Doctor shows figures about the consequences of the corona vaccine.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: tanstaafl
Yes it means they died.

It doesn't mean the vaccine killed them.

But it could have, and in many cases, likely did.

But again, by all means, continue to deflect and ignore reality.

Over time many of those entries will be deleted or updated. Mostly to remove the vax as a potential cause.

Actually, no. The vast majority of them are legitimate and entered by doctors. This is a straight up lie.

Doesn't mean that the death was caused by the vaccine. Health care professionals are required to report deaths after vacination regardless if they suspect there was any relation to the vaccine.

Actually, no they are not. Most don't know what VAERs is or how to enter it. It's drastically underreported just like the CDC funded study showed.

Also it provides a safety signal. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate to show there is a signal.

It turns out it shows a massive spike that's off the charts compared to the last 30 years.

openvaers.com...

It isn't a question if accuracy its s question of what VAERs tells you, which isn't that people died from tje vaccine.

Massive spike during a pandemic with the largest most publicised vaccination program in history

If there wasn't a spike that would be note worthy

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: tanstaafl
Yes it means they died.

It doesn't mean the vaccine killed them.

But it could have, and in many cases, likely did.

But again, by all means, continue to deflect and ignore reality.

Over time many of those entries will be deleted or updated. Mostly to remove the vax as a potential cause.

Actually, no. The vast majority of them are legitimate and entered by doctors. This is a straight up lie.

Doesn't mean that the death was caused by the vaccine. Health care professionals are required to report deaths after vacination regardless if they suspect there was any relation to the vaccine.

Actually, no they are not. Most don't know what VAERs is or how to enter it. It's drastically underreported just like the CDC funded study showed.

Also it provides a safety signal. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate to show there is a signal.

It turns out it shows a massive spike that's off the charts compared to the last 30 years.

openvaers.com...

It isn't a question if accuracy its s question of what VAERs tells you, which isn't that people died from tje vaccine.

Massive spike during a pandemic with the largest most publicised vaccination program in history

If there wasn't a spike that would be note worthy

Actually no, when a new drug reaches 50 deaths its gets pulled from the market. Since VAERs is drastically underreported, the massive number is minuscule amount of the actual adverse effects. Multiple people have come up with an under reporting factor of 40, meaning at least 400 thousand deaths in the US from the vaccine alone.

The CDC remains anything it doesn't feel is "legit" which it has done already.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: tanstaafl
Yes it means they died.

It doesn't mean the vaccine killed them.

But it could have, and in many cases, likely did.

But again, by all means, continue to deflect and ignore reality.

Over time many of those entries will be deleted or updated. Mostly to remove the vax as a potential cause.

Actually, no. The vast majority of them are legitimate and entered by doctors. This is a straight up lie.

Doesn't mean that the death was caused by the vaccine. Health care professionals are required to report deaths after vacination regardless if they suspect there was any relation to the vaccine.

Actually, no they are not. Most don't know what VAERs is or how to enter it. It's drastically underreported just like the CDC funded study showed.

Also it provides a safety signal. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate to show there is a signal.

It turns out it shows a massive spike that's off the charts compared to the last 30 years.

openvaers.com...

It isn't a question if accuracy its s question of what VAERs tells you, which isn't that people died from tje vaccine.

Massive spike during a pandemic with the largest most publicised vaccination program in history

If there wasn't a spike that would be note worthy

Actually no, when a new drug reaches 50 deaths its gets pulled from the market. Since VAERs is drastically underreported, the massive number is minuscule amount of the actual adverse effects. Multiple people have come up with an under reporting factor of 40, meaning at least 400 thousand deaths in the US from the vaccine alone.

The CDC remains anything it doesn't feel is "legit" which it has done already.

Please provide evidence that VAERs is underreporting deaths after vaccine by a factor of 40?

Deaths recorded on VAERs does not mean they died as a result of vaccination.

The CDC specifically states you can not use VAERs data in the way you and other posters are attempting.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: tanstaafl
Yes it means they died.

