Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
Putin has already stated that anyone joining in the war on Ukraines side will be directly at war with Russia.
Of course the UK government know this,yet they seem to have been telling the army to prepare to get directly involved..

They also must know that if we get involved and some of our guys get killed-that may result in an article 5 situation with the rest of NATO drawn into war with Russia.

Is that the plan now?
Was it the plan all along?

Poor plan then, since article 6 clearly states that article 5 would not apply in such a situation.

Not saying that it wouldnt happen anyway but still, the articles are formulated so that it only applies to attacks within the territories of NATO.

25 August Update

Key Takeaways

* Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks northwest and northeast of Slovyansk, northeast and south of Bakhmut, and northwest of Donetsk City.

* Russian forces conducted a limited ground attack in northwestern Kharkiv Oblast.

* Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks in northwestern Kherson Oblast.

* Ukrainian forces continued to target Russian military assets and ground lines of communication (GLOCs) in Kherson Oblast.

* Russian federal subjects (regions) are continuing recruitment efforts for volunteer battalions, which are continuing to deploy to training grounds in Russia and to Ukraine.

* Russian occupation administrators are continuing to take measures to mitigate challenges to their authority and facilitate the economic and educational integration of occupied territories into the Russian system.

More at URL above.

Cheers

A third adaptation by Ukraine is their transition from Soviet era weapons and support systems to NATO systems. This has involved a rapid induction of different anti-armour, air defence, artillery and armoured vehicles from a variety of donors. It has required an extraordinary level of institutional adaptation by the Ukrainians as they not only absorb many different weapon types in a short period of time, but also fully reform their logistic support systems to align with NATO standards. In western military institutions, it can take several years to introduce new weapons and their accompanying training and support elements. That the Ukrainians have been able to do so in a matter of weeks – HIMARS is just one example – speaks to the adaptive capacity the Ukrainian Armed Forces have developed in the past six months.

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The Russian Army and Air Force are searching for military competency in Ukraine. But I am fascinated by how Ukrainians operate older Soviet hardware and military equipment donated by Western Countries. Also, employing commercially available drones is an example of working with what is readily available and not waiting for the perfect platform.

a reply to: xpert11

Necessity is the mother of invention. Or, in this case, adaptation.

Lessons there for the forces of the West, "perfect is the enemy of good enough".

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: xpert11

Necessity is the mother of invention. Or, in this case, adaptation.

Lessons there for the forces of the West, "perfect is the enemy of good enough".

Perfectly stated, old lessons concerning accepting "just good or good enough" equipment are on display. The U.S.-led trend for "perfect" cutting-edge military hardware drove prices and production times to sometimes ridiculous levels. (For instance, per aircraft, the F-35 has an 18-month assembly/production timeline). Also, governments like to spread the cost of significant defence acquisitions over more extended periods for cost reasons, so there are delays in building the likes of new warships.

26 August Update

Key Takeaways

* The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) stated that elements of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) reconnected to the Ukrainian power grid on August 26.

* Russian occupation authorities remain unlikely to successfully conduct sham referenda to annex Ukrainian territory into the Russian Federation by early September, despite reports of advancing preparations for referenda.

* Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks southwest of Izyum, northeast and south of Bakhmut, and on the northwestern outskirts of Donetsk City.

* Ukrainian forces continued targeting Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCS) and military infrastructure in Kherson Oblast which support operations on the west bank of the Dnipro River.

* Russian federal subjects (regions) continued additional recruitment drives for volunteer battalions, which continue to deploy to Ukraine.

* Ukrainian partisans and internal division continue to pose threats to Russian control of occupied territories.

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: merka

They may not be worried about article 5 or 6. Because Putin played has hand and he had a pair if Deuces. Ukraine stopped them cold and forced a retreat in the north.

Nobody is scared of the Russian military anymore.

Bad tactics, bad preparation, nonexistent training but most of all poor logistics.

You can fix the first three in a or so year. But it takes years to fix the BBB problems.

