Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: dragonridr

Here is a strange one, Zelensky talking with Elton, did the cleaning lady leave some detergent on the desk. Or was it added digitally? www.bitchute.com...

You do realize that was added digitally to the scene. Or the alternative is Ukraine has invented coke that can move on its own. the whole pile magically moves as its zooming into the screen. Dont think I want to put moving coke anywhere near me seen one to many horror movies.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Claimed range and accuracy by the manufacturer. In reality this level of performance cannot be attained. Just like Pfizer claimed their vaccine is super duper 95% effective. In reality it's nowhere close. More than 50% tops. Artillery are used typically no more than 10 km from target, regardless of guided rounds or not.

a reply to: fuzz4262

It can be attained. What they are not mentioning is with that type of charge they are reducing the lifespan of the cannon.

By what degree can't be guessed. For that range, it is probably worth the tradeoff.

originally posted by: fuzz4262
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Claimed range and accuracy by the manufacturer. In reality this level of performance cannot be attained. Just like Pfizer claimed their vaccine is super duper 95% effective. In reality it's nowhere close. More than 50% tops. Artillery are used typically no more than 10 km from target, regardless of guided rounds or not.

When the US govt releases specs its the low end meaning it can go further how much would be classified. Russia exaggerates the capabilities US military always tries to publicly downplay capabilities.

originally posted by: fuzz4262
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Claimed range and accuracy by the manufacturer. In reality this level of performance cannot be attained. Just like Pfizer claimed their vaccine is super duper 95% effective. In reality it's nowhere close. More than 50% tops. Artillery are used typically no more than 10 km from target, regardless of guided rounds or not.

You REALLY don't appear to understand what Excalibur is.

It's barely an exaggeration to say 'inches' at 40 miles, and I've seen it done at Yuma.

Now that better targeting tech (drone tech that's still science fiction to russia) is available (or soon will be, we don't quite have the required range yet), there's no real engineering challenge to achieving a CEP of those same 'inches' from 200 miles, in nearly any conditions, with the first round.

This thing drops EXACTLY where you tell it to, regardless of distance to target

This isn't your father's artillery.



But again, it doesn't appear that we've given Ukraine any Excalibur yet.



Though what we did give them has nearly identical first round accuracy because they have exactly the same guidance system, which means the same first round precision at any distance to target within the stated range, they just don't have that extended range via rocket.



ETA: It might help to 'think' of Excalibur as a super mini GPS & video guided ballistic (or even cruise) missile, that achieved this impossible miniaturization by using a traditional artillery charge to get it's initial speed and altitude before firing it's rocket.




We can also fire them in a way that 50+ (not allowed to define '+') will all drop within milliseconds of each other from a standard NATO sized battery, anywhere within the stated max range, with each one dropping within 'inches' of 50'+' individual targets.

We can keep firing them with identical range and precision, each at individual targets, at a continuous rate of nearly 2000 rounds per hour, for 3.5 hours, and then simply abandon the inexpensive worn out battery.



Oh yeah, we can also air drop massive (absolutely ridiculous) numbers of these units anywhere on the planet whenever we choose to do so, regardless of who tries to prevent it.




100% Game Changer.

Especially when near future tech will allow that 200+ mile range.




Starting to understand how absurdly outmatched russia is vs NATO yet?

Please tell the putin madman to knock off the Silly threats, it was funny at first, but now we're starting think he might actually be 100% insane and completely believing his own fake propaganda.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: fuzz4262

It can be attained. What they are not mentioning is with that type of charge they are reducing the lifespan of the cannon.

By what degree can't be guessed. For that range, it is probably worth the tradeoff.

Excalibur doesn't harm the tube as a result of that extended range, the charge is exactly the same as a traditional round, and Excalibur's rocket doesn't fire until it's outside the barrel.

It's that rocket that gets Excalibur the extended range, not a larger explosive charge.

