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Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

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posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 12:53 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

OK, sure, that totally makes sense somehow in the scope of the conversation.

I believe you.



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 12:55 AM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

I could care less what you believe. My concern is the lies you are spreading and then the lies you tell to try to get out of the first lie.



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:03 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Sure bro. And black is white and up is down.



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:06 AM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

and Facts are Facts and your lies are your lies.



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:09 AM
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Too Few Troops, Not Enough Supplies—Russia’s Eastern Offensive Could Be Doomed

As Russia’s wider war in Ukraine nears its second month, the Kremlin still hasn’t solved its fundamental military problems.

The Russian army didn’t have enough infantry and supply trucks to win a three-front war in Ukraine’s south, east and north. Now it’s fighting on only two fronts—the south and east. But it’s got even fewer infantry and trucks than before.

So while the Russians’ artillery might punch a hole in the outermost Ukrainian defenses, allowing a few tank battalions to roll through, there aren’t enough foot soldiers to both protect the tanks and guard the flanks of the advance. To say nothing of securing fragile supply lines as they stretch out over scores or hundreds of miles from the nearest railheads.

Logistical failures doomed Russia’s attempt to encircle Kyiv in the first month of the war. Those same logistical failures, exacerbated by a worsening infantry shortage, could doom Russia’s offensive in the east, too.


click link for article...



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

That statement applies to everyone including yourself so there is no argument from me.

"Facts are facts and your lies are your lies."

I don't really see it catching on because even kids know that about the world. No one is going to be asking if they can use that in a fortune cookie.



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:20 AM
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* - 2 people killed as result of Russian shelling in Popasna

* - Bakhmut(08:55). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kramatorsk(08:55). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast, Bakhmut, Kramatorsk(07:54). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Canada said it has provided heavy artillery to Ukrainian security forces, following up on a pledge by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau earlier this week to send more artillery weaponry to Ukraine in the face of a Russian assault on its East

* - Germany's chancellor @OlafScholz says he's reluctant to send heavy weapons to Ukraine because of the real threat of nuclear war. He compares his situation to that of his predecessors who had to watch Kremlin tanks crush democracy in East Europe

* - Today more airstrikes were reported in Popasna

* - The source is state-funded media. Please, be aware, do not rely on this source without proper objective analysis of facts to form a judgment.
Russian Ministry of Defense: as result of fire at Moskva cruiser 1 sailor killed, 27 missed. 396 were evacuated

* - Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin invited 40 nations for a conference on Ukraine's defense needs at American base in Germany next week, 20 have accepted: Pentagon Conference will take place next Tuesday. This will also address Ukraine's post-war military needs

* - Russian military column destroyed in Kherson region

* - Russian army conducted missile strike at agricultural vehicles garage in Synelnykove district of Dnipropetrovsk region

* - Russian troops attempted to assault Zelene Pole at Zaporizhzhia frontline, but failed - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine

* - Putin to meet with UN chief Guterres in Russia next week, Kremlin says

* - Ukraine and Russia held another round of talks on April 21 and 22 - Ukrainian negotiator Arahamiya

* - Battles continue near Azovstal

* - Russian troops reportedly targeted big mall in Kharkiv, preliminary no casualties

* - Reports of explosions in Kherson

* - Russian troops shelled Barvinkove. 1 person killed, multiple houses damaged

* - 1 killed, 6 wounded as result of shelling at warehouses in Korotychi, Kharkiv region

* - Ukrainian military shotdown Russian Orlan drone in Kharkiv region with MANPADS

* - Russian troops attempted a breakthrough near Virnopilla of Kharkiv region, but failed

* - Poland's PM says that confiscating Russian assets in EU should be a source of additional funds for the reconstruction of Ukraine and aid for refugees. He asks EU: "do you want to return this frozen property to the Russians, after the crimes that happened It would be immoral"

* - PM @morawieckim on blocking further sanctions: wheyer it is Germany or Hungary we are equally indignant Slovak PM @eduardheger says that he feels „disappointed" about the Hungary's stance on Russia


As a reminder


Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.


The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception




Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:27 AM
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* - Polish PM @MorawieckiM: we talked about how, after the opening of the Polish-Slovak interconnector, to help Slovakia to become independent from Russian gas

* - Slovak PM @eduardheger says after the Polish-Slovak intergovernmental consultations with PM @morawieckim that there is a need to gradually impose further sanctions on Russia

* - British Ambassador to Ukraine Melinda Simmons: I'm heading back. Looking forward to working in Kyiv Ukraine️ again

* - Ukrainian troops (40 soldiers) begin training in France with Caesar 155mm 52-caliber self-propelled howitzers donated by France, said Macron in @OuestFrance

* - President of the European Council: had a call with Putin. Strongly urged for immediate humanitarian access and safe passage from #Mariupol and other besieged cities all the more on the occasion of Orthodox Easter.

