Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

a reply to: Xcathdra

Dont mistake me here X, im anti war, not a pacifist.

Im also very pro a "right tool for the job" guy.

Want to win this? Then its going to, witb a 90% certainty, lead to ww3, quite possibly with nukes.

Want the least bloody way out? Capitulate to russias demands and help Ukraine find an acceptible out. Afterall, we helped get this war machine on its way

Whats going on now is a bleeding of Ukraine.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Xcathdra

Dont mistake me here X, im anti war, not a pacifist.

Im also very pro a "right tool for the job" guy.

Want to win this? Then its going to, witb a 90% certainty, lead to ww3, quite possibly with nukes.

Want the least bloody way out? Capitulate to russias demands and help Ukraine find an acceptible out. Afterall, we helped get this war machine on its way

Whats going on now is a bleeding of Ukraine.

Ah, the highly successful chamberlain 'strategy'.

That always works.

* - President of Estonia: On our way to Kyiv, to a city that has suffered terribly due to Russian war since my last visit. Together with Presidents @AndrzejDuda, @GitanasNauseda & @valstsgriba we visit Ukraine to show strong support to Ukrainian people, will meet dear friend President @ZelenskyyUa

* - Overnight Russian army conducted missile strike at railway station in Central Ukraine, routes of 17 trains changed due to safety concerns

* - Presidents of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are heading to Kyiv to meet president @ZelenskyyUa. Polish and Lithuanian leaders were the last presidents that visited Ukraine just hours before the Russian invasion began

* - Pokrovsk(04:28). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kramatorsk(04:20). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Poltavska Oblast(04:18). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kryvyi Rih, Zaporizka Oblast(04:17). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast(04:17). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(04:12). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kryvyi Rih(02:19). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast(02:19). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Reports of explosions in Zhytomyr region

* - President Biden labels Putin's invasion of Ukraine a "genocide" for the first time: "Your family budget, your ability to fill up your tank — none of it should hinge on whether a dictator declares war and commits genocide a half a world away”

* - The OSCE will publish the findings of its investigation into human rights abuses and atrocities committed in the ongoing Russian war in Ukraine tomorrow, per spox for the US Mission

* - YouTube is currently experiencing partial outages in multiple countries; incident not related to country-level internet disruptions or filtering

* - A top U.S. defense official said on Tuesday that the Pentagon would convene a classified meeting with the leaders of the biggest American military contractors on Wednesday to discuss stepped-up assistance to Ukraine

* - U.S. President Joe Biden's administration is expected to announce as soon as Wednesday another $750 million in military assistance for Ukraine for its fight against Russian forces, two U.S. officials familiar with the matter told Reuters

* - Pokrovsk, Bakhmut(23:12). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(23:08). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Heavy explosions again in Kharkiv

* - Ivano-Frankivsk, Ivano-Frankivska Oblast(22:40). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Ternopil, Ternopilska Oblast, Kyiv Oblast(22:37). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Khmelnytska Oblast, Rivne, Rivnenska Oblast(22:34). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Volynska Oblast(22:33). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Zhytomyr, Zhytomyrska Oblast(22:34). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kyiv(22:32). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - 1 killed, 2 wounded as result of Russian army shelling on Babai village in Kharkiv region

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

* - Russian army launched missile strike at infrastructure in Myrhorod

* - Security Service of Ukraine has captured pro-Russian politician Viktor Medvedchuk

* - Chernihivska Oblast(20:57). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Cherkaska Oblast(20:55). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Poltavska Oblast(20:54). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and U.S. President Joe Biden discussed boosting military and economic support to Ukraine on Tuesday as well as the need to end Western reliance on Russian oil and gas, a spokeswoman for Johnson's office said

* - .@SecDef Lloyd Austin spoke Tuesday morning with Ukraine Defense Minister @oleksiireznikov, per @PentagonPresSec. Austin emphasized US efforts to meet Ukraine's most urgent needs & battlefield requirements

* - Ukrainian border guards increased security on border with so-called Transnistria and Belarus

* - Incoming missile 19:43). Sirens sounding in Lozova. Take cover now!

