What a terrible day - 21 dead most are children

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

We've had guns for a very long time, the school shootings are new.

Define 'new'?

First recorded U.S school related shooting was July 26, 1764, of course it was a different time and it was some native Americans doing the shooting.

Been plenty since then too.

But let's go to more recent history. We'll even skip the 1940's, 50, 60 and 70's.

January 20, 1983 St. Louis County, Missouri the Parkway South Middle School, eighth grader brought a blue duffel bag containing two pistols, and a murder/suicide note that outlined his intention to kill the next person heard speaking ill of his older brother Ken. He entered a study hall classroom and opened fire, hitting two fellow students. The first victim, was fatally shot in the stomach, and the second victim received a non-fatal gunshot wound to the abdomen. Then he said, "no one will ever call my brother a pussy again" then committed suicide.

When that happened I was 8 years old. I'm 47 now. So that was almost 4/5th's of my life ago.

Columbine was when? 1999? 23 years ago. Half a life time for me basically.

There were plenty of school shootings before then and since then.
And that is JUST school shootings.
Doesn't count the other major shootings that happen regularly throughout U.S history.

When does it stop being 'new' and when does it start getting old?

When do ya'll get so sick and tired of it you actually start doing something else about it than the same old same old.

Couple more hundred years maybe?

I stand by my original comment. Just going to get the same old BS excuses from everyone and nothing else. And around and around and around we go.

And to the other person who said Australia is different to the U.S you're right. We're smaller population so things aren't on the same scale as you for sure, but we're more alike than you think, socially speaking. Of course the more people you have the more everything you have. But it scales.

We ourselves were getting more and more of these types of shootings. Queen St, Hoddle St, Port Arthur.

The thing that is actually different between our two countries that no one ever points out? We actually did something about the problem while it was 'new'.

Still not been invaded by a foreign nation or put into camps by our government as a result either, imagine that.

ETA: List of how 'new' School Shootings in the United States are

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

We banned guns for the most part in Scotland after the Dunblane atrocity that beast Thomas Hamilton committed and we have not had any school shootings since to my knowledge.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

We banned guns for the most part in Scotland after the Dunblane atrocity that beast Thomas Hamilton committed and we have not had any school shootings since to my knowledge.

It's almost like restricting certain firearms and who can own them and then enforcing the laws actually works hey?

But good luck getting the average gun loving yank to understand that. They'll always be right and anyone not American will always be wrong.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

We banned guns for the most part in Scotland after the Dunblane atrocity that beast Thomas Hamilton committed and we have not had any school shootings since to my knowledge.

Scotland is an island nation of 5 million vs the USA with a population 350 million with two large boarders where drug trafficking/ human trafficking/ weapon trafficking is a problem. With drug cartels running wild between Mexico and the USA.

I live in a city with very unrestricted gun laws and we have had no mass shootings I know of.

Funny the USA turns a blind eye to gang and cartel violence…..

a reply to: iwanttobelieve70



I disagree with a good deal of that post, but I understand the reasons for it.




This however, needs repeating and expanding upon:

"We are raising crazy lazy cowards"

One thing that's well understood in a wide variety of professions, is that school shooters are nearly always the most cowardly kids (and adults) most of us would ever meet, 'afraid of their own shadow' types.

It's this very reason that they are so attracted to those stoopid gun free school zones where they know for a fact in advance that nobody will be shooting back.

I'm not so sure that we are actually raising more cowardly kids lately, though there sure are a few indications of this, but am convinced that those gun free zones are the reason for the sudden and sustained increase in cowards shooting up schools.



Pro Hint: When was the last time you saw a football player, wrestler, ROTC, gang banger, or kid with a violent record shooting up a school?

Or even a kid with an average confidence level?

Has it ever happened?

These are the most cowardly among us, those shooters, and they choose schools precisely because some idiots made it a sure thing that nobody will be shooting back, in an effort to win an election.

Put up the same insane signs at shopping malls, political offices or hospitals, advertise the insanity just like it was for schools, and watch what happens next.

You already know what happens next, the only question is whether you'll admit it.

Your choice.

('Your' meaning everyone reading this, not the user I responded to)

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

It's almost like restricting certain firearms and who can own them and then enforcing the laws actually works hey?

It's not even rocket science, if you restrict and prohibit access to guns where kids and crackpots are concerned, they won't kill as many people or be able to shoot up the place because they take the huff or cannot handle their candle.

Like a few peeps have posted here all the same America has laws in place to retard these types of people from possessing or owning guns, but they simply don't work, are not enforced, or can be circumvented via other means.

