Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

* - Aide to office of President of Ukraine Podolyak: Russian troops attacking Azovstal non-stop

* - Donetsk Oblast(12:34). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kramatorsk(12:32). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - 2 children killed as result of shelling in Ocheretyne community in Donetsk region

* - Yesterday Russian troops shelled border villages in Sumy region. Damage to houses in Atynske and Boiaro-Lezhachi

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

* - Top Kyiv official says Ukraine has destroyed a Russian command post in Kherson.

The Ukrainian military claimed on Saturday that it destroyed a Russian command post in the southern region of Kherson, which has been largely under Russian control since the early days of the war.

The intelligence agency of the Ukrainian defense ministry said in a statement that the Russian command center was located near a location of active clashes between the two forces and two high-ranking Russian officers were present at the time of the strike.

The claim could not be independently verified and there was no immediate comment from Russia’s military, which rarely acknowledges battlefield setbacks.

In a separate statement, Oleksiy Arestovych, a former Ukrainian military intelligence officer who is now an adviser to the Ukrainian president’s office, said that about 50 senior Russian officers were in the command center at the time of the attack.

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* - The Ukrainians Keep Blowing Up Russian Command Posts And Killing Generals

Eight years ago, a trio of Ukrainian army brigades fighting Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region made a fatal mistake. They idled their tanks and trucks around a static command post.

Russian drones and eavesdroppers pinpointed the command post and blasted it with artillery.

Today it’s the Russians who are making that same mistake—and the Ukrainians who are exploiting the error. In the two months since Russia widened its war on Ukraine, Kyiv’s forces have located and destroyed no fewer than 31 Russian command and communications posts.

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* - The Belarusian railway saboteurs who helped thwart Russia’s attack on Kyiv

When Russian troops first streamed across the Belarusian border into Ukraine for what they had assumed would be a lightning assault on Kyiv, they were intending to rely on the region’s extensive rail network for supplies and reinforcements.

The Russians hadn’t taken into account the railway saboteurs of Belarus.

Starting in the earliest days of the invasion in February, a clandestine network of railway workers, hackers and dissident security forces went into action to disable or disrupt the railway links connecting Russia to Ukraine through Belarus, wreaking havoc on Russian supply lines.

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* - Turkey closes airspace to Russian planes flying to Syria: FM

Turkey has closed its airspace to Russian civilian and military planes flying to Syria, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has been quoted as saying by local media.

“We closed the airspace to Russia’s military planes – and even civilian ones – flying to Syria. They had until April, and we asked in March,” Turkish media quoted Cavusoglu as saying on Saturday.

Cavusoglu said he conveyed the decision to his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov, who then relayed it to President Vladimir Putin.

“One or two days later, they said: Putin has issued an order, we will not fly any more,” Cavusoglu was quoted as telling Turkish reporters on board his plane to Uruguay.

Cavusoglu added that the ban would stay in place for three months.

There was no immediate response to Turkey’s announcement from Russia, which together with Iran has been a crucial supporter of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad during the war in the country.

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If you are a fan of the 1984 movie "Red Dawn"...

The word 'wolverines' was painted onto these destroyed Russian vehicles.

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More here:

screenrant.com...

Here is a Russian journalist discussing how Russia is paying people to put out false information with fake interviews

The realistic view in a nutshell, Ukrainian forces put up a hell of a fight over the first few weeks, buoyed on by the Washington written PR campaign delivered by Zelensky, gobbled up and spewed out by the MSM, there was some brutal combat at the start.

However, since then and unsurprisingly, it's Russian victories all across the board, Ukrainian storage depots are destroyed, Russia has control over the airspace, all the combat footage emerging now is either Russian victories or Ukrainian rehash videos that were shown at the start of the conflict, or videos depicting Ukrainian successes but are in actual fact, Russian victories. And the amount of videos of Ukrainian POWs is staggering, the tipping point has passed, and no way can Ukrainian forces sustain the losses.

Russia will undoubtedly consolidate the Donbass, there are rumours circulating of another Ukrainian false flag using chemical weapons (similar to the White Helmets attempt in Syria) however, either way what happens beyond this is unknown, but it is most certainly game over for the Ukrainian forces

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
If you are a fan of the 1984 movie "Red Dawn"...

The word 'wolverines' was painted onto these destroyed Russian vehicles.

mobile.twitter.com...

More here:

screenrant.com...

That's awesome.. The article in your second link seems to have forgotten the USSR/Russia is in fact a neighboring country to the US. At its closest point its only 2 miles.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

You may want to fact check your facts. Mariupol there is still fighting. Russia lost 2 generals and upwards of 50 officers at their command post in Kherson, Ukrainian forces in the North pushed Russian forces back across the border and the Russian advance along the line of control is stalled.

a reply to: dragonridr

Russia is paying people to put out false information with fake interviews

Patrick Lancaster being a prime proponent of that type of thing.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Mariupol there is still fighting

Not quite, citizens are moving around freely now, the only "fighting", and it isn't even that is at Azovstal where Russian forces are still carrying out airstrikes and artillery fire, seeing as the Nazis are still hiding, it's more for psychological reasons than anything else, but they ain't going anywhere.

Russia lost 2 generals and upwards of 50 officers at their command post in Kherson, Ukrainian forces in the North pushed Russian forces back across the border and the Russian advance along the line of control is stalled.

Not sure where you're getting this, but the only Russian actions of yesterday was artillery fire, airstrikes and cruise missile strikes (pretty much as you were), there's not even been any attempted Russian advances over the last few days, so how it can be "stalled" I'm not sure, are Ukrainian authorities saying "stuff" again?

You may want to fact check your facts

Uh-huh

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

All of my sources where info comes from are posted. Feel free to post your sources refuting the info in mine.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

You're watching the wrong war.

