Russia has 'wired energy units' of Zaporizhzhia Nuclear plant with Explosives

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I am pretty sure that the Ukrainian government would do the same thing if they were in Russian territory. In fact, they probably have already done so if any nuclear power plants are in areas that the Russians are going to try to annex.

originally posted by: StratosFear

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: gortex

Just read a report that North Macedonia has donated the four MiG 25's they bought from Ukraine, back to Ukraine.

Some versions of the 25 (Mig25RB) were "nuclear capable". Can't find any info on the version being returned to Ukraine, but it is likely that Ukrainian pilots will be familiar with the aircraft...and its capabilities.

Fight (nuclear) fire with fire?


Desperate times sometimes lead to Desperate Measures.

The Mig-25 and its follow on variants were A2A interceptors, originally designed to go up against the XB-70 and SR-71/A-12s. Some experiments were probably conducted for a high speed penetration bomber version but the variants dont have the legs for that. Highly doubt there are any nuclear capable Mig-25s/35s flying today, there are better delivery options available should Russia choose to go nuclear.

You misunderstand.

Those MiGs are being returned to the Ukrainians, not the Russians.

Now, it is highly unlikely (but still within the realm of possibility) that Ukraine could have secreted a couple of nukes away from the inventory when the bulk of their arsenal was surrendered years ago. They would have had to quietly maintain those weapons (periodically topping off the tritium, for example), but that might have been easy enough to do with the aid of Ukraine's friendly neighbors.

The one thing Ukraine lacked, possibly until the arrival of those Macedonian 25's, was a delivery system.

a reply to: KTemplar

Almost everything you said you are upset about when it comes to how the US is handling Ukraine applies more to Russia/Putin than the US.

This part of my comment doesn't apply to you and it's just a general statement: I find it funny more people don't see that Russia is throwing every crap excuse for their actions in Ukraine against the wall to see what sticks. I hope this story isn't true and in the past I likely would of leaned to the side that it's not true but not anymore because of Russia's actions.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: KTemplar

Also, maybe if Ukraine didn’t have biolabs there this wouldn’t be a problem.

Lol you are just trolling now.... Every country has biolabs, go look at how many France has to include 4 level 4s that cost about a billion per to build. BTW their so called biolabs were older USSR ones that the US help them upgrade in support in what they would need like every other country does to a WOPPING 21 million over like 10 years.

Not every country has biolabs operated by another country, a world super that just so happens to be across the world on the border of another world super power.


France can have 10 000 bio labs for all I care it's their own country not even CLOSE to the same comparison. How about Russia sets up about 25 biolabs near the Mexican/US border let's see how cool THE US would be about it with Russia and Mexico

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

None of that has happened.

THATS EXACTLY WHATS HAPPENED.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

What utter tosh.

Everything I said is true and you know it thats why your only comeback is "what utter tosh" 😂

US training and arming Ukraine for years.

US Bio labs

Ukraine removing Russia as a 2nd language and creating tons of new laws targeting ethnic Russian Ukrainians

Odessa massacre. Nationlists beating and burning ethnic Russians to death.

UKRAINE ARMY bombing schools and residential areas in Donbas

Comment by Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on Ukraine’s continued shelling of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant

8 August 2022 16:32

Russia has long been calling on the international community, in various contexts and at various levels, to strongly condemn the Kiev regime’s incessant military strikes against the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP), while using increasingly destructive weapons systems. The power plant came under Ukrainian fire again on August 5 and 6. Thanks only to the skillful and prompt actions of the employees and of Russian forces, which ensure the comprehensive protection of the facility, was a major disaster avoided.

It is impossible to ignore the obvious: the situation is growing more dangerous by the hour. We regularly send updated information from the site to the IAEA, which is reflected in the Agency’s Information Circulars. These reports clearly expose the criminal actions of the Ukrainian armed forces, suggesting their command has finally lost any ability to think sensibly. Clearly, they have also lost their sense of basic self-preservation. After all, by aiming artillery at operating reactors and spent nuclear fuel storage facilities, the Ukrainians are targeting themselves.

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We noted the UN Secretary-General’s statement of August 8 that “any attack to a nuclear plant is a suicidal thing.” He emphatically expressed the hope that those attacks would end. In turn, the IAEA Director General also emphasised his concern about a missile attack on Europe's largest nuclear power plant, pointing out the real risk of a nuclear catastrophe that could endanger people and the environment in Ukraine and beyond. He condemned any acts of violence directed towards the plant or committed in its vicinity, as well as against its personnel.

