Russia has 'wired energy units' of Zaporizhzhia Nuclear plant with Explosives

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: KindraLabelle2
a reply to: Freeborn

well said!

If you European Union folk are so bothered about Russia getting a little frisky on your doorstep, why don't you lot do something about it instead of relying on the Anglo nations every time to save your butt from aggressors?

There's plenty of you. Plenty of kick ass engineering in your union too. Maybe it's about time to stand on your own feet, pay for your own defence in terms of manpower and developing your own domestic equipment through expensive research and development instead of asking the Brits and Yanks to save you from the bogeyman every time they show up

And you say that as if I personally have any control at all about what the EU, UN, NATO,... leaders do, think and decide. Me, and every other citizen, we just live here, each with our own opinion.

I guess most of us here in Europe would rather see you Brits and yank start minding your own business and get the F out of here. But that's not going to happen, is it?

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

By the grace of God we did leave your sinking EU ship and are now free to create our own destiny.

Unfortunately escape from the European continent is almost impossible when every time you get in trouble we have to come and save you.

The point is one day Brits and Yanks aren't going to come to your aid and it's time to start defending yourselves. Russia is your issue on your border. No threat to us whatsoever.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Totally true.

The only reason why the current administration in the USA is there at all with so much money, weapons, and other ops is because of their corruption money machine set up there already. Likely a few other countries are in on that action as well.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: ufoorbhunter
I don't know whats lower you or whale sh*t??

Your sh*t is lower no two ways about it

A very poor attempt at a comeback my friend, which has made you look even more dumb if thats possible.
You want to be careful swollowing all of Mad Vlads bullsh*t, you could choke on it.....

Hehe it was your comment lol! As it was effectively a quote of yours in reply look in the mirror Kuro and if you feel so passionately about taking on the Russian's go and volunteer for the Ukranian volunteer. |They are looking for gun fodder right now then again I guess you'll stick to verbal assaults on your laptop

You obviously dont understand the remark I made and your answer wasn't anywhere near a copy of it...
And you seem so passionate about calling out the Ukrainians, so with a lot dead Russian soliders and lots refusing to fight maybe you could volunteer too!
I'm old school I use a PC not a laptop, but you're the armchair warrior here saying its fine for Russia to invade another country and commit atrocious terrorist attacks on it's civillians.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: KindraLabelle2

By the grace of God we did leave your sinking EU ship and are now free to create our own destiny.

Unfortunately escape from the European continent is almost impossible when every time you get in trouble we have to come and save you.

The point is one day Brits and Yanks aren't going to come to your aid and it's time to start defending yourselves. Russia is your issue on your border. No threat to us whatsoever.

omg man you are so full of it

I'm stopping right here before I follow your example and start generalizing an entire nation because of the stupidity of one individual

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Totally true.

The only reason why the current administration in the USA is there at all with so much money, weapons, and other ops is because of their corruption money machine set up there already. Likely a few other countries are in on that action as well.

I know your post was not direct to me but I like to answer on it anyway,

Your right, there is an entire American setup in Europe, it has been there for decades. Not only for money but a lot because of military advantages. A lot of it started with 'deals' made behind the screen and outside of the public view...
Europeans have just a much a problem with that as Americans

For example: There are 5 countries in Europe that store US nuclear warheads, none of these countries ever officially said that they have them and they are not on the list of countries that own nukes (because we don't own them, just store them, and still a lot of military personal in the EU has access to them all the time) .
One storage is literally behind my corner.
No one wants them here, and yet they are going nowhere because you can bet yr ass that the US has offered plenty in return for it.

The point is that there is nothing what so ever that you and I or anyone else can do about it

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Totally true.

The only reason why the current administration in the USA is there at all with so much money, weapons, and other ops is because of their corruption money machine set up there already. Likely a few other countries are in on that action as well.

Spot on NoCorruptionAllowed everything links back up with the Dollar flow plus boots on the ground sets up a level of leverage

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: ufoorbhunter
I don't know whats lower you or whale sh*t??

Your sh*t is lower no two ways about it

A very poor attempt at a comeback my friend, which has made you look even more dumb if thats possible.
You want to be careful swollowing all of Mad Vlads bullsh*t, you could choke on it.....

Hehe it was your comment lol! As it was effectively a quote of yours in reply look in the mirror Kuro and if you feel so passionately about taking on the Russian's go and volunteer for the Ukranian volunteer. |They are looking for gun fodder right now then again I guess you'll stick to verbal assaults on your laptop

You obviously dont understand the remark I made and your answer wasn't anywhere near a copy of it...
And you seem so passionate about calling out the Ukrainians, so with a lot dead Russian soliders and lots refusing to fight maybe you could volunteer too!
I'm old school I use a PC not a laptop, but you're the armchair warrior here saying its fine for Russia to invade another country and commit atrocious terrorist attacks on it's civillians.

Fight for the Russian's lol? Get off your high horse. I wouldn't fight for my own nation.............. Unless we were invaded then I might be tempted.