It doesn't mean the vaccine killed them.

But it could have, and in many cases, likely did.

But again, by all means, continue to deflect and ignore reality.

Over time many of those entries will be deleted or updated. Mostly to remove the vax as a potential cause.

Actually, no. The vast majority of them are legitimate and entered by doctors. This is a straight up lie.

Doesn't mean that the death was caused by the vaccine. Health care professionals are required to report deaths after vacination regardless if they suspect there was any relation to the vaccine.

Actually, no they are not. Most don't know what VAERs is or how to enter it. It's drastically underreported just like the CDC funded study showed.

Also it provides a safety signal. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate to show there is a signal.

It turns out it shows a massive spike that's off the charts compared to the last 30 years.

openvaers.com...

It isn't a question if accuracy its s question of what VAERs tells you, which isn't that people died from tje vaccine.

Massive spike during a pandemic with the largest most publicised vaccination program in history

If there wasn't a spike that would be note worthy

Actually no, when a new drug reaches 50 deaths its gets pulled from the market. Since VAERs is drastically underreported, the massive number is minuscule amount of the actual adverse effects. Multiple people have come up with an under reporting factor of 40, meaning at least 400 thousand deaths in the US from the vaccine alone.

The CDC remains anything it doesn't feel is "legit" which it has done already.

Please provide evidence that VAERs is underreporting deaths after vaccine by a factor of 40?

Deaths recorded on VAERs does not mean they died as a result of vaccination.

The CDC specifically states you can not use VAERs data in the way you and other posters are attempting.

The CDC is a captured by big pharma. That's your first mistake in trusting what they say.

The exact number of deaths is irrelevant, it's a signal, and the majority are real. Steve Kirsch and multiple other data scientists independently came up with a URF of about 40. The CDC funded harvard pilgrim study showed they were underreported by 99%. That was way before covid.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: tanstaafl
Yes it means they died.

It doesn't mean the vaccine killed them.

But it could have, and in many cases, likely did.

But again, by all means, continue to deflect and ignore reality.

Over time many of those entries will be deleted or updated. Mostly to remove the vax as a potential cause.

Actually, no. The vast majority of them are legitimate and entered by doctors. This is a straight up lie.

Doesn't mean that the death was caused by the vaccine. Health care professionals are required to report deaths after vacination regardless if they suspect there was any relation to the vaccine.

Actually, no they are not. Most don't know what VAERs is or how to enter it. It's drastically underreported just like the CDC funded study showed.

Also it provides a safety signal. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate to show there is a signal.

It turns out it shows a massive spike that's off the charts compared to the last 30 years.

openvaers.com...

It isn't a question if accuracy its s question of what VAERs tells you, which isn't that people died from tje vaccine.

Massive spike during a pandemic with the largest most publicised vaccination program in history

If there wasn't a spike that would be note worthy

Actually no, when a new drug reaches 50 deaths its gets pulled from the market. Since VAERs is drastically underreported, the massive number is minuscule amount of the actual adverse effects. Multiple people have come up with an under reporting factor of 40, meaning at least 400 thousand deaths in the US from the vaccine alone.

The CDC remains anything it doesn't feel is "legit" which it has done already.

Please provide evidence that VAERs is underreporting deaths after vaccine by a factor of 40?

Deaths recorded on VAERs does not mean they died as a result of vaccination.

The CDC specifically states you can not use VAERs data in the way you and other posters are attempting.

The CDC is a captured by big pharma. That's your first mistake in trusting what they say.

The exact number of deaths is irrelevant, it's a signal, and the majority are real. Steve Kirsch and multiple other data scientists independently came up with a URF of about 40. The CDC funded harvard pilgrim study showed they were underreported by 99%. That was way before covid.

Please provide provide link to support your claim of factor of 40.

VAERs is CDC data, believing it when you think (wrongly) it tells you there are lot of vaccine deaths but disregarding what it tells you about the data sounds a lot like confirmation bias.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: tanstaafl
Likely did based on what? Your own personal belief?

Logic and reason?