There is no way the heads of international organisations can turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed by Kiev. The Ukrainian military’s actions must be sending chills down their spines. But one question remains: are these signals heard in Kiev, and is Vladimir Zelensky's regime interpreting them correctly? Time after time, the leaders of the UN and the IAEA fail to find the courage to openly name the source of the threat, revealing an unwillingness to point to the officials in Kiev. As a result, it sounds like those rockets and shells are just raining down on the Zaporozhye NPP and its employees’ heads, on Energodar, the city located in the immediate vicinity of the plant, out of the blue – when they are flying in from the areas controlled by the Ukrainian armed forces. It is perfectly clear who directs the hand that aims the weapon and pulls the trigger.
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originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Phantom423

originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: Kenzo


President Putin is not crying, and he’s not losing.

Oh, yes he is.

Oh, no he isn't

Putin has so far gained a territory half the size of the United Kingdom, let's say the whole of England to add to his Empire. Look I'm no Vlad fanboy I'm just stating the facts as they are on the ground right now

Not a Vlad fanboy but you'll happily repeat the line "special operation" take a breath then say look! Homeboy just took a landmass as big as England!

It's not like you haven't spat venom in regards to Western and specifically British history in the past, which I highly respect if it isn't a scrutiny given via a lense clouding your vision... But this whole Russia defending it's noble and beautiful sovereignty schtick is seemingly revealing in regards to where a lot of people were coming from.

I suspect places of hate. The awesome most humbling emotion. Thanks Vlad!

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

US training and arming Ukraine for years.

Training in what?

Plumbing?

Armed with what knifes and forks? Claims must be substantiated and the contents scrutinized so as to not be taken out of context. Russia supplies 3rd world nations with terrible human rights abuses with armaments too, not to say whataboutism just saying it's a half assed weak claim to say "omg they're training and arming them!" Without context in with what and in what.

US Bio labs

We've got members knowledgeable on this. Those ex Soviet labsor the civilian ones? I think it's wise to stick with the propaganda the Russian government pushes and it's dropped those lines because it clearly didn't have the intellectual capacity to deal with civilians of the West?

Or maybe it was just bluffing for the 50 zillionth time at the UN... Doors still forever open for Russian evidence although I don't think those two words can go together without a good old joke.

Ukraine removing Russia as a 2nd language and creating tons of new laws targeting ethnic Russian Ukrainians

Lovely point. So are you alluding to a cultural war? Would you like to mention what Russia is doing to minorities within it's own borders? Would you like to mention what Russia does for minorities not within it's own borders?

Odessa massacre. Nationlists beating and burning ethnic Russians to death.

Yep millions and millions of them as you mentioned earlier. Russians really should stop illegally sending people over the border. The death count is far too high when it's reach around 5000% of the population... What's it at now?

UKRAINE ARMY bombing schools and residential areas in Donbas

I can't read Cyrillic but it reads Russian to me... Funny how it wouldn't be happening of Russians weren't there. Funny how within 2 months Russian citizenship was being passed about.

I can't blame Freeborn for his choice of words, I struggled to not be a bit of a bellend in what I wrote (failed) but it's the levels of stupidity being faced.

Mainly the fact that you think we are #ing stupid. I wish I was, I wish a word of what you say makes sense.

a reply to: gortex
This screams of Putin's desperation to me, the sanctions must be biting hard now and the unexpected bravery and fight of the Ukrainian people to resist Mad Vlads boot is taking its tole on his position in Moscow.

originally posted by: PurpleFox
I still find it hilarious y’all still believe anything western media says. How many times have y’all been burned by their lies?

And I find it disturbing that people claiming that western media are lying, believe Russian state controlled media and Moscow propaganda.

originally posted by: just4fun
Ukraine is being absolutely crushed while all the aid and money we give them is going into the hands of dirty politicians.

You guys are not helping the people of Ukraine at all you are killing them.

Yeah sure.....
Thats why Kyiev fell in the first few months of Mad Vlads terrorist invasion, oh wait???

a reply to: gortex

It just screams desperation in spades gortex imho.

Putin or his ilk cannot admit defeat or lose gracefully.

Such is the case with people who display grandiose narcissism on that sort of level.

originally posted by: RAY1990

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Phantom423

originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: Kenzo


President Putin is not crying, and he’s not losing.

Oh, yes he is.

Oh, no he isn't

Putin has so far gained a territory half the size of the United Kingdom, let's say the whole of England to add to his Empire. Look I'm no Vlad fanboy I'm just stating the facts as they are on the ground right now

Not a Vlad fanboy but you'll happily repeat the line "special operation" take a breath then say look! Homeboy just took a landmass as big as England!

