Doctor shows figures about the consequences of the corona vaccine.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Itisnowagain

So it is a 'provisional approval' then.... yep thought so.

Oh, no, quite the opposite. Our provisional approval is almost identical to our full approval because our standards are so strict.

Your vaccines are not 'fully approved'......so stop spreading misinformation.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

You clearly don't seem to understand what's happening here.

Our system is different from yours, our provisional approval isn't the same as your provisional approval. Our provisional approval is only slightly different from our full approval so any vax that gains provisional approval is a shoe-in for the full approval which is really just a matter of getting jumping through some regulatory hoops.

The fact remains, and is undeniable as it's been officially announced by the appropriate groups, that we have granted several different vaxes full approval. Denying this is to deny objective reality. It's like denying that Texas is a state on the grounds that you live in Canada and don't have a Texas of your own that is also a state.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: jerich0
a reply to: ScepticScot

So, they died of natural causes? Being imuno compromised? I'll take no for $500, alex.

Healthy adults have also succumbed in recent months. Not obese, not imuno compromised, just flat out heart attack. But I guess that too, is fudging the numbers, as heart attacks happen all the time.

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

Are kids with life threatening conditions more likely to die than kids without? You think the answer to that is no???

No. My answer is not to inject them with a very well regarded toxic, akin to the virus itself. You know, the one that is mimicking the actual adverse immune unleashing of the virus itself. If you had a 6 year old who could die of the yearly flu, would you inflict the adverse effect of the flu on them, and then wait and see?

And this madness that is the vaccine has untold potential for worse, yet you claim it's a good thing.... I'm not playing this game, I'm watching it unfold, as all your pawns are taken.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Our provisional approval is only slightly different from our full approval......

Slightly different, nearly identical....... 'provisional' is still not 'fully'.

It is a rolling review authorization.

Why don't you post a link to prove me wrong?

a reply to: Sander1976

You talk about censorship, and then tell me not to reply?

As I said, I'm not stopping you from speaking, I'm giving you your chance to speak and then providing clear evidence that what you're saying is wrong so that other people can do their own research and educate themselves.

As in my previous example, the original source uses cherrypicked data that leaves out important contextual information. For example it talks about vaxxed children dying at a higher rate without mentioning that the age group specified is not routinely vaxxed in that specific country. Only children with comorbidity, or are in close proximity to high risk individuals are normally, vaxxed, and even then its entirely options.

This means that a high proportion of those who are vaxxed are considered to be at high risk. While those who are unvaxxed are considered to be at little or no risk.

Therefore they're not dying at a higher rate "because" of the vax, they're dying at a higher rate because they have a greater risk of serious sickness to begin with.

It's like saying that children who live in homes with guns are at greater risk of dying, without mentioning that you're survey only includes children living in crack houses.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Provisional : arranged or existing for the present, possibly to be changed later.

NOT FULLY APPROVED.

In other words, they might just take it all back and say "Sorry, we effed up." but we both know that won't happen. So not fully approved by any means. it's like they have a secret, but they won't tell you.. it's a 'just in case' scenario.

I won't play with words, when my health depends on it.. You do you, though.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Our provisional approval is only slightly different from our full approval......

Slightly different, nearly identical.......is still not 'fully'.

It is a rolling review authorization.

Why don't you post a link to prove me wrong?

I'm not sure what you're not understanding.

As far as the vax is concerned, we have two types of authorization. Provisional and full.

Our provisional authorization is very strict, so once a vax has gained provisional authorization it's really just a matter of jumping through a few additional hoops in order for it to gain full authorization.

The vax gained provisional authorization in 2020, and full authorization in 2021. We were able to do this because we have a streamlined system that eliminates some of the duplication inherent in other systems by having private companies running trials in tandem with the regulatory process rather than serial to them.

We do have a process that's "functionally similar" to the EU rolling review authorization process Link, but which differs in some crucial ways as our regulatory structure is different. We have fewer bodies that need to be involved, so there is less duplication. So, for example, a long term study can be done in a shorter period of time because more of that time is used doing things, and not just waiting around doing nothing.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Post a link to your 'fully approved' vaccine info......back up your claim.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

It's on the website of our regulator.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Itisnowagain

It's on the website of our regulator.

So you won't provide a link to back up your claims?

Says it all really.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Post a link to your 'fully approved' vaccine info......back up your claim.

A swarm of crickets will appear.


There is no FULL APPROVAL..

originally posted by: jerich0
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Provisional : arranged or existing for the present, possibly to be changed later.

But ... that's normal. Any fully approved thing can have its approval withdrawn if new facts come to light. That's actually one on the reasons why there is a regulatory body to begin with.

they might just take it all back and say "Sorry, we effed up." but we both know that won't happen.

We're a socialist country, so it's actually the other way around. The consequences of them covering something up would be worse than admitting to it quickly because the longer that they covered things up the more that they'd have to pay to put them right.

Our government is automatically on the hook for all long term costs, if they cover up thousands of people being made sick by the vax they still have to pay for their care whether or not the admit to what the cause is. So it's in their interests to take any dangerous product off of the market ASAP because the long term cost would be worse than simply admitting to a mistake and paying out compensation.

a reply to: LastFirst

Again, maybe not where you live, but we approved it last year.

I don't see why you find this difficult to understand, I'm not American. We don't need to wait for FDA approval, We can approve things independently. This isn't a partisan issue here, we don't have a bunch of liberals deliberately delaying things to make Trump look bad.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Again, maybe not where you live, but we approved it last year.

Post a link then.

I can then read it.....and see if the approval is 'provisionally approved' or 'fully approved'.

a reply to: AaarghZombies
Where does your government get money from?
Do they grow it on trees where you are?

Who really pays if the government screws up?

If you consented to receive a treatment that has not received 'full approval'....then no compensation maybe? I don't know what it's like where you are.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: jerich0
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Provisional : arranged or existing for the present, possibly to be changed later.

But ... that's normal. Any fully approved thing can have its approval withdrawn if new facts come to light. That's actually one on the reasons why there is a regulatory body to begin with.

they might just take it all back and say "Sorry, we effed up." but we both know that won't happen.

We're a socialist country, so it's actually the other way around. The consequences of them covering something up would be worse than admitting to it quickly because the longer that they covered things up the more that they'd have to pay to put them right.

Our government is automatically on the hook for all long term costs, if they cover up thousands of people being made sick by the vax they still have to pay for their care whether or not the admit to what the cause is. So it's in their interests to take any dangerous product off of the market ASAP because the long term cost would be worse than simply admitting to a mistake and paying out compensation.

Did you just confirm you're a NAZI?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Again, maybe not where you live, but we approved it last year.

Post a link then.

I can then read it.....and see if the approval is 'provisionally approved' or 'fully approved'.

Oh no, it's on the one asking to provide links... not a tinker teller...

a reply to: jerich0

You might want to check the meaning of that word. It's not just an insult that people throw around online, the Nazi are an actual historical group.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

It's fully approved, it sys so on the website belonging to the agency who approves it.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Itisnowagain

It's fully approved, it sys so on the website belonging to the agency who approves it.

Show me the proof by linking the website belonging to the agency then..... don't be shy.