The Calvine UFO Image is finally out

a reply to: Jukiodone
Yes I agree juki, it's strange isn't it, at this point, I'm pretty sure that the object was our tech and not something from alpha centuri, and if it is the fabled companion, then why is it still classified today? Apparently the companion was built alongside the f-117 program, so that would mean mid 70's, so it's a hell of a long time to keep that secret, as you would think we had something more advanced then 70's tech by now. The only other thing I can think of is it's a different platform altogether, maybe the so called aurora, another rumored aircraft that was doing the rounds in the 90's so right time frame for that one, but different mission as that was supposed to be a reconnaissance aircraft only, as Dr Clarke's source told him, the object in the photo was used for laser target recognition in GW1, so basically acquiring a ground target by laser, which enabled the night hawks to drop there laser guided bombs accurately on to it, and exactly that, was the rumored role of the companion. At the end of the day, i very much doubt we will ever know what the ufo in the photo was, unless there's a leak down the line, but whoever that leaker may be, they better enjoy eating porridge, and lots of it 😁

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Macenroe82

space aliens with little green men from mars?

I know, right? I mean, everyone knows they're purple, not green, and far more likely to come from Ganymede, not Mars.

a reply to: TheGeneral33

...most likely option is the Xmas decoration someone posted shortly after the "new" pic came out IMO.

Accepting I might be wrong- and this is a real photo of a classified aircraft- the options for justification of continued classification are limited:

Uses a nuclear reactor (or something that might be interpreted as a prohibited technology under existing treaty).
Is the direct progenitor of a UAV in use today and is therefore protected within that security budget.

Both are possible..but unlikely.

Another thing not mentioned so far (but always bothers me about any companion talk) was an old rumor about the "companion" actually being a "reduced spec F117" which was secretly developed for use by a close ally with a strategically aligned LO Scud Hunting requirement.

Like when Motorola used to do those StarTac's with chips missing in the cheap options....

Built in secret using the same materials, facilities, infrastructure and budget but will never ever see the light of day due to the potential issues around its (never publicly acknowledged) activities.

a reply to: Jukiodone
Yes anything is possible juki, I'm no expert, but my opinion for what it's worth is that the photo is genuine, because of all the fuss trying to keep it hidden from the public eye, and that it shows something that was made on earth, because the jets seemed to be escorting rather than intercepting the object. Let's hope Kevin Russell can be found or comes forward for maybe a bit of clarity 👍

Of interest.

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Lets have a wee little wander down through history then shall we?

QUARTZ.

Tier 3+

Funny little story behind it.

It made the B-2B look small change. Unmanned, technologically the most advanced airframe ever put into the skies even as a demonstrator.

Colour changing eyes in the skies for the B-2B. Hunting and sending target data to the B-2B fleet to strike mobile ICBMs, VLO that made the B-2B look like a flying barn door, and was designed to stay in orbit over the most heavily defended airspace there has ever been in history.

They canned it, the USAF got 20 B-2Bs.

Linked? they say not, but what good is a mobile ICBM strike aircraft if its got no eyes on?

Oh, and as a side note, the partner aircraft was often at RAF ##### ######

I'll leave you to do the digging. (hint - the now deceased Graham Birdsall had a pair of photosof it and the MoD slapped him down like a tonne of bricks - from from RAF ##### ####### and one from hill walkers in the Pennines)

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Colour changing ?

a reply to: chunder
.. thats the sort of progenitor worthy of consideration.
Described by insiders as the cats pyjamas /complete overkill/hit a home run etc etc.


Not sure where Astr0 got his Birdsall story from though....
The MoD hold no influence over private citizens in the UK and MoD types typically make Nick Pope look intimidating- so not very scary.

VVLO UAV with active chromatic visual stealth does make sense -allegations that it keeps getting photographed by walkers/chefs/assorted noobs in England dont....

a reply to: Jukiodone
Juki, you are aware that former member A***O is the name that shall not be mentioned here on ATS

a reply to: Jukiodone

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Down the rabbit hole you go

a reply to: TheGeneral33

Bruh...Astr0 dropped out of hyperspeed to post on ATS like a year ago to moan about Covid ( after he mistakenly logged in to Astr0 and not one of his other socks ) ....the mystery is less mysterious.