* - Head of Donetsk regional administration: up to 22000 people were killed in Mariupol, at least 33500 were brought to Russia or occupied territories

* - Clashes reported in Borova direction

* - Mayor of Bucha: as of today bodies of 403 people, killed during Russian occupation, were found

* - Boris Johnson: I've just spoken to @POTUS and updated him on my meeting with President @ZelenskyyUa in Kyiv this weekend. Our joint focus remains on supporting President Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people in their fight for freedom. Putin's barbaric venture cannot be allowed to succeed

* - Kramatorsk(18:45). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - 2343 people were evacuated to safe areas today from Mariupol, Berdyansk and other cities of Zaporizhiye region. 328 were evacuated from Lysychansk, Severodonetsk, Rubizhne, Kreminna and Popasna of Luhansk region

* - Steinmeier not looking happy having received news of Ukraine blocking trip: Says he wanted to send "strong signal of EU solidarity" alongside presidents of Baltics & Poland. "I was ready but apparently (and I need to take note) this was not desired in Kyiv" (it revolves around his connections to Russia)

* - Reuters: Croatia has told 24 Russian embassy staff to leave over Russia's invasion of Ukraine and "brutal aggression"

* - TechCrunch: "Ukraine disrupts attempt by Russian hackers to take down energy provider"

* - [U.S. has examined the possibility that Russia could disguise a chemical attack by mixing in riot control agents: senior U.S. defense official. U.S. not clear whether that occurred in Ukraine's besieged city of Mariupol, where the Azov regiment said Russia used chemical agents

* - U.S. has delivered a "significant amount" of the first 100 Switchblade drones to Ukrainian troops and the kamikaze drones are being used in the field: senior U.S. defense official. U.S. is working hard to expedite the supplies of more of the drones that detonate over targets

* - Putin says Ukraine talks are in dead-end

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

* - This event is known propaganda, displayed for awareness
Putin after meeting with Lukashenka: war in Ukraine is going according to initial plan of General Staff of Armed Forces of Russia

* - 4 killed, including 13y.o. boy as result of Russian attack on civilian vehicles near Peremoha village in the beginning of March - Office of General Prosecutor

* - Frontline pushed from the administrative border of Dnipropetrovsk region deep into Kherson region - Head of Kryvyi Rih administration Vilkul

* - Explosions audible in Kharkiv

* - Bodies of six civilians killed by Russian army were found in the basement in village of Shevchenkove, Brovary district, Kyiv region


* - Authorities in Belgorod region call volunteers to join militia to help police in nighttime

* - Pokrovsk(13:42). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kramatorsk(13:37). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(13:34). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Zakarpattia Oblast(11:39). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Ternopil, Ternopilska Oblast, Volynska Oblast, Lviv, Lvivska Oblast, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ivano-Frankivska Oblast, Rivne, Rivnenska Oblast(11:34). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

8 - 64y.o. man was killed, vehicle destroyed as result of landmine explosion in Chernihiv region

* - Kyiv Oblast, Kirovohradska Oblast(11:25). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Khmelnytska Oblast, Zhytomyr, Zhytomyrska Oblast, Cherkaska Oblast(11:22). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Vinnytska Oblast(11:20). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kyiv(11:21). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Almost two-thirds of Ukrainian children have fled their homes, the UN says. About 4.8 million out of 7.5 million children had to leave their homes, said Manuel Fontaine from UNICEF. He confirmed the deaths of 142 children, but added that the number is "almost certainly higher"

* - Kryvyi Rih, Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast(11:04). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Railway bridge was damaged in Schebekyno district of Belgorod region. Russian investigative committee opened investigation

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast, Odeska Oblast(10:56). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Odesa(10:48). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Ministry of Defense of Ukraine: information on chemicals used in Mariupol last night is still being investigated, preliminary data show it could be phosphorous ammunition


* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast, Zaporizka Oblast(08:57). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kryvyi Rih(08:58). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast(08:57). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Chernihivska Oblast(09:00). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Flight restriction zone over Belarus was extended until May 10. The restricted zone for flights of all types of civil aircraft (including UAV) in the southern area of Belarus at altitude from 0 to 19,800 meters was extended from April 11 to May 10, 2022

* - BelgianTV documents Russian warcrimes and brutalities against civilians in Ukraine-village Terekhivka (northeast of Chernihiv). Russia-army set up a semi-underground comand post here, constructed with roofbeams of homes they destroyed in the village

