Why are atheist so angry with God?

a reply to: neoholographic

Exhibit A nothing.

I will however admit to being steamed.

That doesn't change any of the points I made, that you ignored.

But that's okay. I'm done here.

You, the mental gymnast, that can't answer straight up points.

Me, the angry atheist. Sarcasm. Har har har.

Will you thank god for me, when you pray tonight? You know, for making me not give a # about him. I need a little more hardening of the heart.

Let me know how that living in your matrix goes, Neo.

Peace

Same to you Randy. (are you the ole Randy?)

nvm don't care.

My points were clearly made.

Not my problem if any of you want to dodge them. Not like it makes me lose any sleep at night.

Oh, Neo:

originally posted by: neoholographic
Waiting.......

Whenever you're ready man. Pray on it, I guess. Or, come to your own conclusions?

I wouldn't want you to waste your free will.

originally posted by: Randyvine2
Jesus Christ is a scholarly fact and no one can make nonsense out what he did or the Bible.

Actually, that is what we have been doing in this thread, to the chagrin of some.

You simply make excuses for yourself by picking apart the written word.

That is pretty much the argument isn't it? I don't believe the bible because it contradicts itself.

You've just picked at that and brought nothing to the table that's better.

This is always such a weak argument. You don't have to offer a better option in order to discuss why something doesn't seem true to you.

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a reply to: daskakik

This is always such a weak argument. You don't have to offer a better option in order to discuss why something doesn't seem true to you.

No it's not a weak argument at all. It's a fact.

I've never seen anyone any where any time offer a better more
sensible account of mans purpose regarding his existence. All you're
doing here is exercising your ignorance. You don't believe it I don't care.
But until you have something better to offer you can't be taken seriously.
Throw all the stones you want but it's your house that's made of glass.

originally posted by: Randyvine2
No it's not a weak argument at all. It's a fact.

It might be a fact but it isn't a requirement to offer something better in order for someone to punch holes in something.

If you want to critique a song, movie or book do you have to offer a better version of any of those to be able to do that?

Of course not, you can simply critique the work on itself. That is what we did here. We pointed out a couple contradictions which some christians want to dismiss because it means a lot to them.

I don't blame any of you, I was there at one point in my life as well. I'm no longer there so I can't share that conviction and I can't offer a better option because I can't prove it and it probably wouldn't seem like a better option to you anyway.

Still, if anything was shown by this thread it is that atheists are not mad at a god they don't believe in. Like Proto88 said a couple pages back "shaking fist at Sky isn't a good sign of mental stability ether." which is true but atheists are not shaking their fists at the sky, they are shaking them at christians who want to tell them what they think and why, when they don't even know them, because some book has a couple verses that is leading them to think that.

a reply to: daskakik

Fair enough then. I'm sure you'll agree there are atheists who do display
a lot of hostility for Christians and the God of the Bible.

originally posted by: Randyvine2
Fair enough then. I'm sure you'll agree there are atheists who do display a lot of hostility for Christians and the God of the Bible.

Like I said, hostility towards some christians is certain.

The god of the bible? That is kinda hard when someone doesn't believe in them. Do you feel hostility towards things that you think are not real?

I mean can you even feel hostility towards santa, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, unicorns or any character that you think is fictitious? I'm thinking no.

That is what some people here have tried to convey. Maybe some have been abusive but it is the same message, I just don't believe what you believe.

a reply to: daskakik

Do you feel hostility towards things that you think are not real?

Negative, but I don't know how else to describe what I've experienced
discussing this topic with members right here in this forum. And I have
also seen some Christians lose their cool. But the demographic in my
mind seems pretty one sided. And from your perspective I know that
means very little. So fair enough.

originally posted by: daskakik

It might be a fact but it isn't a requirement to offer something better in order for someone to punch holes in something.

But you haven't. Nothing you have said is lacking a Theological answer. You don't believe and that's fine, but don't act as though you've poked holes in millenia of Theological philosophy.

originally posted by: daskakik

The god of the bible? That is kinda hard when someone doesn't believe in them. Do you feel hostility towards things that you think are not real?

