Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

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Ukrainian Authorities: Russian Troops Discussed Killing And Raping Civilians In Intercepted Audio

Ukrainian TB-2 Bayraktar Drones DESTROY Russian KA52 Attack Helicopter At A Russian Airbase

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Another great episode, thanks for posting these every day!

* - Russian troops shelled Severodonetsk this morning, damaged 2 residential apartment block and a school

* - Explosion was audible in Dnipro city

* - Kirovohradska Oblast, Kryvyi Rih(09:56). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Zaporizhia(09:54). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast(09:53). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - In total 7 missiles targeted Dnipro city overnight

* - 2 Russian drones shot down in Dnipropetrovsk region

* - Multiple missile strikes in Dnipropetrovsk region overnight, infrastructure object destroyed in Dnipro city, industrial object destroyed in Pavlohrad, in Dniprovsky district a missile was shot down and hit a farm - head of regional administration

* - Russia is sending an 8-mi long convoy of 100s of vehicles, including armored vehicles and artillery southbound through the Ukrainian town of Velykyi Burluk. The convoy is moving about 60 mi east of Ukraine's 2nd-largest city of Kharkiv, as Russian focuses on Donbas. camera:@Maxar

* - Donetsk Oblast(09:05). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Explosions in many districts of Kharkiv, some as result of air defense engagements

* - 3425 people were evacuated today from Berdyansk, Mariupol, towns of Zaporizhiye region under Russian occupation. 529 were evacuated from Melitopol'. 578 were evacuated from Lysychansk, Severodonetsk, Rubizhne, Kreminna, Popasna of Luhansk region

* - Dnipropetrovsk region: Explosions reported in Pavlohrad, earlier explosions were reported near Synelnykove and Dnipro city

* - Russian army shelled Vasyscheve in Kharkiv region

* - Russian army using MLRS Tornado against Kharkiv

* - Explosions audible at Saltivka district in Kharkiv

* - President Zelensky: Had a phone conversation with @JustinTrudeau. Thanked for supporting the #StandUpForUkraine initiative, for CAD 1 billion of financial assistance and USD 500 million of additional defensive support. Stronger together

* - Explosions again in Kharkiv

* - Ukrainian military destroyed T-72 tank and MTO-80 vehicle south to Malynivka village in Zaporizhiye region

* - The source is state-funded media. Please, be aware, do not rely on this source without proper objective analysis of facts to form a judgment.

* - Governor of Kursk region says the border checkpoint near Elizovetovka village was shelled with mortars

* - The presidents of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia will meet on April 12 in Rzeszów at an extraordinary summit to demonstrate solidarity with Ukraine, said Jakub Kumoch, the head of the President's International Policy Bureau

* - The UK is sending Harpoon anti-ship missiles to Ukraine

* - Another prisoners swap between Ukraine and Russia: 12 Ukrainian military and 14 civilians released from captivity

* - British Prime Minister offers the Ukrainian President with new military assistance consisting of 120 armored vehicles and anti-ship missile systems

* - UK's PM, in Kyiv, offers armoured vehicles, anti-ship missiles: Downing Street

* - Russian Ministry of Defense reports it targeted Maltese-flagged General Cargo Vessel Apache(IMO: 8955586) in Azov Sea with artillery fire after it suspected the vessel in attempt to help "Azov" in Mariupol. The vessel caught fire and later was brought to Yeysk port

* - Aerosoles from the explosion of a cylinder with 4 tons of nitric acid spread towards the positions of the Russian military near Kudryashivka and Varvarivka, there is no threat to population - the head of the Luhansk regional administration

* - Smoke from clashes today near Kherson

* - Ukrainian army repelled Russian attack in Donetsk region, and conducted successful counterattack

* - Mariupol: Accurate mortar fire by Azov targeting Russian supply trucks loaded with ammunition (so the Russians have NOT taken Mariupol)

* - 7 rescued from the rubble as Russian army shelling damaged residential apartment block in Kharkiv

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

* - Russia has appointed Gen. Alexander Dvornikov, who commanded Russian forces in Syria, to oversee its war on Ukraine, a senior U.S. official confirmed on Saturday. His appointment marks the first time a single commander has taken control of the operation in Ukraine, which has faltered amid low morale.

* - Russian troops have lost up to company in attempt to seize Oleksandrivka in Kherson region

* - Global pledging event raises 10.1 bn euros for Ukraine: von der Leyen

* - A Downing Street spokesperson: "The PM has travelled to Ukraine to meet President Zelenskyy in person, in a show of solidarity with the Ukrainian people. They will discuss the UK's long term support to Ukraine and the PM will set out a new package of financial and military aid"

* - Russian shelling again targeted cylinder with nytric acid in Rubizhne. Hazardous condition. Shelter in place, use individual protection equipment

* - British government: Johnson discusses providing more financial and military aid to Ukraine

* - Josep Borrell Fontelles:Touched by the resilience, determination and hospitality of @ZelenskyyUA & @Denys_Shmyhal. I return with a clear to do list: 1. This war will be won on the battlefield. Additional €500 million from the EPF are underway. Weapon deliveries will be tailored to Ukrainian needs

