Russia has 'wired energy units' of Zaporizhzhia Nuclear plant with Explosives

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: Phantom423

Russia is not at war with Ukraine. No war has been declared. Unless I missed the declaration! Could have happened I guess. From Russian reports this is nothing more than a 'Special Operation.'

I don't see how Putin could ever declare war when he and his circle don't consider Ukraine a country. How can one declare war against something that doesn't even exist? Impossible. Hence Special operation.

Russia certainly has gained land. by the last count the acreage under Russian military control is something like the size of England. No mean feat really. One can forget all legalities when it comes to this type of property ownership. all that matters is who has boots on the ground and in this area the size of England it's the Russian military

Sorry, but semantics don't work. When countries are fighting each other, that's called a war.

The definition of war:

a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state:

You can call it whatever you like but the reality doesn't change.

And no, Russia has not seized any land to date. There may be military occupation but that's not capitulation, declaration or annexation of ANY land to Russia. No borders have been declared. Russia has lost their "special operation". Their army is a joke, the laughing stock of the military world.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Ukraine is absolutely non of our business! British have no reason whatsoever to interfere in Russia's domain.

But the Ukraine is not Russia's domain is it?

If that's a question then yes Ukraine is Russia's domain. 100% their business. Their back yard. Indeed their people and reflectively their religion. Their shared history. Their tied economic and energy system. Their brotherly love in normal times (when not hijacked by outside influences through a western acked coup and brainwashed) as part of a family.

Ukraine is historically Russia's jewel in their crown. They won't give up until it's back in their orbit.

You obviously don't know your history or want to educate yourself on the history of eastern Europe.
Before Ukraine was a nation it's lands were controled by the Austrian and Russian Empires, your post congratulating Ray for his example of Ireland proves you only know as far back as USSR history and shows the hypocracy in your post.

WW1 caused chaos in Eastern Europe with the collapse of several Empires and brought about the rise of these smaller nations. it was the Ukrainian Bolsheviks who were part of the "Red" army, who had defeated the national government in Kyiv, that help create the USSR in the 1920s but in the 30s Russia tried to eliminate all Ukrainian culture and starved millions, then WW2 happened and Germany invaded, the Ukrainian Army fought for independence and to free itself from both the USSR and Nazi germany. Also it was the USSR who transfered control of Crimea to Ukraine in 1954, by your reckoning does that mean Great Britian should take back all the lands it once layed claim to during it's colonial days, like Russia is trying to do here?

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Aye and Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser

Despite the fact it was Westminster, Ulster and the IRA they managed a peace sharing deal and I've met enough Irish people to know that the general consensus is to get over the past.

We're all brothers and sisters on these shores mate and that goes for those Irish ones too, there's always some twat setting highlander against Lowlander, Pict against Scot... Yet the people? All shagging each other.

So no it's not lost on me that they're all Slavics, that's the bit that brings the tear actually. Ain't no caring without the sharing and that's what it often boils down to, wasn't much sharing under communism (ironically) so I fully expect Ukraine to fight for theirs. Let's not beat around the bush here Russia is aiming to take. The bs its fed to the rest of the world in the lead up is just...

a reply to: RAY1990

Spot on assessment Ray actually agree with pretty much everything you post there. You make excellent well thought out points and in all fairness the whole monkey business out in the east is just fallout from an empire much diminished still finding its place in the world yet with many Soviet born people still alive I don't believe we will see the end of this, their very own Suez moment until they move to the next plane of existence

a reply to: Kurokage

Kurokage you can bark on about the history of land ownership all you want and as far back as is convenient for your theories........................... Yet the only thing that counts in the present is whose boots and weapons are present in the relevant location and right now Russian's have control having taken a land area roughly the size of England.

Nobody gives a monkey's about the Austrian Empire and its domination of Ukraine hundreds of years ago. What's that got to do with an inter Slav mafia war going on today in 2022?

We are living in the present and right now Russia is doing what is necessary to clear Ukraine of Nazi's as I'm sure you know full well

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: Kurokage

Kurokage you can bark on about the history of land ownership all you want and as far back as is convenient for your theories........................... Yet the only thing that counts in the present is whose boots and weapons are present in the relevant location and right now Russian's have control having taken a land area roughly the size of England.