* - 2 killed, 1 wounded as result of shelling of Nova Zorya village in Kherson region by Russian military

* - Russian missile strikes in Druzhkivka and Dopropillia

* - Image from the site of crashed An-26 in Zaporizhzhia region

* - Full control over Donbas, land corridor to Crimea and control over South of Ukraine in order to connect with previously occupied by RU Transnistria – announced plans of current military activities of Russia

* - The United Nations has accused Russia of taking action in Ukraine "that may amount to war crimes", including indiscriminate bombing that killed civilians and destroyed schools and hospitals

* - US-European statement: Those responsible for crimes in areas controlled by Russian forces must be held accountable

* - 1,084 bodied of civilians have already been found in the Kyiv Oblast. Andriy Nebytov, regional police chief, says 50-75% of these people killed with small arms. 300+ bodies have not yet been identified

* - Ukrainian army destroyed 3 Russian tanks near Izyum

* - Russian ministry of Defense announces that during “2nd stage of military operation” it has plans to occupy Donbas and Southern Ukraine to make landbridge to Crimea

* - Russian troops shelling Vuhledar this morning

* - Indian PM says he discussed with his British counterpart the need for a ceasefire in Ukraine

* - Dmytro Kuleba: Prime Minister of Romania @NicolaeCiuca received me in Bucharest today. We discussed developing trade, energy and infrastructure cooperation, focused on ways to diversify routes for Ukrainian exports. Grateful to Romania for supporting Ukraine and welcoming Ukrainian refugees

* - Ukrainian An-26 on technical flight crashed in Vilniansk district of Zaporizhzhia region

* - Damage in Sloviansk after shelling by Russian troops

* - Russian missile launches from Chystyakove area

* - About 50 shelling in last 24 hours in Kharkiv and Kharkiv region. In Kharkiv city Oleksiivka, Zhukovskogo, KhTZ were shelled

* - Russian troops shelled Sloviansk with cluster ammunition

* - Russian troops shelled a farm in Oleksandrivka village of Lyman community

* - Flares in Zarichne of Donetsk region

* - 6y.o girl was wounded as result of shelling by Russian troops of Novomykolaivka village of Polohy district

* - Zaporizhzhia frontline: Russian troops shelled Huliaipilske, Kamyanske, Novodanylivka, Orikhiv, Pavlivka, Vremivka, Temyrivka, Preobrazhenka, Charivne, Uspenivka, Mala Tokmachka, Malynivka, Poltavka, Novoandriivka with tanks, MLRS, howitzers and mortars

* - Evacuation from Mariupol today scheduled for 11am towards Berdyansk- Zaporizhzhia


As a reminder


Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.


The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception




Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:28 AM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

Hey you lie all you want since its the only way to sell Putin's, and your, bull#.

Since you have tried to derail the thread -
FACT - Zelensky commented on reacquiring nukes Feb of 2022. Russia started its invasion of Ukraine in 2014.
edit on 23-4-2022 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:31 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Must be really convenient to be able to label any info or facts that you don't like as lies.


That is something a child would do.



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:37 AM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Xcathdra

Must be really convenient to be able to label any info or facts that you don't like as lies.


That is something a child would do.


No just yours and Putin's. If you want to continue discussing your lies start a new thread and take your bs there.



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:43 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

PM4U



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:43 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

You want to play? OK

It is also a fact that I stated that Zelensy made a threat about nukes before the invasion. Only a fool would claim otherwise. And world leaders who are not fools made statements about Zelenskys threat.

Then you come in claiming BS. I tried to give you an out and wouldn't let it go.

Tell me how you figured my statement about Zelensky would apply to the 2014 invasion? How could you take that leap of logic?

You are the worst kind of dishonest person on here.



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:52 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Grimpachi

Hey you lie all you want since its the only way to sell Putin's, and your, bull#.

Since you have tried to derail the thread -
FACT - Zelensky commented on reacquiring nukes Feb of 2022. Russia started its invasion of Ukraine in 2014.


I honestly dont believe Grimpachi is derailing the thread. I am not contributing only reading the updates and I very much enjoy your posts but also Grimpachis.

Both of you have been providing good info for alot of us who just prefer to read and weigh the info and decide for ourselves what we see as the truth.

Sometimes its hard to come to a conclusion at the moment to what is fact or propaganda but we also need to have a balance of both sides of the situation whether we have made the right choice on what is truth or lies.

Ultimitely what is most important is always having both sides of a story and making our own decisions.

Thank you for all the work you have put into this thread.



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 01:56 AM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

Again Zelensky made the reacquiring nukes comment in 2022. Russia started its invasion of Ukraine in 2014.



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 02:04 AM
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originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Xcathdra

PM4U


PM back at ya



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 02:15 AM
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Gonzalo Lira was Detained by Ukrainian Authorities For A Week


Gonzalo Lira resurfaced in a live-stream on Thursday night and revealed he was detained by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) for a week






posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 03:58 AM
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a reply to: Blowback

So is this guy dead or has he just been silenced like the people on the list he provided?

those two communist brothers in jail etc
and the other politicians that are now dead

pretty interesting , especially when they disappear
surely one person cant fight the war machine , surely its easier just to say they are liars
and spreading false info using "fact checkers" and just ban all their posts as we have seen happen to many people.



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 06:35 AM
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Russian attack helicopters still operating at night despite threat of MANPADS, mostly at night using thermal which makes them difficult to spot by individual soldiers.

twitter.com...



posted on Apr, 23 2022 @ 06:40 AM
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