* - Eduard Heger:Slovakia's made a new pledge to help Ukraine: -530 mil.€ to refugees and support Slovakia communities hosting Ukrainians -5 mil.€ for the development of Ukraine regions and internally displaced persons -Globally we support online education platform taught in Ukrainian

* - PM Johnson met with President Zelensky in Kyiv

* - Fires as result of Russian army shelling on Popasna

* - Russian army using suicide drones in Luhansk region

* - Rescuers found bodies of tortured people in Voznesenska Church of Lukashivka village of Chernihiv region, where Russian army had HQ

* - The source is state-funded media. Please, be aware, do not rely on this source without proper objective analysis of facts to form a judgment.
From April 8, the EU countries stopped, the passage of vehicles registered in the Russian Federation and Belarus, - the Federal Customs Service of Russia reported

* - Shelling again in Kharkiv

* - Chancellor of Austria Karl Nehammer met with President Zelensky in Kyiv

* - Russian army shelling Rubizhne, Severodonetsk, Lysychansk. Multiple fires and firefighters cannot extinguish them due to continuous shelling. 1 killed in Severodonetsk, 4 wounded in Rubizhne

* - The European flag flies again above the EU Delegation in Kyiv as Ambassador @MattiMaasikas returns

* - Russian army shelling Lysychansk

* - Missile launches from Belgorod

* - Head of Kharkiv regional administration: about 50 shelling with artillery, mortars, tanks and MLRS in Kharkiv in last 24 hours. Derhachi town also shelled

* - Explosions audible in Kharkiv

* - Explosions audible in Kyiv - as result of utilisation of UXOs found in region - head of regional administration

* - Video of missile launches this morning from Shakhtarsk

* - Video from Zuhres of missile launches

* - Explosions audible in Odesa

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

60 elite Russian paratroopers refused to fight in the invasion of Ukraine, report says

Up to 60 Russian paratroopers from one unit in Pskov province refused to fight in Ukraine, according to independent Russian newspaper Pskovskaya Gubernia.

The troops were fired, and some were threatened with criminal prosecution for desertion or failure to comply with an order, the paper wrote on its Telegram channel.

Insider was unable to verify the report independently.

Pskovskaya Gubernia is a Russian newspaper known for its independent reporting. Amid the country's crackdown on independent media, last month authorities raided the paper's offices and the homes of senior employees, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists.

Local activist Nikolay Kuzmin, who is affiliated with the opposition Yabloko party in Russia, appeared to corroborate the report on Telegram.

Kuzmin said he spoke to a driver who transported some of the paratroopers from Belarus back to Pskov, an important base for Russia's airborne forces.

Russia's military's airborne force, the VDV, has suffered heavy losses in Ukraine, which has dented their previous "elite" status.

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a reply to: Xcathdra

They found out Ukrainians shoot back.

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Xcathdra

They found out Ukrainians shoot back.

Cheers

It is insane that Russia thought Ukraine would just capitulate and not fight back. Russias invasion of Ukraine is, in my opinion, one of the greatest miscalculations I have ever seen.

However I think Putin is going to outdo himself by not pulling his forces from Ukraine and instead doubling down with the mindset Russia is winning. Why would Putin not think that the sanctions will remain in place even if they win the war.

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Russia may well find other "neighbors" more assertive now, especially if Russia gets bogged down in Ukraine over the long term.

Miscalculations. Seems every new generation has to learn the hard way. I thought the other day that Ukraine is taking this beating for all of Europe. Though I don't expect the rest of Europe to express any long-term gratitude. Much like when the Poles thrashed the Red Army in 1920 -- it spared central Europe having to stop the Bolsheviks.

Cheers

originally posted by: Xcathdra
It is insane that Russia thought Ukraine would just capitulate and not fight back. Russias invasion of Ukraine is, in my opinion, one of the greatest miscalculations I have ever seen.

That's groupthink for you. Listening to only what you want to believe creates a fantasy. Sadly for Ukraine, being part of a Russian fantasy has been grim.

* - Pokrovsk(11:32). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Zaporizka Oblast(11:22). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kramatorsk, Zaporizhia(11:29). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast, Poltavska Oblast, Kryvyi Rih, Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast(11:23). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Satellite imagery from @Maxar dated April 8 shows a long Russian military convoy moving south through Velykyi Burluk

* - Russian Ministry of Defense claims destruction S-300 SAM at Chuhuiv airbase and Starobohdanovka in Mykolaiv region. Also claimed destruction of National Guard base in Zvonetske of Dnipropetrovsk region

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All dictators go through that. Putin has been the leader of Russia for the last 20+ years so it was only a matter of time before he started to believe in his own propaganda. Its the same issue Hitler had. Only his opinion matters and if you disagree you get disappeared. During the Nuremberg trials from WWII the top Nazis were interviewed. Goering was specifically asked why no one told Hitler no. He said all the "no" men had already been eradicated from Hitlers circle. The reason no one said no is because they were no longer alive.