* - Images of new encampment of troops, tents and vehicles west of Soloti, Russia; troops, armored vehicles and support equipment near Dubrovka, Biriuch, Russia. (taken 9 April)

* - Deputy PM of Ukraine: no evacuation today as Russian troops blocked evacuation buses in Zaporizhiye region and constant attacks in Luhansk region

* - Mykolaiv, Mykolayivska Oblast(09:13). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Images of convoys of Russian military vehicles, trucks moving along 1) T2104 highway near Vilkhuvatka, Ukraine; 2) T-1313 highway near Bilokurakyne, Ukraine; 3-4) near Kyslivka, Ukraine. (taken 9-11 April)

* - Russia is jamming GPS satellite signals in Ukraine, US Space Force says

* - Ambushed Russian convoy. At least two trucks and one Tigr-M has been destroyed. Eastern Ukraine

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

@Xcathdra

The police need help at nighttime so valuable infrastructure like railway bridges doesn't go -boom-

Those kind of measures also paint an intel picture, even if it is one of reflections and shadows.

Cheers

a reply to: Xcathdra

Steinmeier of Germany wanted to go to Kyiv as well but was told he was not welcome because of his ties to Russia.

Cheers

a reply to: JinMI

Ok say Ukraine / west give into Russians demands re: east Ukraine and Crimea.

What happens when they decide they want all of Ukraine? What if Russia invades Finland or Sweden? Russia is already deploying military units on their border with Finland. What if Russia decides Lithuania was never independent (same argument they make for Ukraine) and demands they give up, along with Poland, the Suwalki Gap? All they want is land so they can touch Kaliningrad and Belarus.

Is it worth it to give Russia the 60 mile gap instead of going to war over 60 miles of land?

Land for no war... seems reasonable

What if Russia demands the return of Alaska(like they have in the last 15 years)?
Better still what if they want Alaska, British Columbia, Washington and Oregon? I mean after all those areas used to belong to Russia.

Now reverse the argument - What if Germany decides they want Kaliningrad back? What if Poland wants it? Its just a piece of land right? What if China decides to press Russia to return Siberia / Vladivostok - territory that China once controlled?

If we go down the road of "this land used to belong to Russia, Poland, Lithuania, China?

Where does one draw the line and say enough?

Russia and China are 2 of the largest countries on earth yet for some reason they want more land. The days of territorial expansion via a war are over with.

We are in the 21sy century. Its about time some some countries join the rest of the planet.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
@Xcathdra

The police need help at nighttime so valuable infrastructure like railway bridges doesn't go -boom-

Those kind of measures also paint an intel picture, even if it is one of reflections and shadows.

Cheers

Again another sign that Russia completely and utterly failed to plan for invading Ukraine. I am surprised Ukraine is actually hitting targets in Russia.

Putin essentially ended the possibility of peace for a second time (the 1st when he invaded Ukraine). Ukraines forces in the south are making progress against Russia (towards Kherson and Crimea).

a reply to: Xcathdra

Yep. The problem with "let's go back to" games is, the point chosen to go back to is always arbitrary. Putin's obsession with the 1980s is arbitrary and his personal problem. A thoroughly defective Russian state structure allowed him to accumulate far too much power, which is why his personal problem is now a problem for much of the world.

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Xcathdra

Yep. The problem with "let's go back to" games is, the point chosen to go back to is always arbitrary. Putin's obsession with the 1980s is arbitrary and his personal problem. A thoroughly defective Russian state structure allowed him to accumulate far too much power, which is why his personal problem is now a problem for much of the world.

Cheers

Russia seems to like using the "let's go back" excuse. What I find funny is Russia acts like they are the only ones who can do it when multiple countries can make the same argument to Russian land.

My question is where does the world draw a line and say no more? We either spill bland and stand up to Putin now, or we can it down the road, adding gallons of blood to the fight.

* - Kryvyi Rih(11:34). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast, Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(11:31). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Russian army shelling Kharkiv non-stop, reports of MLRS hit

* - Arsenal with 125mm ammunition found in Korolivka village of Kyiv region

* - Satellite imagery of Kherson Airbase shows buildup of Russian forces with dug in positions. Some vehicles appear to be marked with the "Z" symbol. Location: 46.676, 32.508

* - SAM Pantsyr and S-300 filmed in Ivanivka of Luhansk region

* - Russian troops used incendiary ammunition to shell Novodanylivka village in Zaporizhiye region. Ukrainian firefighters extinguished fires

* - Heavy clashes today in Skotovata

* - Ambushed Russian convoy. At least two trucks and one Tigr-M has been destroyed. Eastern Ukraine

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Russia seems to like using the "let's go back" excuse. What I find funny is Russia acts like they are the only ones who can do it when multiple countries can make the same argument to Russian land.

