Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

a reply to: Xcathdra

Are you saying that because of what they showed or is it just your opinion?

a reply to: Grimpachi

I ask you the same question..

Are you saying that because of what the Russian MoD showed or is it just your opinion?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Part of what they show determines what I believe. For anything more specific you need to point to a specific instance.

Such as me pointing to the video you posted of the bridge being blown up and asking a question.

Now you.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Russia has already claimed that all the bridges into the city had been destroyed.

www.theguardian.com...

300 multiple rocket launchers

Which is about half of what is currently in the US arsenal.

1,000 howitzers

Would be everything we have and we would still be short by 1.

500 tanks

That one we could do and still have a surplus.

Ukraine has a big appetite. I started to break down the cost but systems vary so I gave up.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Grimpachi

Russia has already claimed that all the bridges into the city had been destroyed.

Yes, they have been destroyed. That wasn't in question nor what I asked.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

Seems like Russia has quite a few refuseniks:

SHHhhh... We can't talk about that.

a reply to: Grimpachi

No its the Russian lie.. its the exact same lie they used in Mariupol.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Grimpachi

No its the Russian lie.. its the exact same lie they used in Mariupol.

You are now claiming that bridges being destroyed are a Russian lie?

You claimed Russia blew up the bridges.

I asked you if you believe that because of the video you posted while making the claim.

Now you claim it is a Russian lie.

That is all very incoherent.

14 June update

Key Takeaways

* Russian military authorities are pursuing options to increase the available pool of eligible recruits to account for continued personnel losses in Ukraine.

* Russian forces are continuing to fight for control of the Azot industrial plant and have destroyed all bridges between Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, likely to isolate the remaining Ukrainian defenders within the city from critical lines of communication.

* Russian forces continue to prepare for offensive operations southeast of Izyum and west of Lyman toward Slovyansk.

* Russian forces are continuing offensive operations to the east of Bakhmut near the T1302 highway to cut Ukrainian lines of communication to Severodonetsk-Lysychansk.

* Russian forces continued offensive operations to push Ukrainian troops away from frontlines northeast of Kharkiv City.

* Ukrainian counterattacks have forced Russian troops on the Southern Axis to take up and strengthen defensive positions.

More at URL above.

Cheers

⚡️Today, the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out a strike on civilian infrastructure in Chernobaevka, Kherson region.
2 civilians were killed and 5 civilians were injured in the area of the stadium and the central market.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine, realizing the critical situation, have recently been trying to bring destruction to civilian infrastructure.

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a reply to: Grimpachi

nice try.. I am saying Russia destroyed the bridges and is lying about Ukraine blowing the bridges. Its the exact same bs Russia lied about with Mariupol. Where Russia claimed Ukrainian leadership would not let them surrender.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Oh, I get it.

It is your opinion not based on evidence.

You could have just said that to begin with.

Fair enough, I thought that maybe you were basing it on the fraudulent MSM video you posted where they showed the "NOT" Severodonetsk and Lysychansk bridge being destroyed.

* - 7 wounded as result of Russian shelling in Kharkiv region yesterday

* - Russian authorities accuse Ukraine in shelling of Krupets border post in Rylsk district of Kursk region (once again Russia throws a temper tantrum because their side of the border was attacked).

* - 4 people killed, 1 wounded as result of Russian shelling in Apostolove of Dnipropetrovsk region

* - Russian army shelled Kryvyi Rih district with MLRS Uragan and conducted 2 missile strikes in Novomoskovsk district

* - Prime Minister Morawiecki after the meeting of a group of EU NATO states: we have not done enough to defend Ukraine; I am calling for further arms supplies to this country

* - Russian army shelled Trudolyubivka, Tokareve, Bashtanka, Kvitneve, Luch, Tavriyske and Oleksandrivka at Pivdenny Buh direction, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Biden says US working on a plan to get grain out of Ukraine by rail. It can't be shipped "because it'll get blown out of the water." Ukraine has a rail gauge different from tracks in Europe, "so we're going to build silos, temporary silos, on the borders, including in Poland