* - At Kharkiv direction Russian army shelled areas North and North-east to Kharkiv city, as well as Ruski Tyshky, Cherkasky Tyshky, Ruska Lozova, Pytomnyk, Borschova and Peremoha areas , - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Russian aviation conducted airstrikes at Zapsillia, Myropillia of Sumy region and artillery shelled Kindrativka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - 2 missile strikes overnight at already damaged railway bridge in Zatoka, Odesa region

* - Echelon with T-72B tanks in Melitopol

* - Thousands of Ukrainians have gathered in front of the Brandenburg Gate for a benefit concert against the war

* - Russian Investigative committee says serviceman wounded as result of Ukrainian drone strike in Hornal village of Kursk region yesterday

* - Borrell: We will discuss with the European Council the impact of the Russian military operation on global food security

* - No agreement among EU ambassadors today on the 6th sanctions package on Russia. They meet again tomorrow morning

* - Echelon with T-80BV tanks in Rostov-on-Don

* - At Mykolaiv direction Russian troops pushing more reinforcement to regain positions near Andriivka, Bilohirka and Bila Krynytsa. Combat drone used near Stara Bohdanivka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - At Kryvyi Rih direction Russian forces shelled Trudolyubivka, Mala Shesternya, Dobryanka, Knyazivka, Tokareve, Shyroke, Pervomaiske, Kotlyarevo, Novohryhorivka, Tavriyske and Posad-Pokrovske with mortars, MLRS and howitzers, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - At Bakhmut direction Russian forces shelled areas of Komyshuvakha, Dolomytne and New York with mortars, howitzers and MLRS. Russian aviation conducted airstrike near Berestove and Pokrovske, conducted 4 missile strikes at Verhnekamianske, Vrubivka and Soledar, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Russian aviation conducted airstrike near Ustynivka, in Sieverodonetsk Russian forces attempting to hold ground at north-east outskirts of the city, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Russian forces conducted offensive actions towards Pasika-Bohorodychne, shelled Velyka Komyshuvakha, Dovhenke and Virnopillia with artillery and mortars, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - At Kharkiv direction Russian army used howitzers and rocket systems, conducted airstrike against Prudyanka village, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Russian troops shelled Senkivka, Hirsk, Hrinivka, Hasychivka of Chernihiv region, Bachivsk, Seredyna Buda, Boyaro-Lezhachi and Manukhivka of Sumy region - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Explosion reported near Kharkiv

* - 2 civilians killed, 1 wounded as result of road accident with military truck in Valuyki, Belgorod region

* - Explosions again in Mykolaiv

* - President Zelensky visited military in Kharkiv region

* - Russian troops shelled residential areas of Mykolaiv, there are casualties, - mayor

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
* - Stopfake - Countering Russian propaganda about Ukraine
* - MilitaryLand - Maps

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

So Russia upped the age limitation in order to get mor3e bodies for Putin's war in addition to doing a nationwide hybrid mobilization. The conscripts who will have the hybrid conscription will only receive 30 days of training and then sent to the front.

If we thought Russia was taking bad losses in terms of manpower its going to get a lot worse. This is a play directly from Stalin's, as well as Hitlers, playbook. For Hitlers playbook it was near the end of the war with the attacks on Berlin. For Stalins playbook it was you must advance and anyone retreating will be shot by their own forces. I am seeing Russian pow's talk about how they are not allowed to retreat from contact and to stand their ground.

That mindset is what caused Hitler to lose the war on the Eastern front.

So once again we have seen this movie before.... It's like growing up with the original movie Red Dawn and then watching the remake.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: fuzz4262

It can be attained. What they are not mentioning is with that type of charge they are reducing the lifespan of the cannon.

By what degree can't be guessed. For that range, it is probably worth the tradeoff.

Excalibur doesn't harm the tube as a result of that extended range, the charge is exactly the same as a traditional round, and Excalibur's rocket doesn't fire until it's outside the barrel.

It's that rocket that gets Excalibur the extended range, not a larger explosive charge.

The very article you linked talked quite a bit about the charge so it is not the same charge as before. Your article also stated that with the new charge the existing rounds in-stock can attain those ranges. Again, that is evidence of a higher charge.

Go ahead and read the article and see if you can come up with a different explanation.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: fuzz4262

It can be attained. What they are not mentioning is with that type of charge they are reducing the lifespan of the cannon.

By what degree can't be guessed. For that range, it is probably worth the tradeoff.

Excalibur doesn't harm the tube as a result of that extended range, the charge is exactly the same as a traditional round, and Excalibur's rocket doesn't fire until it's outside the barrel.

It's that rocket that gets Excalibur the extended range, not a larger explosive charge.

The very article you linked talked quite a bit about the charge so it is not the same charge as before. Your article also stated that with the new charge the existing rounds in-stock can attain those ranges. Again, that is evidence of a higher charge.

Go ahead and read the article and see if you can come up with a different explanation.

I said 'typical' not 'identical'.

(ETA: I also said 'traditional' in one post)



The different charge had to do with a slight mass change in the round, because of newer rocket tech, not using a larger charge directly to get additional range.



