Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

originally posted by: generalbattle
a reply to: Xcathdra

There are S-400 at Sevastopol which covers Odessa air space. If Ukraine tries to use anti sub helicopters they get shot down. Unless America gives Ukraine Tomahawk cruise missiles to take out S-400 in Sevastopol.

Neptune missiles just successfully targeted s300 (with s400 radar upgrades) on the moskva, what makes you think they can't do the same with the s400s in sevestapol?

They can, which is why russia hasn't turned on the s400s in Crimea yet.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Grimpachi

There isn't an internet conspiracy you won't use huh? Please show me in the bill where it says they can lie or even target US citizens. What it did was allow Voice of America to give content to local media upon request. This means say a local paper wants to do a story on something written on VOA they can request the sources and use the material without having to pay them since it was provided with taxpayer money. Or put simply the VOA cannot charge someone for using their story.

If you are looking for a bill that specifically states that the US government can target US populace with propaganda you must think they are fools.

Before 2012 the Smith–Mundt Act prevented the U.S. government from delivering programming to American audiences it kept them from targeting US citizens. There are no longer any laws preventing the targeting and dissemination of government propaganda to US citizens. Nor does it restrain them from using any form of media.

Now you can be trusting that the US wouldn't take advantage of such an opening because of their great track record (sarc) like how they did so well about not spying on US citizens.

But sure, chalk it up to a conspiracy theory if you want.

However, for it to be a conspiracy there would need to be no evidence of it happening.

Two USA Today journalists were ensnared in a propaganda campaign after reporting about millions of dollars in back taxes owed by the Pentagon’s top propaganda contractor in Afghanistan. Eventually, one of the co-owners of the firm confessed to creating phony websites and Twitter accounts to smear the journalists anonymously.

foreignpolicy.com...

a reply to: dragonridr

Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 - Amends the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 to authorize the Secretary of State and the Broadcasting Board of Governors to provide for the preparation and dissemination of information intended for foreign audiences abroad about the United States, including about its people, its history, and the federal government's policies, through press, publications, radio, motion pictures, the Internet, and other information media, including social media, and through information centers and instructors. (Under current law such authority is restricted to information disseminated abroad, with a limited domestic exception.)

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
A third major fire in Russia at a sensitive facility, this time in Moscow; defense and space related.

Cheers

I am happy to read these reports.
There will be more “inside jobs “ as the days go by.
Not sure who is involved, but good job.
I suspect the news will never be blacked out completely in the pariah’s country.
I hope they go for state sponsored TV next.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: vkey08

If you believe what Western News is saying about how Russian forces are doing that may make sense.


But, if you remember that The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act passed in 2012 legalized our government to not only target foreign nations with propaganda but US citizens as well. They can do so through any media source. They can pay media companies with our tax dollars to push a narrative and keep it confidential under the cloak of national security.

If you remember that, then you may want to consider that the info you are being told is not the entire truth or possibly outright lies.

Wasn't really going by what the news said so much as what was actually coming out of Ukraine, and Russians that have been talking. Heck IIRC, Medvedev made some ff remark about tactical nukes a few weeks ago before walking ti back. So it's on their minds, if not foremost on them.

a reply to: vkey08

I wouldn't worry about nukes being used unless the UN does something really stupid like join into the war beyond supplying ordinance.

I watched a video on Telegram where RF showed one of the ASPs they captured. UAF had more than enough ordinance so I don't think more will help much. RF isn't pushing in anymore but UAF is trying to take back territory so they are attacking fortified positions. Plus the Chechens have finished in Mariupol and are heading to the main battle. DPR is sitting on the rest of Azov holed up underground.

JUST MAYBE the billions of dollars we send to our military/intelligence agencies every year is yielding results!

A video of Vladimir Putin was published this weekend. He looks POISONED, doesn't he?

See it here: nypost.com...

If true, this could be GREAT, or it could be HORRIBLE...depending on how Putin reacts.

a reply to: Xtrozero

If the numbers are only half of what is claimed there, it is still a shocking failure on the part of Russia's military.

What I'd like to see is authoritative loss figures for both sides.

Cheers

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

Wondering again about the fires.

You made the point that these were valuable facilities to be targets of false flag actions.

Yet, it is difficult to imagine a resistance movement in Russia that has sprung up so quickly AND been able to penetrate the security of these facilities, assuming the fires were not accidental (3 in a week make that seem unlikely, at least for all 3).

So what does that indicate? Covert action by Russian intel personnel who had authorization to enter the facilities or knew how to bypass their security? And if so, on behalf of whom?

Disturbing and curious.

Cheers

For the most part, I've enjoyed reading this thread, however, the tit for tat on a particular weapon's systems (i.e. harpoon missiles) is not going to dictate the outcome of the war between Ukraine and Russia! The discussion that ensues just corroborates the desire for that side to win. This does not make it an update thread, nor a conspiracy thread, nor a deny ignorance thread! This is not what ATS is about!

What those statements do indicate is a desire for the country you are pulling for is to win the war. This results in dis/mis information and trying to project a narrative. Opposite from what ATS was founded upon.

When I see posts from generalbattle and grimpachi are not facts but conjecture and ultimately derails the thread. It's obvious that generalbattle never served in the military and is solely interested in weapons systems capabilities. The Russians executing these systems have not displayed proficiency in end results on the so-called dominance of those weapons systems. As a retired Colonel in the United States Air Force, and Air Battle Manager, I can tell you your statements have little merit and do not provide context to the current situation.

Why cant we focus on facts?

Focus on the results of the operators executing these weapons systems. Russian forces in Ukraine are severely limited in the proficiency of operating there weapons! Deaths of senior officers display this! There are too many arm chair quarterbacks on here predicting what will happen without military knowledge. ISW reports have a helluva lot more credibility than posters spewing speculation without facts.