Nobody gives a monkey's about the Austrian Empire and its domination of Ukraine hundreds of years ago. What's that got to do with an inter Slav mafia war going on today in 2022?

We are living in the present and right now Russia is doing what is necessary to clear Ukraine of Nazi's as I'm sure you know full well

“Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”. – Winston Churchill.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”- George Santayana

“History repeats itself endlessly for those who are unwilling to learn from the past.” – Leon Brown

“History is never dead. It crawls its way into our present and shapes our future.”

If you don't know your history then you're doomed to repeat the same mistakes.....

These arn't theories I posted, they are proven facts and you lack of knowledge yet support of a dictator shows how blinkered you are here.
The land taken by Mad Vlad wasn't Russia's to begin with and he had no right to steal it.
Ok, the present then? You claim Russia is doing whats necessary to clear out nazis? So that includes bombing innocent people does it? That means means commiting war crimes on captured soilders does it? That means it ok to threaten to destroy a Nuclear reactor does it?
If Mad Vlad wants to route out Nazis, he should start with his own soliders first and the Nazism thats rife in his own country.

Ireland is about the size of England, the Brits once ruled it and before that they were all celts like most of Great Britian was before the Romans, does that mean it's ok retake control of it?
You seem fine to say it's ok for Mad Vlad to do it so does that mean it's ok for everybody else to do it to? I feel sorry for you to be so blinkered and blind to the real world.

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

Not every country has biolabs operated by another country, a world super that just so happens to be across the world on the border of another world super power.

Well first, they are not operated by another country. Support does not mean we control what they do. Second, level 2 labs and even level 3s are basic ones used in society. I think it was week one when Russia did their typical way over the top propaganda and screamed US bioweapon labs! Then nothing, and now you and a few others want to bring it up again. It was all a lie, and not even a good one at that. Have you not noticed that Russia moved on from this lie after two weeks, maybe you should too.

France can have 10 000 bio labs for all I care it's their own country not even CLOSE to the same comparison. How about Russia sets up about 25 biolabs near the Mexican/US border let's see how cool THE US would be about it with Russia and Mexico

So the logical question is why would the US put labs in Ukraine? That would be like one of the dumbest ideas ever, and they would be 100% not needed. Now Ukraine needs labs as there are a good deal of animal and human diseases they are combating. Don't be like the Russians and just make something up with zero logic behind it. This is why this died so quickly like 99.9% of all the other Russian crap they spew to justify a war they really can not.

Once again, why would Russia waste time setting up bio labs in Mexico when they can do them anywhere, like their own country where they can do anything and be safe from others...lol I understand you jumped on the bandwagon because it was great to do...well until you actually think about it then it becomes a silly thought.

originally posted by: Kurokage
I feel sorry for you to be so blinkered and blind to the real world.

Ha it's you who'se been blinkered by the western MSM. I put a tenner on it you likewise followed blinkered and blind the western MSM brainwashing you into believing Iraq was a threat to the free world and needed a little Iraqification

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Good to see not everyone is brainwashed by the western MSM

No, you're just swallowing Russian propaganda blindly in order to look a) informed or b) special because you don't follow 'the 'latest thing' and aren't one of the sheeple.

Feeble and lame.

a reply to: just4fun

Like Joe Biden and Zelenski and Pelosi and and Schumer and Grahm and McConnel have the Ukrainians best interests at heart

You probably actually believe that they do

Yet another massive assumption that is way, way wide of the mark.

Please show me when and/or where I've expressed anything of the sort?

Pitiful and reeks of desperation and an inability to see passed the partisan dichotomy that is ripping your country apart.

It's Ukraine shelling the plant, they've been doing it for the past week or so. Pure propaganda from the Kiev regime that Russia has wired the plant with explosives. There would be no reason for them to do that. I don't understand why Kiev lies are repeated without question across alternative sites but here we are I guess. UK/US/Kiev propaganda taken as fact and defended as if spoken from God himself.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

"We are living in the present and right now Russia is doing what is necessary to clear Ukraine of Nazi's as I'm sure you know full well "

Yeah. The women and children are the worst Nazis...

a reply to: justgetahouse1

Whereas Russian propaganda is...
Oh, I give up.....

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

Sorry, its getting boring and repetitive having to repeat the same things to counter your nonsensical posts.
You can lead a horse to water and all that.

The fact is you have your head that far up Putin's arse you could tickle his tonsils.

