How many men have no clue

a reply to: TheRedneck

The conversation is why the 'premeditated killing' of an embryo in an abortion was not homicide.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

And I responded with why you are wrong. 38 states say the premeditated killing of an unborn child is homicide... or as you like to put it, murder.

Somehow, who one is (mother, physician) appears to be a defense to that. I thought justice was supposed to be blind?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
And I responded with why you are wrong. 38 states say the premeditated killing of an unborn child is homicide... or as you like to put it, murder.

During an abortion? I think not.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Except a slave is a person and an embryo is an embryo.

Both ARE human beings.
Does the definition of 'murder' say the unlawful premeditated killing of one person by another?
Nope, it says 'human being'.
Except abortion (like killing slaves at one point in history) is legal so, we have to say it is the premeditated killing of another human being.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

During an abortion? I think not.

Are you saying abortion is legal in all 50 states?

TheRedneck

Pro-lifers are going to lose this battle. Too many women want the choice.

Individual states may outlaw abortion, but there will always be alternatives.

No wonder Europe thinks we're backwards.

Think of this when you don't consider abortion murder.

You say abortion isn't murder because you are not killing a human being because it is still a seed in the womb, unborn as in not brought into this world yet out of a woman.

There was intercourse, what needs to be done to procreate, the intention was there, although people might be unaware of what they are doing when having intercourse. The spark to a life occured, life starts in the woman, it is a living thing.

When you say, because of my previous reason mentioned, you aren't killing a full grown human being, you are ending a lifecycle.

The beginning of a lifecycle occured so in fact you are terminating this lifecycle. You say you did not destroy a human because the human is still a seed (which I myself don't agree with), but you destroyed a life.

Perhaps you need to talk to a couple who had an early miscarriage what it means to have your embryo removed.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
Both ARE human beings.
Does the definition of 'murder' say the unlawful premeditated killing of one person by another?
Nope, it says 'human being'.

Then why isn't aborting a fetus murder?

originally posted by: TheRedneck
Are you saying abortion is legal in all 50 states?

As best I can tell it still is, it's just limited, unless I missed a full ban passing in one of the trigger laws.

And even if I did miss one my question to him was why is it not homicide in the states that limited but not banned it.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Quadrivium
Both ARE human beings.
Does the definition of 'murder' say the unlawful premeditated killing of one person by another?
Nope, it says 'human being'.

Then why isn't aborting a fetus murder?

Look at the part of the post you clipped off........

Does the definition of 'murder' say the unlawful premeditated killing of one person by another?
Nope, it says 'human being'.
Except abortion (like killing slaves at one point in history) is legal so, we have to say it is the premeditated killing of another human being.

a reply to: Quadrivium

You're trying to butter your bread on both sides, either abortion is premeditated murder or it isn't.

Hint: It isn't.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
Using your definition:
It is "scumbaggery". No difference in the mindset then and the one you have now.
They are exactly the same.
Like you, they defended the killing of human beings based on the thought those humans were 'less than' on property.

a reply to: Quadrivium

My definition is a personal one, why is it legally not homicide?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Quadrivium

My definition is a personal one, why is it legally not homicide?

Because of your and others 'scumbaggery'.
No difference in the thought process, just a different group of humans.

The law provided that an enslaver's killing of an enslaved person could not constitute murder because the “premeditated malice” element of murder could not be formed against one’s own property.

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Change enslaver to Mother and enslaved to unborn. Scumbaggery.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

my question to him was why is it not homicide in the states that limited but not banned it

I don't remember him using the word "homicide." Did I miss it?

I recall him saying abortion is the intentional ending of a human life... which it is, by definition.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
I don't remember him using the word "homicide." Did I miss it?

His invented phrase, 'premeditated killing' of a human being, is synonymous with homicide.

a reply to: Quadrivium

Slaves were people, embryos are not.

You keep dancing around the answer, not surprised.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TheRedneck
I don't remember him using the word "homicide." Did I miss it?

His invented phrase, 'premeditated killing' of a human being, is synonymous with homicide.

I did not "invent a phrase". I gave you the definition of murder without the word 'unlawful' because abortion is legal.

mur·der
/ˈmərdər/
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Quadrivium

Slaves were people, embryos are not.

You keep dancing around the answer, not surprised.

I am not dancing, you just suck at reading comprehension.

Again:
mur·der
/ˈmərdər/
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

Were is the word person mentioned, did I miss it?