War is a battle of battles! Taking one fact or partial of facts of one instance does not constitute a victory. This will be a long war predicated on battles of battles. Don't micromanage a piece of a battle to make it an outcome. That's not how wars are won. I know from personal experience! Russia invaded a country with 40 million people and expect 200,000 troops to secure a victory. That will not happen! It didn't happen in Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq. This is not Mongolia!

Cheers!

originally posted by: generalbattle
Alligator attack helicopter flying low to avoid S-300

twitter.com...

unless they are flying below 82ft they are within striking range.

* - Kryvyi Rih(10:58). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast(10:58). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Zaporizka Oblast(10:56). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(10:35). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Donetsk Oblast(10:34). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - As result of a missile strike at cemetery in Odesa one woman wounded

* - Donetsk Oblast(09:39). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - 1 killed as result of Russian missile strikes in Pavlohrad

* - Air defense engaged aerial target just moments after sirens sounded in Odesa

* - Ukrainian air defense shot down 2 Russian missiles near Pivdenniy port

* - Explosions reported in Mykolaiv

* - IAEA: Ukraine has submitted a list of equipment for the safe operation of its nuclear facilities

* - 6 people killed today in Zolote as result of shelling

* - Explosions reported near Pavlohrad

* - Russia's defense ministry says its troops have conducted a missile strike on a depot containing weapons delivered by the US and European countries to Ukrainian forces near Odessa

* - Pentagon chief Lloyd Austin will join Blinken for the visit to Kyiv, Zelensky said. Sunday's visit comes before a major US-hosted meeting in Germany on Tuesday to discuss Ukraine's longer-term security

* - President Zelensky during interview to foreign and Ukrainian journalists: 8 killed as result of Russian missile strike in Odesa

* - Ukrainian army downed Orlan-10 drone with electronic warfare measures

* - Governor of Kursk region says border area was shelled in Glushkovo district

* - Woman and 3 policemen wounded as result of shelling of Kharkiv today

* - Russia resumed its assault on the last Ukrainian defenders holed up in a giant steel works in Mariupol, a Ukrainian official said on Saturday, days after Moscow declared victory in the southern port city and said its forces did not need to take the plant

* - Stolen commodities from occupied Ukraine: Shipping from Crimea to Turkish ports continues unchecked with impunity, against Turkish policy. Astrakhan based CMC's Russian flag vessel Mikhail Nenashev, en route from Sevastopol, transited Bosphorus carrying wheat & arrived Derince

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

* - Poland has provided Ukraine with weapons worth around 7 billion PLN - announced Prime Minister @MorawieckiM during the conference for the initiative StopRussiaNOW. This is over 1.6 billion dollars to defend Ukrainian, Polish and European sovereignty

* - Head of Sumy region says Russian troops shelling border communities

* - Explosions reported near Dnipro city

* - As result of missile strike in Odesa 5 people killed, including 3 months old child, 18 wounded

* - Russia conduct missile strike against infrastructure object in Odesa

* - Explosions were reported near Dnipro city, possible air defense

* - Explosion was heard in several districts of Odesa, reportedly a missile was shotdown

* - At least 3 fires as result of shelling in south-west district of Kharkiv

* - The source is well-known state propaganda agency, entity or personality. Please be aware, even if particular information or statement is not propaganda and is true, do not rely on this source without proper objective analysis of facts to form a judgment.
Russian Ministry of Defense accusing U.S. in preparation of "provocations with weapons of mass-destruction" in Ukraine

* - Biggest Ukrainian bank Privatbank reports issues with communications, could affect ATMs and terminals

* - Russian troops shelled Ukrainian border guards at Senkivka village of Chernihiv region with grenade launchers

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

Flightradar24

* - JAKE11 - Boeing RC-135W Rivet Joint / USAF - Patrolling Poland / Belarus/Ukraine border
* - LAGR290 - Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker / USAF - Doing circles over Romania
* - NATO11 - Boeing E-3A Sentry / NATO (Luxembourg) - Doing circles over East Romania / Black Sea
* - LAGR261 - Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker / USAF - Over Hungary rtb.
* - RBP01 - Schiebel Camcopter S-100 (Drone) / Private owner - Black Sea / Romanian coast
* - NO CALLSIGN - Ilyushin Il-76MD / Russian air force - between Moscow and St. Petersburg
* - RFF9928 - Ilyushin Il-76MD / Russian air force - also between Moscow and St. Petersburg

a reply to: Sthrndream

Thank you for your words and service to our country.

* - Apparently Russia is now claiming that Poland is involved in producing chemical weapons inside Ukraine.
* - Russia is using the fact several countries have been shipping gas masks and antidotes to Ukraine / surrounding (NATO) countries and claiming Ukraine/west is going to conduct chemical / bio weapons attacks on Russia / Russian forces.
* - Russia is once again attacking Odessa and hit an apartment building.

The above info is coming from video below

a reply to: Xcathdra

The Russian government sounds desperate to have an excuse to use WMDs in Ukraine.

What happened to all the feverish accusations of US bioweapons manufacture in Ukraine?

🙄

Cheers

23 April update

Key Takeaways

* Russian forces continued their pressure on the Azovstal facility in Mariupol.

* Russian troops drawn from the retreat from Kyiv are re-entering combat in eastern Ukraine.

* Russian forces from around Mariupol are redeploying to the vicinity of Donetsk City and are likely to enter combat again soon and without rest or refit.

* Russia continued conducting small-scale ground offensives at multiple points along the front from Izyum to Zaporizhia Oblast.

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I thought Putin ordered his Generals to NOT go after the forces in the Azovstak?


As for the biolab BS I still think is was solely for the russian domestic front.