There ...did it again BTW..Astr0, Astr0, Astr0.. nothing happens- it is permitted in context.

Already posted in BD's thread why this "cant say Astr0" is a common misconception.

a reply to: TheGeneral33


Been there done that )).

a reply to: Jukiodone



Well that's at least something solved then hehe 😁

As this story seems to just keep rolling on I'll had a few more things that have come to light.

But before I go any further I've already expressed concerns about privacy and a photo being published in the Scottish press and on the web of a guy that is allegedly the "Kevin Russell". That's the name on the back of the photo and if he approached the Daily Record in 1990, then he was obviously seeking publicity at the time. So fair game if that's the case and they are certain this is the photographer.

But what if they've got the wrong man? There are a couple of reasons to suspect this manhunt has veered off course. A few weeks ago, fingers were indirectly being pointed at a guy who worked in the Ministry of Defence as a photo analyst.

Matthew Illsley, a member of Dr Clarke’s research project, believes one of the hotel workers who saw the UFO that night over 30 years ago comes from the Falkirk area.

...“We subsequently discovered the photographer was in his early 20s in 1990, and that only two boys of the right name and age were born in the Falkirk area, one in 1965 and the other in 1968....

Meanwhile, we have learned a man of the right name and age currently works for the Ministry of Defence as a photo analyst at the same base to which the photos were sent for analysis in 1990.
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Full Story - Falkirk Herald

Now the latest reports...

....young ­Glaswegian called Kevin Russell, who was working as a porter at the Pitlochry Hydro Hotel at the time...would likely be in his 50s now. Hotel colleagues who were tracked down said he returned to Glasgow in the early 90s.

Exhaustive research by the UFO hunters involved contacting 150 Kevin Russells in Britain, Australia, the US and Canada, and about 300 more Scots called Russell.

None confirmed they were the right man..

Daily Record

However, Craig Lindsay [the RAF officer that spoke to the photographer in 1990] told Dr. David Clarke in an interview last year.

... I can't remember if i asked where they were from? But they had, as far as I can remember, an English accent. They were part of what you'd call holiday workers at the Athol Palace...


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From my experience, Glaswegians have a very distinctive accent. Unlike any of the myriad of English accents.

Of course, it's entirely possible that Craig's memory was dulled by time, and he'd not only got the wrong hotel but had also mistaken the accent of the witness as well. But with such hazy recall, it does make me wonder if they've got the wrong guy, too.

a reply to: mirageman

Isn’t it customary for management in places like hotels to take Staff group pictures?

For example…..


If so perhaps Russell appears in one of them……from the hotel he worked at back in those day’s…

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FURTHER UPDATES

Some further updates from one of Dave Clarke's Team who has produced witness cards detailing various leads they've had in the hunt for the photographer.

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🧔🏻Witness #1

Having seen the article in the Daily Mail. this man found us via social media and spoke to David by email a phone. He said he had worked at Fisher‘s Hotel kitchen in the eady 199Ds. He has repeatedly alieged that the photographers were two chefs (neither of whom was Kevin Russell] out hunting for magic mushrooms. one of whom later took the negatives to Glasgow on the bus. He never saw the images himself and can only recall the chefs' first names which he has given us. He has also alleged that two officers from a specific branch of the military visited the hotel kitchen one night within a coupie of days of the photos being given to the Record and intimidated the two chefs. "They got the **** right put up them.“

He said a man named Kevin also worked in the kitchen at Fisher's at the time. but he did not recall this man being involved In the Calvine incident. He thought this man was the son of a lady who worked at the Pitlochry Festival Theatre. but our research has determined that this was definitely not the case. He said he recently contacted another kitchen worker. one of two brothers. who remembered the Caivine incident In the same way as himself but did not want to come forward.