Start with Kaliningrad. A prize of war from WW2 and ethnically cleansed so "pure" Russians could be relocated in. Seems to me that they are trying to ethnically cleanse Ukraine at the minute, although not working out as planned.

Russia, ethnically cleansing for a hundred years.

Flightradar24

* - HOMER31 - Boeing RC-135W Rivet Joint / USAF - Over Romania patrolling Ukraine / Moldova border
* - NATO01 - Boeing E-3A Sentry / NATO (Luxembourg) - Over Romania near Moldova
* - SNAKE04 - Unknown info - Over Poland
* - MMF18 - Airbus A330-243MRTT / Netherlands - Circles over Warsaw Poland
* - SVF645 - Gulfstream IV / Swedish air force - patrolling Poland - Ukraine/Belarus/Kaliningrad
* - PICO10 - Boeing KC-46A Pegasus / USAF - Circles over northeast Poland
* - LAGR391 - Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker / USAF - Over south central Poland
* - RBP01 - Schiebel Camcopter S-100 / Private owner (drone) - off Romania coast / Black Sea
* - NO CALLSIGN - Lockheed C-130B Hercules / Romanian air force - over north central Romania
* - SPAR86 - Gulfstream C-37A / USAF - Over southeast Poland near Ukraine border
* - R2813 - Sikorsky UH-60M Blackhawk / US Army - Over northeast Poland
* - YANK01 - Beech RC-12X Guardrail / US Army - patrolling Lithuania
* - SUM89067 - Sukhoi Superjet 100-95LR / Russian Ministry for emergency situations - Doing circles southeast of Moscow
* - NO CALLSIGN - Ilyushin Il-62M / Russian air force - southeast of Moscow
* - 64277 - Tupolev Tu-154M / Russian air force - Heading in direction of Sochi
* - Number of Swedish air force over the Baltic / east Sweden

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Russia seems to like using the "let's go back" excuse. What I find funny is Russia acts like they are the only ones who can do it when multiple countries can make the same argument to Russian land.

Start with Kaliningrad. A prize of war from WW2 and ethnically cleansed so "pure" Russians could be relocated in. Seems to me that they are trying to ethnically cleanse Ukraine at the minute, although not working out as planned.

Russia, ethnically cleansing for a hundred years.

The exact same play the Nazis used. Send Russians out to occupied lands and have them settles, then claim the land as Russian.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Security Service of Ukraine has captured pro-Russian politician Viktor Medvedchuk

I read that he is a close personal friend of putin; in fact, putin is Medvedchuk's children's godfather. Zelenski said he'd trade him to russia in exchange for all of the POWs in russian custody. I guess this is where we find out what putin really thinks of his friends...

Following news that Ukrainians had captured the Russian oligarch Viktor Medvedchuk – Putin’s closest ally in Ukraine – Zelenskiy has proposed releasing him to Russia in exchange for Ukrainians captured by Russian forces.
“I propose to the Russian Federation to exchange this guy of yours” for Ukrainian men and women in Russian captivity, he said in an address posted to Telegram.

Link

originally posted by: Xcathdra
The exact same play the Nazis used. Send Russians out to occupied lands and have them settles, then claim the land as Russian.

Yes, same play.

But just to note that the Russians are absolutely nothing like Nazi Germany. Their unprovoked invasion of a peaceful neighbour was to spread love and more peace. If anyone has died, it's because of an allergic reaction to the bunches of flowers the happy Russian peace-bringers are handing out.

a reply to: Grimpachi


He posts on tass and beforeitsnews.

beforeitsnews.com...

Are you asking for beforeitsnews to be added to this thread's source list?

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ufoorbhunter


azov is national guard/militia, they are not known to have this type of weapon.

And most of them were killed weeks ago in Marioupol.

That true and zelensky statioend 2,500 Azovs right in the centre of Mariopol as a forward base years ago no doubt under strict orders from Ben Wallace