Seems to me some people are pro-Putin and pro-Russia simply because they hate the US/UK/NATO etc.
Seems to me some people are pro-Putin and pro-Russia simply because they despise Biden so much that they automatically support who and what they assume are his enemies or simply oppose everything he proposes.
Seems to me some people are pro-Putin and pro-Russia simply because they simply want to be seen as somehow more informed than the sheeple and anti the 'current thing' because it makes them feel special.
Or a mixture of all.

Its boring, its tedious and becoming very, very predictable.


Zzzzzzzz

originally posted by: Phantom423

And no, Russia has not seized any land to date. There may be military occupation but that's not capitulation, declaration or annexation of ANY land to Russia. No borders have been declared. Russia has lost their "special operation". Their army is a joke, the laughing stock of the military world.

Quite impressive really how Russia stepped in and stopped the Yanks colonising yet another piece of eastern Europe. No disrespect to the Yanks I support the experiment called the United States and for the best part they have been a benefit to Planet Earth. But they show total disrespect to Russia when it comes to their backyard bar the Nazi loving Baltic fascist holocaust lovers.

Russia a laughing stock? Well they just happen to control the largest state on Earth by a man mile. With all those resources. Their army has just taken a chunk of Europe to add to this the size of England! You say a joke? They took that area even though the illegal coup installed western backed regime receives a Anglo nations blank cheque of free advanced weaponry to use plus training of their always expendable gun fodder 17 year olds in British military camps.

I watched a UK minister state "we will back Ukraine all the way until every Ukrainian young man is dead"......................... Ha that's a proxy war and a sick one at that

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

"I watched a UK minister state "we will back Ukraine all the way until every Ukrainian young man is dead".

You did?

Got a source?

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Putin has so far gained a territory half the size of the United Kingdom, let's say the whole of England to add to his Empire.

Very commendable.
A world superpower struggling against a non-threatening neighbour.
The boy's sure done well.

Look I'm no Vlad fanboy

Sorry mate, but over the last few months you've been doing a very good impression of one.

Just like Ukraine is part of Russia's domain.

One little problem with that; Ukrainians don't see it that way.

Too much at stake to risk a nuclear war and for what?

So we let Putin bully and intimidate his way across eastern Europe reclaiming all those lost ex-Soviet and Warsaw Pact countries in his insane drive for Greatness?

Appeasement doesn't work.
Pleased you weren't around during WWII etc.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

FFS man, you know even less about Ireland than you do about Ukraine.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

"We are living in the present and right now Russia is doing what is necessary to clear Ukraine of Nazi's as I'm sure you know full well "

Yeah. The women and children are the worst Nazis...

It's a proxy war OC. Like any other proxy war the innocent fall.

The West or whatever nonsensical name one calls it have been backing offensive military action or at the very least looking the other way while it happens since at the very least 1918.

The French and Brits attacked Russia in the 19th C also straight after the Great War they invaded again yet were wiped out along with the rest of 'The Whites.'

Nazis attacked, Brits and the rest looked the other way. Indeed we could have opened a new front in the west before 1944, yet why do it when Russia can be destroyed.

1945 to 1991, a relentless attack on anything Russian. Proxy wars everywhere. Economic attacks for half a century. Demonisation campaign against the socialist experiment by TPTB .

Post 1991 the offensive against Moscow kicks up a gear. Yanks take over or attempt 'colour revolutions' all over the FSU.

The Wrest never wanted an equal relationship with Russia post 1991. Check out the steel business. Russia's metalurgy has never been allowed to compete on the international market by the EU in particular. Russia was supposedly welcomed in from the cold yet it's businesses were kept out of so called free markets.

Any Russian friendly state has been sanctioned, take Cuba, invaded, take Syria oh and many more, if the west doesn't get its way then bring on cookie bar Nuland and mad man bomb bomb Iran McCain and create the state for revolution through illegal coups, yes Ukraine. Plus many more.

Russia and its influence has been under attack non stop from the so called West for hundreds of years right back to Napoleon and yet people are surprised when after all of this Moscow states enough is enough and strike back. When one looks at things from another persons shoes one gets another view of reality

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

FFS man, you know even less about Ireland than you do about Ukraine.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Plantations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Filled with Hugos, Scottish, English to colonise the addition to Westminster's domain. Still there to this day! Colony FB