Is the war over? I can't seem to find it in the news cycle anymore... oh well, so who won anyway?

originally posted by: iamthevirus
Is the war over? I can't seem to find it in the news cycle anymore... oh well, so who won anyway?

The MIC did.

a reply to: DoogieHowitzer

But it takes years to fix the BBB problems.

beans, bullets, and bandages, no military can function without them.

a reply to: yuppa

I feel very proud to have helped finance this war under President Joe Biden but midterm elections are approaching fast... sorry folks no time left for you.

27 August Update

Key Takeaways

* Volunteer battalions that comprise Russia’s 3rd Army Corps are likely being prepared to attempt offensive combined arms operations but will likely lack sufficient combat power to make a material difference on the battlefield.

* Ukraine’s Southern Operational Command stated that a 10-person Russian sabotage and reconnaissance group attempted assault operations in Kherson Oblast, indicating that Russian offensive capabilities in Kherson Oblast have degraded further.

* Russian forces conducted a limited ground attack north of Kharkiv City.

* Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks southwest of Izyum, northeast of Siversk, northeast and south of Bakhmut, and west and southwest of Donetsk City.

* Ukrainian forces targeted Russian airborne command-and-control elements in western Kherson Oblast.

* Russian and Ukrainian sources traded accusations of shelling the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.

* Russian military leadership may be shifting to a new phase of mobilization in central Russia and have likely exhausted pools of potential recruits in more peripheral and disenfranchised regions.

* Russian authorities are intensifying law enforcement operations in occupied areas.

More at URL above.

Cheers

How do we drag Russia into the 21st century?

originally posted by: quintessentone
How do we drag Russia into the 21st century?

That's simple... drop a McDonald's and a shopping mall and a Domino's Pizza down into Moscow.

Oh wait, nevermind

28 August Update

Key Takeaways

* Russian President Vladimir Putin issued two decrees in a reported effort to assist stateless peoples and residents of Donbas and Ukraine live and work in the Russian Federation.

* Russian forces conducted unsuccessful offensive operations northwest of Slovyansk.

* Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks southeast of Bakhmut and west and southwest of Donetsk City.

* Russian forces conducted a limited ground attack north of Kharkiv City.

* Russian forces did not conduct any reported offensive operations in Kherson or Zaporizhzhia Oblasts.

* The Kremlin likely directed a media outlet closely affiliated with Moscow to criticize the Governor of St. Petersburg Alexander Beglov for failing to incentivize recruitment to volunteer battalions within the city.

* Russian occupation authorities continued efforts to facilitate the integration of the education system in occupied territories in Ukraine according to Russian standards.

More at URL above.

Cheers

Something to keep an eye on...

Something very serious is definitely happening in the Kherson direction. I do not remember such an intense flow of information about explosions and attacks on Russian positions during the entire war. There are also serious reports about a counteroffensive operations .

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originally posted by: quintessentone
How do we drag Russia into the 21st century?

For Russia to change, it needs a shock that drives real political change. Perhaps a bloody nose in Ukraine will do just that, coupled with the death of Putin. Or, just the economy folding, which is what is happening, coupled with increasing public discontent.

a reply to: iamthevirus

I'm sure they can finance the war after the midterms if they missed out on it earlier, or what are you thinking?

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

In shades of Nazi Germany, the Russian bureaucratic and admin machine is behind the deportation of people from occupied territories. I always find a grim sinking feeling upon considering these matters. As the last of the WW2 generation die out, the ugly spectacle of dictators with a lust for conquest and bloodshed is reincarnated in Putin.

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: iamthevirus

I'm sure they can finance the war after the midterms if they missed out on it earlier, or what are you thinking?

The deed is done, and I'm having a tendency to believe Trump now when he says the invasion would have never happened on his watch.

Bad things alway happen when Democrats take control in this country, world dictators and our adversaries know and perceive them as weak, they always make their moves when Democrats are in office.

Democrats in this country can't even figure out which bathroom they want to use or if they're a boy or a girl.

Republicans are heavy-handed and we have resolve...

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