It's not like you haven't spat venom in regards to Western and specifically British history in the past, which I highly respect if it isn't a scrutiny given via a lense clouding your vision... But this whole Russia defending it's noble and beautiful sovereignty schtick is seemingly revealing in regards to where a lot of people were coming from.

I suspect places of hate. The awesome most humbling emotion. Thanks Vlad!

Ukraine is absolutely non of our business! British have no reason whatsoever to interfere in Russia's domain. A place that is totally important to them. It's neither British Commonwealth, ex Empire, NATO, EU, or even in our own back yard.

Non of our meddling government's business whatsoever. Just like the Crimean War in the 19thC wass totally non of our business.

OK Raymond............................. If somewhere British like the Falklands comes under attack I'm the first to state take out the Argie's. Indeed flatten Buenos Aires to the ground next time the hairy Spaniards try it. I'm no peacenik whatsoever when it comes to defending British interests around the globe. To me our government had every right to take back Zimbabwe when our business interests were threatened there. Shame we had total wimps in power. Yet to me part of our domain. Just like Ukraine is part of Russia's domain.

This is non of our business whatsoever and let the Slavics sort things out between themselves. Too much at stake to risk a nuclear war and for what? Trying to lever a land away from Moscow which long term will always at sometime be undermined by the Russian's as we can take away their current influence but we can never take away their geography

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Ukraine is absolutely non of our business! British have no reason whatsoever to interfere in Russia's domain.

But the Ukraine is not Russia's domain is it?
I agree that we shouldn't be sticking our noses in to other country's business but if people like Mad Vlad can invade countries willy-nilly with no consequence, war around the world would spread like wild fire. WW2 was a prime example of that. It was the British who were umongst some of the first countries to speak out about Hitler.
A free democatic country should speak out when another country's freedom or democracy is attacked.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Ukraine isn't our domain and I generally wouldn't give a damn past the human rights abuses.

End of the day nations play by rules. Russia is lying to the world and breaking rules. I don't know about your foresight but mine is screaming this only strengthens officialdom and weakens individualism and therefore rights.

Personally if I was in a room with someone who said we should nuke Buenos Aires and the nature was serious I think someone is liable to get a bullet in the head... Probably me lol. Please don't go comparing tempered and professional responses to what's happening in Ukraine.

I know history, I know the dirty taste of Imperialism. Wasn't that long ago we thrusted it on Ireland. Russia hasn't tried any cooperation with Ukraine but I'm all ears if you can enlighten me to an alternative to that.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Ukraine is absolutely non of our business! British have no reason whatsoever to interfere in Russia's domain.

But the Ukraine is not Russia's domain is it?

If that's a question then yes Ukraine is Russia's domain. 100% their business. Their back yard. Indeed their people and reflectively their religion. Their shared history. Their tied economic and energy system. Their brotherly love in normal times (when not hijacked by outside influences through a western acked coup and brainwashed) as part of a family.

Ukraine is historically Russia's jewel in their crown. They won't give up until it's back in their orbit.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: ufoorbhunter


I know history, I know the dirty taste of Imperialism. Wasn't that long ago we thrusted it on Ireland.

Great example using Ireland Ray

To this day Westminster maintains a colony in Ireland called Ulster. Our domain. Some might not agree to this part of the mostly de-colonised island remaining under Westminster's rule yet it does to this day.

Indeed the English, Scottish and Huguenots were literally planted overseas in that colony to secure it for our future in maintaining rule from Westminster which continues to this day.

So similar to the Russians planting their own through the FSU pre 1991 one would wonder if they learnt this from the Brits and has preserved Ukraine as part of their domain.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Phantom423

originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: Kenzo


President Putin is not crying, and he’s not losing.

Oh, yes he is.

Oh, no he isn't

Putin has so far gained a territory half the size of the United Kingdom, let's say the whole of England to add to his Empire. Look I'm no Vlad fanboy I'm just stating the facts as they are on the ground right now

None of that territory has been declared part of Russia. Russia is at war with the Ukraine. Ukraine is fighting back. Until Ukraine capitulates, which is unlikely, Russia has gained nothing.

a reply to: Phantom423

Russia is not at war with Ukraine. No war has been declared. Unless I missed the declaration! Could have happened I guess. From Russian reports this is nothing more than a 'Special Operation.'

I don't see how Putin could ever declare war when he and his circle don't consider Ukraine a country. How can one declare war against something that doesn't even exist? Impossible. Hence Special operation.

Russia certainly has gained land. by the last count the acreage under Russian military control is something like the size of England. No mean feat really. One can forget all legalities when it comes to this type of property ownership. all that matters is who has boots on the ground and in this area the size of England it's the Russian military