Look this is a mafia feud set up in a Slavic stadium whereby yet another proxy war is being conducted for the benefits of the few and the death of millions. Completely avoidable yet nobody took the Russian's seriously and listened to their red lines on NATO expansion. You get what you get when it comes around and it has come around now. Interesting to look on at something that is pretty crazy in our own backyard, but taking sides between two peoples that have nothing at all to do with us, whether through Empire, economy, colonial legacy, language, religion, is completely demented

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

for the benefits of the few and the death of millions.

I can agree with this statement, the Kremlin is the few.

But Mad Vlad had no right to invade a sovereign nation and has no right commiting terrorist acts on innocent civillians. He also has no right telling sovereign nations who they can and can't join up with, they are no longer members of a faded and non-existent USSR, and his attacks justifies appling for membership of NATO.

Fight for the Russian's lol? Get off your high horse. I wouldn't fight for my own nation..............

Yet you're happy to support an illegal terrorist attack on a free peaceful nation?

is this a good thing or a bad thing?


www.msn.com... he-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-in-ukraine-now-occupied-by-russian-forces-the-state-department-said-thursday/ar-AA10yQI8

The United States supports calls by the United Nations and others to establish a demilitarized zone around the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in Ukraine, now occupied by Russian forces, the State Department said Thursday.

"We continue to call on Russia to cease all military operations at or near Ukrainian nuclear facilities and return full control to Ukraine, and support Ukrainian calls for a demilitarized zone around the nuclear power plant," said a State Department spokesperson.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

We live in an ever shrinking world mate.....we can't just ignore what is happening on our doorstep, realistically or morally.

If we ignore Russian expansionism where will it stop?
Calais?
And how would that impact the UK?

And then we have to consider the human cost to this expansionism.

I've never advocated British troops on the ground in this conflict or many other one's in recent years.
But we are a part of the human race.
And even though we broke free from the shackles of the horrific EU the fact remains that we still have many shared values and interests with our continental neighbours.

Yes, they most definitely need to stop relying on the US and UK.....and I'm certain many continental Europeans will agree with that.
But we can not and indeed should not just sit back and do nothing as one former Soviet and Warsaw Pact nation after another falls under Russian control against the wishes of the people of those countries.

And bear in mind the implications of a stronger unified EU military.
What threat could they pose to the UK?

Its a moral and practical dilemna and one that there are no easy answers to.

a reply to: Freeborn

While it is true Europe has entered a forever war, but keep in mind it is the Anglo Saxons who started the war in the first place by arming Ukrainians to slaughter Russians. Russians did not start the war. Russians wanted good relation with the west. It is Anglo Saxons who do not want peace.

a reply to: putnam6

Russians will never accept this. They would rather shut down the plant than giving it back to Ukrainians.

a reply to: manofrightiousness

Err...actually that's not true.

Moscow funded Russian Militia's were operating throughout Luhansk and Donetsk.
They were conducting a campaign of terror on ethnic Ukrainians in lands they had inhabited for generations.
They terrorised many locals including non-Orthodox Christians and Jews as well as targetting official Ukrainian buildings etc.
Yes, the Ukrainian government pushed back against these Militia's, sometimes quite brutally, but it certainly wasn't as unprovoked as you are intimating.

Someone pushes me I push back twice as hard.

But still, that doesn't justify the wholescale invasion of a non-threatening neighbour - a neighbour whose independence Russia had sworn to respect and defend - or the ongoing death and destruction.

a reply to: manofrightiousness

Ahem. Yes they did. They invaded Ukraine.

Who are these "Anglo Saxons" that you speak of?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

We live in an ever shrinking world mate.....we can't just ignore what is happening on our doorstep, realistically or morally.

If we ignore Russian expansionism where will it stop?
Calais?
And how would that impact the UK?

And then we have to consider the human cost to this expansionism.

I've never advocated British troops on the ground in this conflict or many other one's in recent years.
But we are a part of the human race.
And even though we broke free from the shackles of the horrific EU the fact remains that we still have many shared values and interests with our continental neighbours.

Yes, they most definitely need to stop relying on the US and UK.....and I'm certain many continental Europeans will agree with that.
But we can not and indeed should not just sit back and do nothing as one former Soviet and Warsaw Pact nation after another falls under Russian control against the wishes of the people of those countries.

And bear in mind the implications of a stronger unified EU military.
What threat could they pose to the UK?

Its a moral and practical dilemna and one that there are no easy answers to.

Totally respect where you are coming from FB......... You ought to work for a newspaper by the way you write so beautifully.

We genuinely have nothing to worry about regarding the Russian's making it to Calais. As much as I genuinely do understand Putin's desire to keep Yanks / UK / NATO/ whatever one calls it out of Ukraine there is no way he can accomplish this. Russian military tech is not one generation behind ours. It is two generations or maybe 1 1/2 behind. They don't stand a chance. Same going back quite some time. The Russian military doesn't have the tech to beat a similar backward state like Ukraine. Take on the Brit's they'd be finished in no time, add the States and it's game over in days.