Witness #1 said that one chef died a few years after the incident foilowlng a period of significant ill health. but that the other (who was the actual photographer and who had taken the negatives to the Record) quickly became introverted and left his job at the hotel within a couple of weeks [by September 1990 at the latest]. This man took the bus to Glasgow. and Witness #1 felt mat he actuaily returned to his family home on an island off the west coast of Scotland. e.g. Arran or Islay. that he lived with his elderly mother. had been a keen bird watcher. and that in 199D was aged 24 or 25.

Witness #1 denied that anyone in the hotel was into poaching and insisted that the photos had not been” hoaxed.

🪖 Witness #2

A former military officer located by David and spoken to for close to 2.5 hours In 4 separate conversations. On being asked if there was anything UFO—related In his career. he replied: '...there was one case where there was a couple of poachers up in Scotland, in the hills. and. having photographed each other with their kill. you know. they happened to catch some aircraft in the background. shall we say. and that caused a hell of a stink." David asked if this was related to 'Aurora'. ""feah that's the one... That we proved. well. that we knew. took off from Machrihanish. That‘s why it had U5 and UK escorts with it.‘ He continued: '...we were able to say. yeah [choosing words carefuilyl it's a foreign aircraft that's undergoing trials. you know. that sort of thing.“ He later added: "We identified the 2 chase aircraft... one was American and one was British and from there. you know. that was really the giveaway..."

David then asked why the secrecy had been maintained for something over 39 years old. '...l've never seen an open-source version of it yet... Because I still think that one was so clever. they kept It well away from the public.“ He later said the craft had on board a laser - "It drew the ground underneath you" — and that it had specifically drawn a laser picture of a cathedral in Belgium. He also added that it had been used in the Gulf War to direct the bombs that were dropped by other aircraft.

The man then said he'd flown up to the RAF side of Edinburgh airport. had spoken to the witnesses. “and did some other work on it". Dn going across the Atlantic to liaise with the Americans. he said: "Well. we did show them the photograph and they went ballistic... They shut everything down from us for a long time after that.“ He described the Calvine photograph as a. 'one-in-a-million chance“.

Do the issue of it being a heart: “it was definitely not a hook. it was definitely good film. let's put it that way." On the number of images. he couldn't recall exactly but said: "There were several. I believe.“ David queried why the photographer hadn't hawked the photos elsewhere. "You know. somebody probably had a word in his ear and said 'l wouldn't if i was you. Just keep 'em to yourself. ...[Sighs audibly] It happened in those days. People were told sometimes to just shut up and go away." David then queried doing that to a civilian. "Put yourself in a position like that where somebody in a suit knocks on your door one day and says. 'Hey. let me talk to you about something from which you could end up locked up for the next In years'. you know. and that's it.’

On the case in general: “'ibu won't find anything ever about it. really... " On the witnesses: "They were a similar age to me... They‘re now coming up to Bil... i think they were locals. Well. they were Scottish. let‘s put it that way.“ Do the idea that the photographers were two kitchen staff: 'lt's a bit far fetched. isn't it? About as far fetched as a bucket of # from China... 1 don't really believe that.“

👩Witness #3

This is a former colleague of Kevin Russell's. We found her via the 1990!?1 list ofPitlochry Hydro
Hotel staff.

She recalled Kevln Russell as one of two Kevins. Both of whom were kItchen porters. She also provided us with the photograph and confirmed that KR was from Falkirk originally.

👨Witness #4

This is a fon'ner colleague of Kevin Russell's. We found him 1wla the 1999.191 list of Pitlochry Hydro Hotel staff. He himself worked at the Hydro Hotel for a substantial period, but he recalled Kevin as working there, “for just a flaw months”. The witness insists that Kefin was from Falkirlt originally and that he was a Falldrk FC fan.

He also says he never saw Kevin with a camera. so he was mystified how Kevin's name would come to be on the hack of the photo.

a reply to: Jukiodone

I think what was photographed was the evolution of an earlier Lockheed design that may have formed part of the original XST submission, what is referred to as the Hopeless Diamond.

