Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

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ST LOUIS, Missouri, June 17 (Reuters) - The Biden administration's plan to sell four large, armable drones to Ukraine has been paused on the fear its sophisticated surveillance equipment might fall into enemy hands, according to two people familiar with the matter.

The technical objection to the sale was raised during a deeper review by the Pentagon's Defense Technology Security Administration charged with keeping high value technology safe from enemy hands. Previously the plan, which has been circulating since March, had been approved by the White House, three people said.

The decision on whether or not to continue with the deal is now being reviewed higher up the chain of command at the Pentagon, but the timing of any decision is uncertain, one of the people a U.S. official said on condition of anonymity.

One solution to move the sale forward would be to swap out the existing radar and sensor package for something less sophisticated, but that could take months to complete, one of the sources.

I was wondering about the tech security issue.

a reply to: Grimpachi

They will just downgrade the tech in question and that's that.

a reply to: Xcathdra

That is what the article says. It also says doing so can take months. IMO I don't think they want them to get their hands on the encryption software, communication hardware, and optics, the radar tech is just an excuse.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Russia and China already got there hands on it a few years ago when Iran was able to hack our drones and landed them in Iran.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I believe that was Iran and a stealth drone. China got the plans between 2010 and 2013. Do you think nothing has been updated since then that they wouldn't like to get their hands on?

a reply to: Grimpachi

I said it was Iran.. It's guaranteed the Russians and Chinese were included on the disassembly / reverse engineering / analyzing the electronics / computer system.

Sure and those updates are most likely deployed on our drones however I doubt the software is updated yearly / monthly.

17 June update

Key Takeaways

* Russian forces continued to launch unsuccessful ground assaults against Severodonetsk and its southeastern outskirts on June 17.

* Russian forces continued efforts to sever Ukrainian lines of communication to Lysychansk, both from the north toward Slovyansk and in the south near Bakhmut.

* Ukrainian forces are likely conducting a counteroffensive northwest of Izyum intended to draw Russian forces away from offensive operations toward Slovyansk and disrupt Russian supply lines and are making minor gains.

* Ukrainian forces and aviation continued to strike Russian logistics and fortifications in occupied settlements along the Southern Axis, with localized fighting ongoing.

* Russian forces continued to regroup and transfer personnel within Zaporizhia Oblast to maintain defensive positions along the frontline.

* Russian President Putin reaffirmed his commitment to “completing” the Russian operation in Ukraine but acknowledged that unspecified new Russian tactics (which are likely simply explanations for poor Russian performance) will take time.

* Unconfirmed Ukrainian sources reported that the Kremlin fired the commander of the Russian Airborne Forces, Colonel-General Andrey Serdyukov, due to poor performance.

More at URL above.

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2

Key Takeaways

* Ukrainian military intelligence reported that Russian forces are no longer operating as concrete battalion tactical groups (BTGs), as ISW previously assessed.

So what are they operating as? Ad-hoc units or?

I wonder as well. That statement could mean their unit cohesion is so low that they can't operate as BTGs any more, or it could be a shift to less rigid organization (like German Kampfgruppen in World War II). The latter case, though, requires good small-unit leadership capable of exercising initiative ...

Cheers

well then, we can rule out the last possibility immediately.

a reply to: Xcathdra

My guess is they're having cohesion issues. The old teams are broken because of casualties and the Russian system has been feeding in broken remnants of other units. That will tend to form competing gangs within the unit structure and promote the emergence of informal leaders who probably have no great interest in supporting the chain of command unless a gun is pointed at them.