In my opinion we are seeing the same thing with Putin. Putin believes he is right and acts but when the actions dont go according to plan someone else gets blamed. Multiple Generals were "fired" by Putin (non combat Generals - pog's)
and the head of the FSB and others in the security services realm are now under house arrest.

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Yes, I agree. The problem going forwards is how does Putin extract himself without humiliation.

We know from past comments and actions that Germany and France think that Ukraine should make concessions to Putin so that he can say to his indoctrinated public that "we won". These concessions are Crimea, the south-east and eastern Ukraine, alongside a promise never to join Nato, or do anything Russia don't like. In that way, everyone will forget about the billions still pouring into Russia from Germany and the EU, and status quo can quickly return.

The other side is no concessions and Ukraine fight and on and make the price of occupying any part of Ukraine very high. They will get ample military aid of increasing sophistication from the US, the UK and other like-minded nations. Easy for me to say, but if this is how Ukraine plays, then it will be a long and complicated future, perhaps only being resolved when Putin dies.

Putin can believe what he wants, but the longer this goes on, the more complicated it will become for him.

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Thank goodness France and Germany are the primary drivers in the EU.

🙄

Nothing, and I mean nothing, has been remembered. Lessons learned and lost. Danke & Merci.

Cheers

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: paraphi

All dictators go through that. Putin has been the leader of Russia for the last 20+ years so it was only a matter of time before he started to believe in his own propaganda. Its the same issue Hitler had. Only his opinion matters and if you disagree you get disappeared. During the Nuremberg trials from WWII the top Nazis were interviewed. Goering was specifically asked why no one told Hitler no. He said all the "no" men had already been eradicated from Hitlers circle. The reason no one said no is because they were no longer alive.

In my opinion we are seeing the same thing with Putin. Putin believes he is right and acts but when the actions dont go according to plan someone else gets blamed. Multiple Generals were "fired" by Putin (non combat Generals - pog's)
and the head of the FSB and others in the security services realm are now under house arrest.

The FSB is the only ones that pose a threat to Putin. They helped him gain power in the first place through a false flag operation just like Hitler. You can see he studied Hitler he used exactly the same tactics. Though there are Russians starting to realize this as Nazi behavior. As this Russian woman said Russians have become the new Nazis.

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: Xcathdra

Yes, I agree. The problem going forwards is how does Putin extract himself without humiliation.

An implausible scenario. If Russia is evicted from Ukraine and Putin remains in power, there will be a delay before another outbreak of war. So in that sense, the situation is akin to the Six-Day War 1967 gave birth to the Yom Kippur War 1973.

We know from past comments and actions that Germany and France think that Ukraine should make concessions to Putin so that he can say to his indoctrinated public that "we won". These concessions are Crimea, the south-east and eastern Ukraine, alongside a promise never to join Nato, or do anything Russia don't like. In that way, everyone will forget about the billions still pouring into Russia from Germany and the EU, and status quo can quickly return.

The revival of Ukrainian nationalism, and Russian war crimes, rule out the possibility of territorial concessions. Moreover, the UK and Poland are the more creditable players, with France and Germany acting like drug addicts entering rehab. Boris Johnson's visit and walk around Kyiv with Zelensky is deeply symbolic. Perhaps Johnson understands his hero Winston Churchill better than I first thought.

The other side is no concessions and Ukraine fight and on and make the price of occupying any part of Ukraine very high. They will get ample military aid of increasing sophistication from the US, the UK and other like-minded nations. Easy for me to say, but if this is how Ukraine plays, then it will be a long and complicated future, perhaps only being resolved when Putin dies.

The destruction of Putin's regime is the endgame, but will WW3 started in the interim?

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I hope that people never forget the way media outlets fawned over Angela Merkel during Trump's presidency and dismissed the Russian threat in 2014. The start of a sick media culture that saw the likes of CNN and MSNBC go from political bias to propaganda outlets. The war in Ukraine might have saved the fake news media from becoming the source of political baby food for zombies.

Some are reporting odd Chinese military movements into Serbia-

Citing commercial flight trackers, US news website thedrive.com reported on Saturday that the six Y-20 aircraft were first spotted heading west in Turkish airspace late Friday night, and later local residents took photos of the Y-20s, which allegedly landed in Nikola Tesla Airport in Belgrade, Serbia.
The aircraft later flew over the Bosphorus Strait in Turkey again on their way back to China. China has not made an official announcement about the mission as of press time, but the Global Times learned that the Y-20s indeed have carried out such a flight.
A whopping six Y-20 large transport aircraft could mark an unprecedented overseas operation, Chinese military observers said.

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And this if true,looks ominous-

Intel just received saying trains along the Trans-Siberian Railroad are loaded with "hundreds of Chinese Main Battle Tanks and other vehicles" headed northwest toward Russia/Europe Borders.
Trains are said to be traveling full speed, with stops only for scheduled refueling and no other delays.

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I don't know if the reports are accurate,but if they are-Is this a sign of China deciding to supply Russia with military equipment for the war in Ukraine?

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Im thinking this is China feeling they need to beef up the Russian border area in mongolia. They have already refused to send Russia any weapons on multiple occasions. However i can see how it would be in their best intrests to have a force near the russian border.
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