I don't vouch article I posted, it isn't actually very well written IMO, but given the specific topic, for a specific reason, I felt it was necessary to post something containing a certain bit that was already in the public domain before continuing this discussion.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The problem with repeatedly lying to someone on small issues is that they have no reason to believe you on bigger ones.

You linked an article that directly contradicts you. It even states that the testing was being done on how much the electronics inside it could handle the new charge. The rocket would be less of an issue as it wouldn't exert as much force as actually firing it from the cannon.

I am not even sure why we are talking about Excaliber rounds when the M777s were stripped of the computer fire control systems that work in tandem with those rounds before being given to UA.

That is not a piece of tech that the US seems willing to risk losing to Ru.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The problem with repeatedly lying to someone on small issues is that they have no reason to believe you on bigger ones.

You linked an article that directly contradicts you. It even states that the testing was being done on how much the electronics inside it could handle the new charge. The rocket would be less of an issue as it wouldn't exert as much force as actually firing it from the cannon.

I am not even sure why we are talking about Excaliber rounds when the M777s were stripped of the computer fire control systems that work in tandem with those rounds before being given to UA.

That is not a piece of tech that the US seems willing to risk losing to Ru.

The problem with your 'repeated liar' claim, is that I never once lied.

The article does not 'contradict' me, you simply don't understand what it says.




Stop thinking of it as artillery.

M777 is just the launcher, and that artillery charge is something similar to an S300s 'catapult' on mega steroids, or maybe a super duper sized pressurized sub launch tube.

Once Excalibur has enough speed and altitude (which doesn't take all that much), the 'artillery' bits have very little to do with what Excalibur is.

From that point on it's a precision GPS and video guided missile carrying an 'artillery' warhead.




I've previously said so, but it's probably worth repeating.



We sent 'Excalibur' rounds without the rocket, but with exactly the same guidance package.

We didn't send the 'extended range' versions because we still don't completely trust the UA, and didn't want them firing any deeper into russia than belgorod, not because we were worried about russians capturing them.




They were initially designed to shoot at russia, we aren't worried about them capturing any.

It's safe to assume that russia had them in their hands long before russia invaded Ukraine anyway.

They don't have any ability to use them against us or copy the tech, way too many 'generations' behind for now.

a reply to: Xcathdra


There's a remake?

Why would it ever need a remake?

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Xcathdra


There's a remake?

Why would it ever need a remake?

Because current movie makers have 0 originality and would rather destroy the original movies than face facts (kind of like some people in this thread)..

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Xcathdra


There's a remake?

Why would it ever need a remake?

Because current movie makers have 0 originality and would rather destroy the original movies than face facts (kind of like some people in this thread)..

So you don't recommend the remake?


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29 May update

Key Takeaways

* Russian forces continued attempts to take full control of Severodonetsk.

* Russian forces continued offensives southeast of Izyum but did not make any confirmed advances toward Slovyansk.

* Russian forces continued offensive operations to cut Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) northeast of Bakhmut and appear unlikely to attempt to directly assault the city.

* The Ukrainian counteroffensive in northwestern Kherson Oblast has forced Russian troops to take up defensive positions and will likely disrupt Russian efforts to effectively dig in and consolidate control of occupied areas along the Southern Axis.

More at URL above.

Cheers

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: fuzz4262
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Claimed range and accuracy by the manufacturer. In reality this level of performance cannot be attained. Just like Pfizer claimed their vaccine is super duper 95% effective. In reality it's nowhere close. More than 50% tops. Artillery are used typically no more than 10 km from target, regardless of guided rounds or not.

When the US govt releases specs its the low end meaning it can go further how much would be classified. Russia exaggerates the capabilities US military always tries to publicly downplay capabilities.

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originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Xcathdra


There's a remake?

Why would it ever need a remake?

Because current movie makers have 0 originality and would rather destroy the original movies than face facts (kind of like some people in this thread)..

So you don't recommend the remake?


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lol nope...

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


Are there any reports of russians hurling thermobarics North of Kherson in the past 24 hours?

It seems either they reached the launchers, or the launchers retreated and are no longer able to hurl those horrible things across the river, or at potential large scale river crossing attempts.




Takes one hell of a World Class Patriot to run straight at those things under (and ignoring) unrelenting heavy fire, not many would, or even could try, and almost none would ever have any chance of pulling it off.

Even attempting something that insane is... I don't have any words.