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* - New wave of missile strikes against Kremenchuk refinery- regional head

* - Explosions now reported in Kharkiv

* - Missile launch reported in Belgorod region, possible air defense

* - Head of Luhansk administration: Bakhmut-Lysychansk road is under constant fire control of Russian troops, it is not passable

* - Ukrainian paramedic Yulia Payevska (Tyra), who was captured by the Russians in mid-March in Mariupol, has been released from captivity - she is already at home, - said President Zelensky

* - President Volodymyr Zelensky met with PM Boris Johnson in Kyiv

* - Ammunition warehouse exploded in Donetsk

* - Lukashenka threatens to strike Kyiv, in case of Ukrainian strike in Mozyr

* - This event is known propaganda, displayed for awareness
Lukashenka claims Poland plans to seize Western regions of Ukraine, so Belarus to respond

* - President Zelensky: Ukraine introduces visa regime with Russian Federation starting 1st July

* - The European Commission recommends granting Ukraine "candidate status" (to potentially join the EU) but with the following conditions:

* - Security Service of Ukraine conducted a special operation in Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa, Zaporizhia, as well as in Dnipropetrovsk and Vinnytsia regions, 19 suspected Russian agents detained

* - Ursula von der Leyen: We recommend to give Ukraine the candidate status, on the understanding that the country will carry out a number of important reforms. Ukraine has clearly shown commitment to live up to European values and standards. And embarked, before the war, on its way towards the EU

* - 2 killed, 20 wounded as result of Russian army shelling in Mykolaiv

* - Ukrainian TB2 UCAV footage showing two missile strikes reportedly on the Russian Vasily Bekh rescue ship that was carrying a Tor-M2KM air defense system that was headed to Snake Island

* - Fires in Kyivsky district of Donetsk after shelling

* - Ukrainian military hit tug "Vasily Bekh" on her way to Zmiiny island

* - 2 Russian missiles hit houses in central Mykolaiv

* - Russian troops shelled 11 towns in Donetsk region yesterday, 2 people wounded

* - At Pivdenny Buh direction Russian army shelled Kulbakine, Mykolaivka, Stepova Dolyna, Murakhivka, Novopavlivske, Shevchenkove, Zorya, Partyzanske, Kvitneve, Novohryhorivka, Kyselivka, Knyazivka, Osokorivka, Lupareve and Posad-Pokrovske, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Russian aviation conducted airstrikes near New York, Avdiyivka and Pobeda, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Bakhmut direction Russian army attempted to assault Zolote, Vasylivka and Berestove, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
* - Stopfake - Countering Russian propaganda about Ukraine
* - MilitaryLand - Maps

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

a reply to: Xcathdra

With Biden "in charge", the Russians had better leave "New York" alone ... the potential for confusion could have unfortunate results.

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Cheers

Belarus already participated in the invasion of Ukraine. I see they are trying to adopt Russia's mindset that it is just not fair for Ukraine to attack anything on Russian, or Belarusian soil.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Xcathdra

With Biden "in charge", the Russians had better leave "New York" alone ... the potential for confusion could have unfortunate results.

🤯

Cheers

I would wager Biden doesnt know the difference, or the fact there is a New York in Ukraine.

Commander of the Airborne Forces fired in Russia due to heavy losses among paratroopers – ISW

The Kremlin continues to look for “extreme” in the failed war in Ukraine. So, the commander of the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation, Colonel-General Andrey Serdyukov, was fired from his post for massive losses. in the ranks of Russian paratroopers.

Referring to their own sources, informs American Institute for the Study of War (ISW).

It is known that Serdyukov probably led the operation to seize the Crimea in 2014, later – from April to September 2019 – led the Russian military group in Syria. In January 2022, under his leadership, the CSTO contingent was brought into Kazakhstan to suppress protests.

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“Serdyukov was blamed for the low efficiency and high losses among the Russian airborne units in Ukraine, especially during operations in the first weeks after the large-scale invasion near Kyiv,” the ISW notes.

It is noted that it was under his leadership that more than 60% of all armored personnel carriers of the Russian Airborne Forces near Kyiv were destroyed, and after the retreat, he sent paratroopers, without resuming combat readiness, to the Kharkov direction, where a new motto was finally assigned to the Airborne Forces: “no one but us, but we After you”.