Something has to be done and something has to change, can't ignore what's happening forever nor sweep it under the carpet any longer because its just going to keep on happening until the problems are realistically addressed and dealt with.

originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

We banned guns for the most part in Scotland after the Dunblane atrocity that beast Thomas Hamilton committed and we have not had any school shootings since to my knowledge.

It's almost like restricting certain firearms and who can own them and then enforcing the laws actually works hey?

But good luck getting the average gun loving yank to understand that. They'll always be right and anyone not American will always be wrong.

If you take the miss use of suicide out of the gun death statistics. Japan shows means of suicide is not the same as desire / suicide rate. More people die in the USA by automobile accidents that require a license to operate than murdered by firearms. More kids under the age of 10 die from automobile accidents than by firearm. The statistics changes for teenagers as more join gangs and because of the USA and it’s sick fascination with gangs and mobs. And drugs.

It’s about saving children at any cost, rate…..

a reply to: neutronflux

Still not had any school shootings since we banned guns for the most part.

And the government is not lining up anyone against the wall and shooting them or taking away their freedom.

You don't think we have issues with drug trafficking, human trafficking, or illegal weapons? LoL

We do im afraid.

And we are supposedly a first-world nation just like yourself, so there is that, population size be darned.

The USA turns a blind eye to the drug war is what you mean, because well supply and demand 101.

Never take away organized crime, because its part and parcel where politics are concerned and engrained into both our respective societies.

a reply to: andy06shake

If you live in an island nation vs a nation with large boarders and population 6 to 70 times larger….. with gang / human trafficking/ drug trafficking problems.

a reply to: andy06shake


We aren't ever going to give up our guns, British redcoats made sure of that long ago.

Every politician insisting on this is just trying to get elected by playing on emotions. No exceptions. Every single one of them knows that's not ever going to be possible.

Something certainly needs to be done of course, and that starts with undoing what a political party did to our schools, and then enforcing existing gun laws again, because most of those restrictions you proposed are already law, but laws are worthless if prosecutors and politicians simply ignore them in an effort to get reelected.

a reply to: neutronflux

If what?

We still have multitudes of concerns and problems to address.

Its just that school shootings are not one of them any longer.

And the reason seemingly being we restrict the ability of people to own guns.

a reply to: Tropics

Instead of mass shootings you have arsons, stabbings and vehicle attacks. Oh, and you have some shooting too. It's not the weapons used that are the problem, it's the people.

en.wikipedia.org...

The US has a population of 350 million compared to Australia's 26 million, so we are 13X your population. Take any of those massacres and multiply their deaths and casualties by 13, that would be what you would need to compare against American events.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

We aren't ever going to give up our guns, British redcoats made sure of that long ago.

Yes the world has spun since such times, no ""British redcoats"" under the bed any longer or coming to get you, your not daft PatriotGames4u, so i think you know that.

Every politician insisting on this is just trying to get elected by playing on emotions. No exceptions. Every single one of them knows that's not ever going to be possible.

I would be more concerned about the safety of your kids never mind politics if im honest.

Something certainly needs to be done of course, and that starts with undoing what a political party did to our schools, and then enforcing existing gun laws again, because most of those restrictions you proposed are already law, but laws are worthless if prosecutors and politicians simply ignore them in an effort to get reelected.

I agree something needs to be done indeed.

Might be nice to get that something done rather soon before next weeks mass shooting, but chance would be a fine thing.

a reply to: andy06shake

Still not had any school shootings since we banned guns for the most part.

And you probably have a better mental health system and not a culture obsessed with drugs and violence.

And the government is not lining up anyone against the wall and shooting them or taking away their freedom.

Shrugs. We all had freedoms taken during covid and forced into lockdowns. My state was less effected because the lockdowns were not as authoritarian as say California. And the extreme of China. My states dedication to protecting the 2nd amendment also reflects protecting civil liberties. And my state does have red flag laws concerning gun violence

You don't think we have issues with drug trafficking, human trafficking, or illegal weapons? LoL

By all means show the stats that your even in the same magnitude as the USA. And the spill over from the drug cartels at the southern boarder.

The USA turns a blind eye to the drug war is what you mean, because well supply and demand 101

Funny the peace loving woke people buy drugs that fuel the violence of the cartels and market the violence of the rap community. Where I wish the USA would get serous about violence and mental health.


Your also ignoring it’s hard to impossible in the USA to commit people in the USA to mental health treatment until they commit a crime and are actually sentenced in some way of a crime. Which is even getting harder as judges are under pressure to reduce bail by BML and defund the police movement.