Nukes are another matter and they do possess a massive arsenal with an ability to target us from the seas and the threat there is real, yet MAD applies and this doesn't happen in proxy wars (hope this still remains the case)

A stronger EU military? For sure and extremely interesting point FB For our islands in the long term and considering our historical ( ) relations with our closest neighbours that is more of a concern than a mad man far far away in control of an ex super power with a localised grudge he wants putting right

originally posted by: Freeborn
The mind truly boggles at people justifying rigging a nuclear power plant to explode and using it to bully, intimidate and hold the world to ransom.
People think that's acceptable and even commendable behaviour?

So pretty much what Russia and the U.S have been doing with nuclear weapons for decades now?

Nothing has changed except the weapon being used. Mutually assured destruction and all that.

But as I've always said terrorism depends purely on which end of the gun you're looking at. Not that I am defending Russia here to be clear.
Far as I am concerned it's all a stupid sh*t show on all sides of the planet and all the so called 'leaders' are to blame, us too especially as we elect these fother muckers or do noting to remove them from power then act all surprised when the sh*t show never ends.....

What a sad species we are.

Feels like 'evil' these days just comes down to how good a PR team you have.

Man, glad I am in Australia if only because our isolation means hopefully reduced impact from the Northern Hemisphere's never ending nonsense when it finally all goes to hell proper again.

Here's hoping the next world war is the last, that those involved wipe each other out completely. Because we've learned nothing it seems from the last 2 or the smaller ones in-between and the people in countries like mine are tired of being dragged into the rest of the worlds crap. Especially when it comes to Russia, the U.S, the Middle East and China and their pursuit of money, power and control. Because end of the day that is always what this bullsh*t is about.

But yeah, I personally cannot give a hoot about a power plant being turned into a nuclear bomb when nuclear missiles exist. It's tomayto tomarto for me. A rose by any other name and all that.

I feel bad that I'm at that point that I think we all just need to be wiped out. Decent humans living as we're told good humans should are too outnumbered by the evil selfish ones for this world to ever be at peace. Humans are a cancer on existence. None of us are worth saving anymore. Time to let another species evolve and have a crack at running things.

Man, glad I am in Australia if only because our isolation means hopefully reduced impact from the Northern Hemisphere's never ending nonsense when it finally all goes to hell proper again.

I'm sorry to say friend, if it does go to hell, then China will be dragged into it and will take any opportunity to have a pop at you guys.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Totally respect where you are coming from FB......... You ought to work for a newspaper by the way you write so beautifully.

Thank you for the kind words; just try to say it like I see it free from any sort of bias etc.

But I assure you, I can spout just as much #e as the next man at times.🤣

We genuinely have nothing to worry about regarding the Russian's making it to Calais.

Hitler probably had little intention of spreading his Third Reich across the whole of continental Europe when he first invaded Sudetenland etc.
But these sort of people are never satisfied....one succesful invasion feeds the desire for another.

As much as I genuinely do understand Putin's desire to keep Yanks / UK / NATO/ whatever one calls it out of Ukraine.....

Putin's motivations are simple;
a) A yearning to restore Russia to former glories.
b) A chapter all of his own in the Book of Russian History and a Great epithet.
c) To be rcognised as a World Super Power.

.... there is no way he can accomplish this. Russian military tech is not one generation behind ours. It is two generations or maybe 1 1/2 behind. They don't stand a chance.

Agreed.
The fact he is scrounging drones and equipment from Iran and North Korea is testament to that.

If Putin was ever stupid enough to take the US on head first in a full on conventional war Russia would get annhilated in no time.

But as you say, nuclear arms are the great leveller and the MAD scenario has ensured only limited conflict between the worlds leading military powers since WWII.
Stalin, Brezhnev et al knew that once one goes they all go and its End of The World as we know it.

Yet Putin in his arrogance and conceit is threatening that balance.
That's inexcusable.

A stronger EU military? For sure and extremely interesting point FB For our islands in the long term and considering our historical ( ) relations with our closest neighbours that is more of a concern than a mad man far far away in control of an ex super power with a localised grudge he wants putting right

I don't necessarily fear an EU Army - I doubt they could agree on anything long enough for them to become an effective and powerful fighting force - but we have to be aware of the possibility.
And lets face it, there is significant anti-British sentiment in various quarters throughout Europe.

But let's not stray too far away from the fact that no amount of spin or propaganda can gloss over the FACT that there was no excuse whatsoever for Putin's invasion and all the death and destruction lies squarely at his feet.

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

WWI was "the gentleman's war" and the war to end all wars. Bit of a lol if there ever was one really, I'm fairly sure another one wouldn't force peace onto everyone considering how drastic the next one could be I'd say the aftermath would probably be worse in all honesty.

It all boils down to human nature, we're nasty because we can be. You typically only steal if you can get away with it or bully if you can get away with it... Extreme desperation and despair comes into it also which is why I feel it's important to say another world war really wouldn't fix things.

What is peace anyways? Not killing each other? Seems to me many carry past grievances in their hearts anyways, generational ones!

They can't forgive and forget but they could potentially forget to forgive and maybe just learn to accept and move on.

Fighting is primitive anyways it's why scientists do it best lol.