How many men have no clue

originally posted by: Quadrivium
I did not "invent a phrase".

You did, 'premeditated killing' of another human being is homicide in the first degree.

Was is the definition of your made up phrase?

originally posted by: Quadrivium
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

So abortion is lawful premeditated killing of another human being?

You're almost there, you can do it...

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

"Premeditated killing" would seem to be accurate. I don't know of many abortion procedures that are performed either by accident or in the heat of the moment, and the very definition of abortion is the ending of a human life-cycle.

Which of those words are you having trouble with?

Seems you wanted to equate a correct description with legaleeze. Law does not dictate scientific fact.

TheRedneck

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Slaves were people, embryos are not.

Why?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
Seems you wanted to equate a correct description with legaleeze. Law does not dictate scientific fact.

Premeditated murder is not legalese, it's codified law.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
Why?

This conversation again? Go back to the other thread were this was discussed in depth.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Quadrivium
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

So abortion is lawful premeditated killing of another human being?

You're almost there, you can do it...

You are slow.....
I have said this entire time.
1. Abortion is the premeditated killing of another human being (the very definition of murder minus the word unlawful).
2.Abortion is legal.

Why do you think the word 'unlawful' is in the definition of murder?? Would it mean the same if the word 'unlawful' was excluded?

I would say the same to you (you're almost there, you can do it) but we both know that would be a lie.
You are as lost as last year's Easter Egg.
You will defend the killing of another human being because you think they are less than human, which is 'scumbaggery' by your own "personal" definition.

Gus, what makes the act of killing morally wrong?
Is it the act of making a human unconscious that's wrong?
While not moral, it is not the worst part.

Maybe the it's the act of causing the loss of life?
Again, this is terrible but it is still not the worst you can do to another human.

So what is the worst part about killing another human?
It is the act of removing their ability, ALL of their ability. Removing any and all ability for anything they could or would have done.
To totally and irreversibly disable another human is the worst thing you could do to them, IMHO

a reply to: Quadrivium

So abortion is not murder then, is it?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Premeditated murder is not legalese, it's codified law.

"Premeditated murder" is a legal term, is it not? Otherwise known colloquially as "legaleeze." If it is codified into law, that would seem to indicate it is indeed a legal term.

But I thought we were talking about "premeditated killing"? Why did you change it to "premeditated murder"?

TheRedneck

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

This conversation again?

Yes, the other thread didn't yield an explanation from you.

It's a simple question: why is it that a slave is different from an unborn child, to the extent that a slave has rights and the unborn child does not?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Quadrivium

So abortion is not murder then, is it?

It took about 20 seconds for you to respond after I posted......sad.
I really wish you would at least attempt to read other peoples post. You may actually learn something but we both know you aren't interested in learning, only being right. Which you clearly are not and can't be as you are on the wrong side of the argument. Much like the slavers throughout history.

Abortion is the premeditated killing of another human being.

a reply to: Quadrivium

You are as lost as last year's Easter Egg.

Ewww... I found one of them once. Tasted terrible!


TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
"Premeditated murder" is a legal term, is it not? Otherwise known colloquially as "legaleeze."

Legalese is the disclaimer read at the end of a drug commercial, codified law is not legalese, it's the law.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
Yes, the other thread didn't yield an explanation from you.

Sure it di, maybe you should reread it.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
Abortion is the premeditated killing of another human being.

Yet not murder, why is that?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Legalese is the disclaimer read at the end of a drug commercial, codified law is not legalese, it's the law.

Just because you want to define a colloquial term one way, it does not follow that I have to as well. Legaleeze, as I used it, means any legal terminology. I do not restrict that definition to the words at the end of a drug commercial.

You still haven't answered the question: why did you change "premeditated killing" to "premeditated murder"?

TheRedneck

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

maybe you should reread it.

Maybe you should answer the question: why is a slave entitled to rights but an unborn child is not? What makes them different in that respect?

I won't confuse you by asking what if it were an unborn slave...

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
Just because you want to define a colloquial term one way, it does not follow that I have to as well.

NOUN
INFORMAL
the formal and technical language of legal documents that is often hard to understand:
"the typed pages were full of confusing legalese"

If you have a hard time understanding the definition of homicide that's on you.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
why is a slave entitled to rights but an unborn child is not? What makes them different in that respect?

The Constitution says one is a person and the other is not.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Quadrivium
Abortion is the premeditated killing of another human being.

Yet not murder, why is that?

Around and around we go....

Because, like killing slaves was at one point in history, abortion is legal.
Therefore, it is the premeditated killing of a human being.

In case you missed it the first two times:

The law provided that an enslaver's killing of an enslaved person could not constitute murder because the “premeditated malice” element of murder could not be formed against one’s own property.

calendar.eji.org...

In this instance, with your 'scumbaggery', you would use 'unborn' instead of 'enslaved'.