a massive immune response triggered by the use of the viral vector to transport the gene into his cells, leading to multiple organ failure and brain death.[1]"

SEE THE PART WHERE IT SAYS ADENO VIRUS???????

This is literally scientists saying this ..... YOU'RE the one is arguing against science you dont understand then randomly post links you searched quickly on google for like "astra zeneca isnt gene therapy" ...but dont actually read anything....hahahah

link

a reply to: thethinkingman

Can you explain it?

Because anyway you cut it the mRNA vaccines and the viral vector AstraZeneca vaccine is not gene therapy.

And if you go read those links i provided you with it will tell you why.

But hey-ho if you know better than the immunologist and virologists that actually work in the field then i cant wait to hear a further explanation.

a reply to: thethinkingman

People have been known to die in clinical trials where things can go wrong, what's your point?

Poor wee fellow died in 1999, and certainly not because of any COVID-19 vaccine mRNA based or otherwise.

a reply to: thethinkingman

See the part where it says 1999. LoL

a reply to: andy06shake

Hold on a second, it was not a gene therapy a second ago and now you're saying something about them not dying from mrna covid vaccine in 1999....what the hell are you on mate, i want some. Yeah it directly says that kid was the first person to die from a gene therapy experiment....and it was BECAUSE OF AN ADENO VIRUS they injected into him......

They call that ....GENE THERAPY...the only difference between the covid vaccine which uses vectors and that, is the variety of adeno virus and the fact it has a spike protein gene instead of a gene to fix his liver problem.

I mean you havent admitted you were wrong yet, not a man of your word as i suspected.

a reply to: thethinkingman

Why don't you ask a qualified medical trained professional aka immunologist or virologist worth their salt as to why the mRNA vaccines are not gene therapy?

There is no arguing the fact that the COVID 19 vaccines are gene therapy aside from in anti-vax Qanaonaland.

Is that where you live, sounds like that might be the case.

a reply to: thethinkingman

No need to hold on aside from to your doom porn fantasy's.

The boy died in a clinical trial regarding gene therapy back in 1999 and not because of COVID-19 vaccines.

Simple as that really.

Next.

a reply to: thethinkingman

You might want to change your user name.

It's a bit ironic?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: thethinkingman

No need to hold on aside from to your doom porn fantasy's.

The boy died in a clinical trial for gene therapy back in 1999 and not because of COVID-19 vaccines.

Simple as that really.

Next.

so....it was about adeno virus vectors...like the astra zeneca vaccine you got proven wrong there...so now you're randomly going on about mrna vaccines which i never said anything about.....

The boy that died in the clinical trial is cited ...because they died from something that is practically identical in its mechanism to ....a couple of the covid vaccines....he died from it...other people have died from the covid versions of the same thing, and its also CALLED GENE THERAPY and it has been for decades........but now they're calling it a vaccine.

Nobody said the kid dying in 1999 was from covid...only you cause you literally have no idea whats being said.

ah well, my time is wasted on literal morons like you.

a reply to: thethinkingman

so....it was about adeno virus vectors...like the astra zeneca vaccine you got proven wrong there

In what respect because the AstraZeneca vaccine is not gene therapy plain and simple.

Tell us about Adenoviruses please, their function and the part they play with regards to the AstraZeneca vaccine?

As to how the boy died its not identical at all. LoL

Maybe this can help you understand the history of mRNA technology.

publichealth.jhu.edu...

You're trying to link the death of a kid back in 1999 to your vaccine fears of today and its simply not working, because its not the same thing and people die in clinical trials for a multitude of reasons.

What's wasted is you spouting crap you cant comprehend.

Simple as that really.

a reply to: thethinkingman

New antivaxxer member. Check.

No credible sources. Check.

Insulting anyone who disagrees with them. Check.

How depressing.

The adeno virus is used to get a preferred gene into your cells...as in...these viruses infect your cells...then release their dna into the nucleus of the cell then an mrna is made, which then leaves the nucleus and in the ribosomes of your cells this mrna is read which then your body creates a modified spike protein.

You dont only make an immune response to the spike protein, you make an immune response to these actual viruses, so your immune system will actually stop alot of these viruses before they even infect potentially or especially upon the 2nd or further doses...very bad idea.

These viruses are capable of entering the brain, the heart, the liver, the spine and various other areas. One immune mechanism is the activation of cd8 killer t cells, if foreign dna is detected in your cells...which it will be because thats what the "immune response" is they're talking about from the vaccine, your cd8 killer t cells and natural killer cells will destroy any cell they find that has been infected by this adeno virus and even cells that have been exposed to spike proteins.

This means your immune system will destroy your heart cells to "protect" them from a virus that shouldnt actually be there, this is the actual danger of both the vector and the mrna vaccines, the uncontrolled manner in which these things spread and then make cells they encounter express spike proteins in areas the corona virus is incapable of getting too.

Also injecting 50 billion live viruses into someone at once...isnt a good idea, naturally you'd normally breathe this in or it has to go through your mouth, nose or throat which has its own particular specific immune reponses, all that is bypassed. There are some studies which discuss the total amount of viruses in someone during the peak of a covid infection and it ranges from 1 to 100 billion viruses, 100 billion being a very severe infection.

Another reason why it is dangerous is due to the fact that adeno viruses and many viruses for that matter, can recombine into a new virus, e.g if you're infected with an adeno virus at the time you have this vaccine, this could produce a totally new virus. Also another reason why its dangerous is because there are actually replicating adeno viruses in the vaccines, which means a genetically modified adeno virus with a covid gene might already be spreading around the world...because of these vaccines.

a reply to: thethinkingman

You just don't get how you need to post evidence of your claims?

Even your new friend seems to have given up on you?