Ukraine repelled Russian attacks in the east - UK intelligence.

"Ukraine has repelled numerous Russian assaults along the line of contact" in the country's eastern Donbas region this week, the UK's Defence Intelligence (DI) says in its latest report.
"Despite Russia making some territorial gains, Ukrainian resistance has been strong across all axes and inflicted significant cost on Russian forces. "Poor Russian morale and limited time to reconstitute, re-equip and reorganise forces from prior offensives are likely hindering Russian combat effectiveness," DI says. Part of the UK's ministry of defence, DI focuses on gathering and analysing military intelligence

www.bbc.com...

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

You're watching the wrong war.

Ukraine repelled Russian attacks in the east - UK intelligence.

"Ukraine has repelled numerous Russian assaults along the line of contact" in the country's eastern Donbas region this week, the UK's Defence Intelligence (DI) says in its latest report.
"Despite Russia making some territorial gains, Ukrainian resistance has been strong across all axes and inflicted significant cost on Russian forces. "Poor Russian morale and limited time to reconstitute, re-equip and reorganise forces from prior offensives are likely hindering Russian combat effectiveness," DI says. Part of the UK's ministry of defence, DI focuses on gathering and analysing military intelligence

www.bbc.com...

Wow, the BBC, who have been following the same subjective narrative since day one? Stop insulting my intelligence

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

You're watching the wrong war.

Ukraine repelled Russian attacks in the east - UK intelligence.

"Ukraine has repelled numerous Russian assaults along the line of contact" in the country's eastern Donbas region this week, the UK's Defence Intelligence (DI) says in its latest report.
"Despite Russia making some territorial gains, Ukrainian resistance has been strong across all axes and inflicted significant cost on Russian forces. "Poor Russian morale and limited time to reconstitute, re-equip and reorganise forces from prior offensives are likely hindering Russian combat effectiveness," DI says. Part of the UK's ministry of defence, DI focuses on gathering and analysing military intelligence

www.bbc.com...

Wow, the BBC, who have been following the same subjective narrative since day one? Stop insulting my intelligence

I would rather believe The BBC ( M.O.D. ) than your make believe analysis.

Good for a laugh though.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

You're watching the wrong war.

Ukraine repelled Russian attacks in the east - UK intelligence.

"Ukraine has repelled numerous Russian assaults along the line of contact" in the country's eastern Donbas region this week, the UK's Defence Intelligence (DI) says in its latest report.
"Despite Russia making some territorial gains, Ukrainian resistance has been strong across all axes and inflicted significant cost on Russian forces. "Poor Russian morale and limited time to reconstitute, re-equip and reorganise forces from prior offensives are likely hindering Russian combat effectiveness," DI says. Part of the UK's ministry of defence, DI focuses on gathering and analysing military intelligence

www.bbc.com...

Wow, the BBC, who have been following the same subjective narrative since day one? Stop insulting my intelligence

I would rather believe The BBC ( M.O.D. ) than your make believe analysis.

Good for a laugh though.

And there's the problem

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
of Ukrainian POWs is staggering, the tipping point has passed, and no way can Ukrainian forces sustain the losses.

Russia will undoubtedly consolidate the Donbass, there are rumours circulating of another Ukrainian false flag using chemical weapons (similar to the White Helmets attempt in Syria) however, either way what happens beyond this is unknown, but it is most certainly game over for the Ukrainian forces

The Real realistic view is Russia may indeed consolidate the Donbas, but Ukraine will make it unmanageable...for the next 10-20-30 years or however long it takes.

The long war drains resources, cash, and the will of the Russian people to even care about southern Ukraine. Russia can have its victory. It'll be short-lived and costly.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2

If the numbers are only half of what is claimed there, it is still a shocking failure on the part of Russia's military.

What I'd like to see is authoritative loss figures for both sides.

Cheers

Not sure if we really need it as we can tell as to which direction the FEBA moves, so far it has not been in Russia's favor. If they lose anymore of the south and east it just means they are getting the snot slapped out of them with most likely heavy loses. If the FEBA doesn't move then they are still taking heavy loses but not at the point of retreating as they did when they first went for the capital.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
but it is most certainly game over for the Ukrainian forces

Really? Lets readdress this in 30 days...lol You seems to have forgotten their first good push was without any help and that help is pouring in now in the billions. Very high tech equipment is hitting the battle field now.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

The long war drains resources, cash, and the will of the Russian people to even care about southern Ukraine. Russia can have its victory. It'll be short-lived and costly.

I can even see Crimea going back to Ukraine.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

You're watching the wrong war.

Ukraine repelled Russian attacks in the east - UK intelligence.

"Ukraine has repelled numerous Russian assaults along the line of contact" in the country's eastern Donbas region this week, the UK's Defence Intelligence (DI) says in its latest report.
"Despite Russia making some territorial gains, Ukrainian resistance has been strong across all axes and inflicted significant cost on Russian forces. "Poor Russian morale and limited time to reconstitute, re-equip and reorganise forces from prior offensives are likely hindering Russian combat effectiveness," DI says. Part of the UK's ministry of defence, DI focuses on gathering and analysing military intelligence

www.bbc.com...

Wow, the BBC, who have been following the same subjective narrative since day one? Stop insulting my intelligence

The BEEB is more independent and trustworthy than Russian state media sources.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

The long war drains resources, cash, and the will of the Russian people to even care about southern Ukraine. Russia can have its victory. It'll be short-lived and costly.

I can even see Crimea going back to Ukraine.

I've been watching there is not alot to stop Ukraine from taking Crimea troop wise their threat is the black sea fleet. They are still a huge threat to anyone trying to get into Crimea.