Andrey Serdyukov has been the commander of the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation since October 4, 2016, and in May 2017 he was included in the sanctions list of Ukraine.
Mikhail Teplinskiy became the new commander of the Russian Airborne Forces / photo t.me/a_shtirlitz
Mikhail Teplinskiy became the new commander of the Russian Airborne Forces / photo t.me/a_shtirlitz

According to ISW, Serdyukov was replaced by the chief of staff of the Central Military District, Colonel-General Mikhail Teplinsky, a native of the Donetsk region.

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The replacement's, Colonel-General Mikhail Teplinsky, background - From 2013

February 19 in the city of Ulan-Ude Admiral Konstantin Sidenko, Commander of the Eastern Military District (VVO), introduced the new Army Commander, Major-General Mikhail Teplinsky, appointed to this post by the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation, and officers of the 36 Army commanders and commanders of military units and military units of the XNUMX Army. solemnly handed him a standard.

Mikhail Y. Teplinsky was born on January 9 1969 in the Donetsk region. He graduated from the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School, All-Arms Academy of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

He consistently went through all the stages of service from the platoon commander of the parachute regiment to the head of staff - first deputy commander of the combined army of the Western Military District.

Awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation. He was awarded the Order of Courage, the medal "For Courage", the medal of the Order "For Services to the Fatherland" II degree, other medals.

a reply to: Xcathdra

The Russians screwed up several aspects of the invasion, most of which are consequences of the mistaken assumption that Ukraine would quickly collapse. They successfully disinformed themselves by believing their own propaganda.

Cheers

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Grimpachi

I said it was Iran.. It's guaranteed the Russians and Chinese were included on the disassembly / reverse engineering / analyzing the electronics / computer system.

Sure and those updates are most likely deployed on our drones however I doubt the software is updated yearly / monthly.

Well it wasnt a hack it was a spoof using a laser and a high power transmitter.

a reply to: Xcathdra

From the fragmented or little information available, Russian airborne forces faced an Operation Market Garden-type setback on a larger scale. The distance between the airborne troops in Kyiv and advancing Russian forces in western Ukraine was far too great. So there was no chance of the airborne troops holding on long enough for the arrival of the main axis of Russian ground troops.

Also, the Ukrainians enjoyed eight years preparing for contingencies with the benefits of a mindset toward Mission Command and overthinking the Russians.

Moreover, Russian military planners ignored the possible or likely causalities resulting from employing paratroops to seize areas that are expecting trouble. During the fall of Crete (1941), German paratroopers incurred 70% or more causalities in a narrowly won battle.

a reply to: xpert11

Part of it was the Russian expectation that Ukraine would be a pushover.

The paras at Hostomel weren't supposed to hold out. It was expected they along with some Spetsnaz troops would move swiftly into Kiev while a panicked Ukrainian government took off for western countries. The mech troops were there as a show of force and to combat what was expected to be fragmented and futile resistance.

Putin expected, I think, the operation to mimic that in Prague in 1968.

Had the Soviets done something like this in 1991, they might have succeeded as they did in Prague. But 30+ years down the road meant a completely different situation and international outlook had emerged.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I admit that I didn't expect Ukraine to hold off the Russian invasion in the long term. Nor did I think that Zelensky would display Churchill-type qualities as a wartime leader. But Putin and Russian military planners' 72-hour timetable for the war was unrealistic under favourable conditions. The Fall of France, 1940 lasted six weeks, and the Fall of Singapore, 1942 was cumulative after the Malayan campaign. Both of those instances were disastrous for the defenders.

At best, the Russians faced a three-month campaign in Ukraine, but that was if their logistical constraints didn't stall their efforts. Interestingly, on a similar theme, Japanese forces came within hours of running out of artillery shells, before the fighting in Singapore ended, with Percival waving the white flag.

I will have to read up on the Soviet crackdown in Prague in 1968.