* - Russian army shelled Avdiyivka, Maryinka and Huliaipole. Conducted airstrikes near Sribne and Mali Sherbaky, conducted reconnaissance near Pavlivka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Russian army attempted to assault Berestove and assault on Zolote ongoing, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - At Bakhmut direction Russian army shelled Ukrainian positions with mortars, howitzers and MLRS near Mykolaivka, Berestove, Vrubivka, Pokrovske and New York. Military aviation conducted airstrike near Bilohorivka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - At Sieverodonetsk direction Russian forces shelled Sieverodonetsk, Lysychansk, Bila Hora, Ustynivka, Toshkivka and other. Helicopters conducted airstrike near Metyolkine. Battles ongoing in Sieverodonetsk, Russian forces brought more reinforcement - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report (But wait.. Didn't the Russian MoD declare a few times now they controlled all of Sieverodonetsk? Kind of like they did in Mariupol)

* - At Lyman direction Russian artillery shelled Siversk, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - At Sloviansk direction Russian army shelled Tetyanivka, Chapel, Dolyna, Dibrivne and Bohorodychne, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - At Kharkiv direction Russian forces shelled Dementiyivka, Ruska Lozova, Mospanove, Bazalivka, attempting to assault Rubizhne, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Russian forces shelled with mortars Mykhalchyna Sloboda in Chernihiv region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Russian ammunition warehouse destroyed in Nova Kakhovka

* - Russian army shelled Zolochiv in Kharkiv region

* - Ukrainian air defence shot down Russian missile over Zolochiv, Lviv region. Debris damaged brick plant. 4 wounded, including 1 child

* - Ukrainian military shot down Russian Tochka missile over Chernihiv region

* - Cruise missile shot down by Ukrainian air defence in Khmelnitsky region. Preliminary no damage, no casualties

* - Ukrainian air defence shot down a missile between Chernihiv and Kyiv regions

* - Ukrainian air defence shot down Russian missile over Zolochiv, Lviv region. Debris damaged civilian object

* - EU sanctions take effect: Sberbank, the Russian Agricultural Bank, and the Moscow Credit Bank have been cut off from SWIFT

* - Kremlin on call of occupation authorities in parts of Donetsk region of Ukraine for additional military assistance says it is responsibility of Russian Ministry of Defence, not Kremlin (Sound like Putin is now starting to distance himself from his failed war and is gearing up to shift blame to the fake Republics).

Unconfirmed reports - of Ukrainian forces were able to successfully target a Russia military supply train (soldiers/equipment/vehicles) that entered Ukraine from the Northeast. Lots of destroyed equipment / neutralized Russian soldiers from the cars that were hit. It was targeted with the new artillery.

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
* - Stopfake - Countering Russian propaganda about Ukraine
* - MilitaryLand - Maps

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Oh, I get it.

Mmm no you don't but that's ok. You guys are having a bad enough time on day 111 of Putins 5 day war.

a reply to: Xcathdra

(But wait.. Didn't the Russian MoD declare a few times now they controlled all of Sieverodonetsk? Kind of like they did in Mariupol)

No, the Azot plant just like Azovstal remains their territory. Just like Azovstal, they have civilian hostages in the bunker.

Another large fire at a Moscow plant. This time a paint and varnish outfit in Odintsovo.

Russians are positively becoming firebugs.

Cheers

a reply to: Grimpachi

No Ukraine troops do not have Ukrainian hostage, no matter how many times you make a false statement it does not get more believable. The only way for your claim to be true is if Russia is holding Ukrainians hostage, just like they did in Mariupol.

and Yes, Russia has claimed a few times they have taken / have total control over the city. Just like when they lied about the same claim in Mariupol.

a reply to: Xcathdra

When Ukraine holds civilians against their will while holding guns and make demands Russia to negotiate for their release it is definitely not a hostage situation.

Only in clown world.

At Azovstal they did exactly like the Syrians did and demanded 1 ton of food and medicine for every 15 people released. Russia refused. The first 25 hostages that left Azovstal came out and on video stated they escaped when Azov terrorists were not in the area.