If you add a few goodies from other Lockheed experimental projects (VTOL, faceted stealth and super quiet engines) and add low visual observability you are almost there, plus it would meet the criteria for the F-117 companion.

A few things don't add up, such as the reports of an F-117 sized similar aircraft (this appears to be larger) and air to air refuelling capability (could that airframe even travel at the speed required) but if it was that much of a breakthrough ?

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1


For example…..

If so perhaps Russell appears in one of them……from the hotel he worked at back in those day’s…

Considering the left pic, perhaps we have already found our man...

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

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originally posted by: mirageman
[ David asked if this was related to 'Aurora'. ""feah that's the one... That we proved. well. that we knew. took off from Machrihanish. That‘s why it had U5 and UK escorts with it.‘ He continued: '...we were able to say. yeah [choosing words carefuilyl it's a foreign aircraft that's undergoing trials. you know. that sort of thing.“ He later added: "We identified the 2 chase aircraft... one was American and one was British and from there. you know. that was really the giveaway..."

David then asked why the secrecy had been maintained for something over 39 years old. '...l've never seen an open-source version of it yet... Because I still think that one was so clever. they kept It well away from the public.“ He later said the craft had on board a laser - "It drew the ground underneath you" — and that it had specifically drawn a laser picture of a cathedral in Belgium. He also added that it had been used in the Gulf War to direct the bombs that were dropped by other aircraft.

Interesting.
I think theres "enough" evidence to rule out Machrihanish as a home of black projects (the road next to it, the farmers house at the bottom of the airstrip, the golf club that literally overlooks the runway, the multiple photos of other aircraft using the site during the alleged period taken by aviation buffs etc etc.)

Aurora (as in the commonly accepted super secret plane) is also more likely to be the accounting catchall as described by those who were verified to be involved in the project (LM's Rich and the USAF head of procurement).

But then this-

"He later said the craft had on board a laser - "It drew the ground underneath you" — and that it had specifically drawn a laser picture of a cathedral in Belgium."


Sounds a bit like another alleged BBT "slam dunk" black technology called "Paint the Night" - which was a project involving Mike Muuss (of Ping fame) to deliver real time ray tracing and 3d solid object modeling.


I'll try to dig out the PPT Big Fat Furry Texan posted years ago ( @BFFT- are you around - do you still have it?).
Muuss came to sticky end in an automobile incident- the PPT was pretty out there in terms of potential capabilities.

ETA- found it- PTN presentation : Linkage

a reply to: Jukiodone

....But then this-
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"He later said the craft had on board a laser - "It drew the ground underneath you" — and that it had specifically drawn a laser picture of a cathedral in Belgium."

Would this information still be top secret? If so why would a military officer be leaking it to ufologists?

The OCR scrambled up some of the wording in those witness cards. This officer also claimed the photographer was coming up to 80!

...On the case in general: “'You won't find anything ever about it. really... " On the witnesses: "They were a similar age to me... They’re now coming up to 80... i think they were locals. Well. They were Scottish. let’s put it that way.“

Everyone else appears to think the photographer/witness was around 18-25 at the time. As the names are redacted from the MoD files until the 2070s (when the witness would be close to 100) then I think that's probably the correct asssessment.

In other words, this military officer appears to be passing duff information.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Jukiodone

....But then this-
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"He later said the craft had on board a laser - "It drew the ground underneath you" — and that it had specifically drawn a laser picture of a cathedral in Belgium."

Would this information still be top secret? If so why would a military officer be leaking it to ufologists?

People who cant be trusted in small matters etc....the Aurora and Machrihanish bits are Simon Holland worthy levels of BS IMO due to the reasons stated above.

PTN would be late 80's/early 90's tech. and people interested in such things evidently knew about it due to the early demise of Muuss.

Intel bods seem to repeat rumors the same as everybody else.

As you say - likely duff info- but the laser drawing a Belgian cathedral bit pricked my ears up.

ETA : If we take the number of crackpot-but-real ex US intel bods and transpose to the UK....all it takes is a couple of UK guys with Pope levels of credibility repeating unfounded rumors (like Pope does....) to completely blur the truth.