Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

originally posted by: fuzz4262
Kievan Rus stated no negotiation with Moscovite Rus unless Moscovite Rus withdraws all army from Kievan Rus. So this si why I think this conflict is here to stay just like covid is here to stay.

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Ukraine has said the same exact thing for months, and the putin madman appears to be losing what's left of his mind over it.

putin's palestinian game failed, and it failed because of US, right here, and everywhere else that followed OUR example, defeating the russian propaganda machine that putin had thought would leave Ukraine defenseless.

Failed Kievan Rus offensive at Kherson. Brings the many failed Hama offensives by rebels in Syria vibes.

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Moscovite Rus shoot truck launched Iskander cruise missiles. These have 500 km range and can come in handy for smashing Kievan Rus 155 mm howitzers and HIMARS MRLS purchased from America.

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Moscovite Rus 203 mm howitzers and 240 mm mortars in Donbas. These out range and out gun Kievan Rus 155 mm howitzers and 120 mm mortars purchased from America.

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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: fuzz4262

. Back in Vietnam and Afghanistan in the 70s and 80s there was no such thing as drone

Drone's have been around since 1917.

The Aerial Target, a British radio-controlled aircraft from the First World War. Its remote control components, which were designed by Dr Archibald Low, are part of IWM’s collection (see AIR 567 to AIR 571). It became the first drone to fly under control when it was tested in March 1917. The pilot on this occasion was the future world speed record holder Henry Segrave

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Thanks for the brain food!

I was aware of some things done in ww2, which have always fascinated me, but had no idea that the roots of those actions went back to 1917.

Moscovite Rus claim they smashed some Kievan Rus FH70 155 mm howitzers purchased from Italy. The strike was guided by Orlan drones.

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Here is an update for the fighting today. Ukraine has started counterattacks.

originally posted by: fuzz4262
Moscovite Rus 203 mm howitzers and 240 mm mortars in Donbas. These out range and out gun Kievan Rus 155 mm howitzers and 120 mm mortars purchased from America.

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No they don't Ukraine was given precision munitions with the howitzers that can reach 57 kilometers. The 203s max out at 47.5 km. The other advantage is they can land a round the moment those 203s fire.

a reply to: dragonridr

Excalibur range 40 km, same as Kransnopol D which is GPS guided. Tomahawk can make an impact. Tomahawk range 2,000 km. Can reach Moscow from Kiev.

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Here is a strange one, Zelensky talking with Elton, did the cleaning lady leave some detergent on the desk. Or was it added digitally? www.bitchute.com...

a reply to: dragonridr

This man reminds people of Baghdad Bob. The very definition of a self centered bad analyst.

Moscovite Rus Alligator artillery smashers at the Severodonetsk Lisichansk front. These are getting phase out in favor of drones which do not pose a risk to pilots despite the choppers having equipped with ejection seats, but for the time being they will do.

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a reply to: anonentity

here is the real video,

first a side by side,
Tweet

then the whole thing,
Zelensky

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: fuzz4262
Moscovite Rus 203 mm howitzers and 240 mm mortars in Donbas. These out range and out gun Kievan Rus 155 mm howitzers and 120 mm mortars purchased from America.

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No they don't Ukraine was given precision munitions with the howitzers that can reach 57 kilometers. The 203s max out at 47.5 km. The other advantage is they can land a round the moment those 203s fire.

The latest Excalibur version we are allowed to discuss has a range of 70km (40+ miles), with a reported CEP of 4 (12 feet)

You read that correct, 12 foot precision at 40 miles.



Pro Tip: DoD does not allow the reporting of CEP under 4 for any system, anytime you see U.S. manufacturers reporting a CEP of 4 on just about anything, it's pretty safe to assume that the actual CEP is significantly smaller.

In reality, this thing can be dropped into a 55 gallon drum from 40 miles, without scratching the sides on the way in, with the first shot.

A CEP of less than 0.5




As far as I know, we haven't given Ukraine any version of Excalibur yet though.





Pro Tip 2: Due to the unique technology used in Excalibur, there are no real engineering challenges to producing or using one in the 100+ mile (mile not km) range with that same first round CEP of '4'.

The only real challenge has been precision targeting at that range, and based on the success of some of the tech we see on display in Ukraine, I don't think targeting will be a challenge very long (for the West), even in the 200 mile range.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: dragonridr

Here is a strange one, Zelensky talking with Elton, did the cleaning lady leave some detergent on the desk. Or was it added digitally? www.bitchute.com...

That is digital

originally posted by: fuzz4262
a reply to: dragonridr

Excalibur range 40 km, same as Kransnopol D which is GPS guided. Tomahawk can make an impact. Tomahawk range 2,000 km. Can reach Moscow from Kiev.

You are confusing KM and Miles.

They are very different things.

originally posted by: fuzz4262
a reply to: dragonridr

This man reminds people of Baghdad Bob. The very definition of a self centered bad analyst.

How so?



Have you met russian rob yet?

The latest Russian anti-roof anti-tank mines PTKM-1R are used against Ukrainian armored vehicles.

A photograph of one of these mines was published by the Ukrainian security forces from the Kyiv region.
PTKM-1R, through the use of acoustic and seismic sensors, is capable of detecting a target at a distance of up to 250 meters. When a tank or armored vehicle is detected, the mine tilts slightly in the right direction. When the target is in the affected area, the submunition is launched. It takes off to a height of several tens of meters, rotates in flight, scans the area with the help of a radar and a thermal imager (reacts to the heat of the engine and its exhaust), aims at a target and fires a cumulative "shock core" at the roof of the vehicle.
The mine is set manually and can remain activated for up to 10 days. After the specified period, the mine can self-destruct so as not to pose a threat to the civilian population.


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a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The max range of Excalibur is 40 km, but realistically if you want accuracy it better not be more than 10 to 20 km. Likewise, Iskander max range is 500 km, but realistically for accuracy no more than 200 km.

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originally posted by: fuzz4262
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The max range of Excalibur is 40 km, but realistically if you want accuracy it better not be more than 10 to 20 km. Likewise, Iskander max range is 500 km, but realistically for accuracy no more than 200 km.

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Your source is outdated, but was recently 'correct' (latest that could be discussed).



This is the latest one we are currently allowed to discuss:

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40+ miles, with CEP of '4'.




You apparantly don't understand Excalibur tech at all, there is near zero difference in precision at any range, or in (nearly) any conditions.


Always CEP of '4'.