Are you seriously suggesting that NONE of them are legit?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: tanstaafl
VAERS is simply a reporting tool, it offers a place to start looking for potential problems, rather than giving you a reliable account of actual problems.

Just because something has been reported there doesn't mean that it has been confirmed.

Over time many of those entries will be deleted or updated. Mostly to remove the vax as a potential cause.

Yes yes yes, as I have readily admitted...

You obviously didn't bother reading anything before jumping in - as usual.

I repeat - when you factor in the reality that the real, actual number of real, actual adverse events is without a doubt many times higher than the number of reports that actually make it into VAERS, even being extremely generous and allowing for as much as half the reports to be wrong, it is still far more than are in there now, and that for the COVID jabs, these are far, far more in just the first year of reports, than all of the adverse events for all vaccines combined, over the last 30 years since VAERS was constituted?

Sounds like you want to challenge Scepticscot and his ongoing lead role in the clown show...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: tanstaafl
Likely did based on what? Your own personal belief?

Logic and reason?

Are you seriously suggesting that NONE of them are legit?

Pretty sure I have already covered this, it's not a question of accuracy or being 'legit'.

It's what they are actually recording, that someone had died (or whatever condition). Not that it was caused by the vaccine. That would require further analysis outwith the scope of VAERs data.

You can record deaths after any activity you choose, it doesn't mean that event is responsible for the deaths. You need to compare the rates if deaths between comparable populations.

Doesn't that seem logical and reasonable?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: tanstaafl
VAERS is simply a reporting tool, it offers a place to start looking for potential problems, rather than giving you a reliable account of actual problems.

Just because something has been reported there doesn't mean that it has been confirmed.

Over time many of those entries will be deleted or updated. Mostly to remove the vax as a potential cause.

Yes yes yes, as I have readily admitted...

You obviously didn't bother reading anything before jumping in - as usual.

I repeat - when you factor in the reality that the real, actual number of real, actual adverse events is without a doubt many times higher than the number of reports that actually make it into VAERS, even being extremely generous and allowing for as much as half the reports to be wrong, it is still far more than are in there now, and that for the COVID jabs, these are far, far more in just the first year of reports, than all of the adverse events for all vaccines combined, over the last 30 years since VAERS was constituted?

Sounds like you want to challenge Scepticscot and his ongoing lead role in the clown show...

It's isn't a question of course being wrong or not so you randomly picking a number like half doesn't actually mean anything.

Try understanding this simple point. VAERs is not a record of vaccine caused deaths and using it as such is the clown like behaviour.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I too have seen several articles regarding the factor of 40 regarding underreporting in VAERS. Many months ago I read those persuasive articles.

You come across as being quite UNinformed in such matters. That you are unaware of these things does not mean they don't exist or have not been calculated. All it means is that you are misinformed.

When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts. I guess that applies to subjects in the UK too...

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: ScepticScot

I too have seen several articles regarding the factor of 40 regarding underreporting in VAERS. Many months ago I read those persuasive articles.

You come across as being quite UNinformed in such matters. That you are unaware of these things does not mean they don't exist or have not been calculated. All it means is that you are misinformed.

When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts. I guess that applies to subjects in the UK too...

If evidence that VAERs undercounts deaths by a factor of 40 exists then you can provide a source.

Otherwise they are just baseless claims on a conspiracy site.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Baseless claims on conspiracy sites is EXACTLY what some folks are paid to make. Baseless claims in the media is what WHO is all about.

Eric Hoffer was right: Good propaganda does not deceive people, it merely helps them deceive themselves.

That truism has been demonstrated most excellently by Pharma and the MSM.

Many fall for it, but many have awakened.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: ScepticScot

Baseless claims on conspiracy sites is EXACTLY what some folks are paid to make. Baseless claims in the media is what WHO is all about.

Eric Hoffer was right: Good propaganda does not deceive people, it merely helps them deceive themselves.

That truism has been demonstrated most excellently by Pharma and the MSM.

Many fall for it, but many have awakened.

And still no source.

What a surprise...