Lots of issues you cherry pick

a reply to: Teikiatsu

multiply shooters. if we had 350 million people and our pre-96 gun laws we'd no doubt have more shooters and shootings.

1 American shooting 20-30 people is the same as 1 Australian shooting 20-30 people.

Feel like you're using math to get the outcome you want there.

and again, getting the expected responses. All the usual excuses. Oh well 7+ billion people on the planet.

So hey, what's 20-30 kids a week or every couple of days in the grand scheme of things when it means million more happy because they can keep that military grade arsenal in their basement.

Yep. they're just a drop in the ocean in a society 350 million strong. Continue on with business as usual 'Murica. Nothing to see here.

a reply to: andy06shake

The USA does have a history of politicians making crappy laws and decisions that create a crisis that then gives them mandates from the population to allow them to legislate and limit civil liberties.

What better job security than create crisis after crisis and dupe people into thinking the political elites that created the problem are the only one’s that can save them.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Stabbing 22 people to death is rather different than shooting them, for a start it would take a while.

As to the arson stabbings and vehicle attacks, well crazy people should not have access to vehicles or flammable substances nether.

The US has a population of 350 million compared to Australia's 26 million, so we are 13X your population. Take any of those massacres and multiply their deaths and casualties by 13, that would be what you would need to compare against American events.

A load of people to contend with ile give you that but apparently, the American public owns at least 265 million firearms(conservative estimation), which gives Americans the highest rate per capita firearm ownership in the world.

Is it any wonder kids and nutters have access to these weapons?

Because thats a problem, and one that realistically should have been addressed quite some time ago far as i can establish.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

Sounds like you are describing the kind of people that probably should not have access to military-grade hardware and weapons all the same considering the type of horrendous acts of depravity they perpetrate.

That wee dude apparently walked into a shop on his 18th birthday and bought two rifles.

That’s stupid. Anyone that says that is stupid. Treat the problem not the symptoms. Do what I said and you could sell guns out of vending machines. We have a constitution to stop crazy people like you.

Kids need a mom and dad in the home. Incentivize two parents not one, get jobs and play sports. Problem solved no need for idiots to screw with the construction.

originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

We've had guns for a very long time, the school shootings are new.

Define 'new'?

First recorded U.S school related shooting was July 26, 1764, of course it was a different time and it was some native Americans doing the shooting.

Been plenty since then too.

But let's go to more recent history. We'll even skip the 1940's, 50, 60 and 70's.

January 20, 1983 St. Louis County, Missouri the Parkway South Middle School, eighth grader brought a blue duffel bag containing two pistols, and a murder/suicide note that outlined his intention to kill the next person heard speaking ill of his older brother Ken. He entered a study hall classroom and opened fire, hitting two fellow students. The first victim, was fatally shot in the stomach, and the second victim received a non-fatal gunshot wound to the abdomen. Then he said, "no one will ever call my brother a pussy again" then committed suicide.

When that happened I was 8 years old. I'm 47 now. So that was almost 4/5th's of my life ago.

Columbine was when? 1999? 23 years ago. Half a life time for me basically.

There were plenty of school shootings before then and since then.
And that is JUST school shootings.
Doesn't count the other major shootings that happen regularly throughout U.S history.

When does it stop being 'new' and when does it start getting old?

When do ya'll get so sick and tired of it you actually start doing something else about it than the same old same old.

Couple more hundred years maybe?

I stand by my original comment. Just going to get the same old BS excuses from everyone and nothing else. And around and around and around we go.

And to the other person who said Australia is different to the U.S you're right. We're smaller population so things aren't on the same scale as you for sure, but we're more alike than you think, socially speaking. Of course the more people you have the more everything you have. But it scales.

We ourselves were getting more and more of these types of shootings. Queen St, Hoddle St, Port Arthur.

The thing that is actually different between our two countries that no one ever points out? We actually did something about the problem while it was 'new'.

Still not been invaded by a foreign nation or put into camps by our government as a result either, imagine that.

ETA: List of how 'new' School Shootings in the United States are

No self respecting American should take advice from communist and socialist. Go back to locking down your country and locking people up for posting on Facebook. Have fun with your concentration camps nazis.

a reply to: andy06shake

I’ll come out and post it.

If you don’t think the liberal political elite in the USA aren’t salivating over China’s social credit system and the authoritative power shown by China during covid. And don’t understand how gun control is part of gaining that desired authoritarian power. Your an idiot.