I mean can you even feel hostility towards santa, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, unicorns or any character that you think is fictitious? I'm thinking no.

Lol I still don't understand why you waste your time debating something you think is fictitious. Such a waste of your last remaining moments before eternal nothingness

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
a reply to: Joecroft

and not your imposed context onto my question…

You hit the nail on the head dead center with this one. You can't discuss with someone like that.

He gave the answer to his question on page 1, post 1, paragraph one.

The interest is not in discussion but enforcing the view. The very reason why he even has to ask the question he does. Because of stubbornness and unwillingness to listen and read the other's position.

Sorry, I completely missed your reply in the heat of the moment lol

But Yeah...I think you’re dead center yourself with that last paragraph…The evidence of which can be clearly seen in this entire thread…



- JC

a reply to: Randyvine2
Sure but the question is who is that aimed at?

Many people have said it in this thread, it isn't god but certain types of christians.

originally posted by: cooperton
But you haven't. Nothing you have said is lacking a Theological answer. You don't believe and that's fine, but don't act as though you've poked holes in millenia of Theological philosophy.

We have. You can't see it because of bias.

Lol I still don't understand why you waste your time debating something you think is fictitious. Such a waste of your last remaining moments before eternal nothingness

I believe in an afterlife, it just isn't the one you believe in, with that cast of characters.

originally posted by: cooperton
Lol I still don't understand why you waste your time debating something you think is fictitious. Such a waste of your last remaining moments before eternal nothingness

Maybe you will stay out of the threads about evolution?

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

I cannot believe how big of an discognitive idiot you are.

At least he has one of the most important parts of life figured out.
And he isn't talking himself out of what actually makes more sense
than anything else the world has to offer. Jesus Christ is a scholarly
fact and no one can make nonsense out what he did or the Bible.

You simply make excuses for yourself by picking apart the written word.

Easily done to all text thru mocking semantics and ignoring context.
You seem pretty harsh on someone who at least is grounded and sure
of what he believes concerning questions that if you aren't, you should
be contemplating out of responsibility to yourself. Neo knows what
he believes and makes it known. You've just picked at that and brought
nothing to the table that's better. And I know you won't ever.

You're right, about me being harsh and rude. For that I apologize.

As for the rest, I have contemplated it.

That's why I don't go to church or own a Bible anymore.

And none of you have answered my questions or acknowledged my points.

So you know, there is that.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

You're right, about me being harsh and rude. For that I apologize.

Like it never happened my good member.

That's why I don't go to church or own a Bible anymore.

Surprise I rarely go to church myself. In fact I may be one of the most
horrible Christians you could imagine. "Christian" may even be disallowed
for me. But I am definitely a believer in ever way. I'm still working on
the rest and refuse to let myself fall to the hypocrisy even I see in
Christians far to often. I know I'll be judged but also that I will not
be condemned.

If you like I'll speak to your questions if you run them down for me?

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer


Maybe you will stay out of the threads about evolution?

Evolution instills hopelessness and nihilism in people, because it insists that our existence is an accident. Therefore if you believe in evolution, despite their being a meaning to life, then it is worthwhile to show people why it is not a plausible theory. When I debate against evolution threads I advocate that humans have enduring meaning and purpose

originally posted by: daskakik

We have. You can't see it because of bias.

Funny, I thought the same thing about you guys.

originally posted by: cooperton
Evolution instills hopelessness and nihilism in people, because it insists that our existence is an accident. Therefore if you believe in evolution, despite their being a meaning to life, then it is worthwhile to show people why it is not a plausible theory. When I debate against evolution threads I advocate that humans have meaning and purpose

Yeah, but the point is that you are discussing something you think is fictional so it is hypocritical to act like you don't understand why others would do this, when you do it as well.

Funny, I thought the same thing about you guys.

The difference is that some of us guys were once on the other side of the argument.

I personally had to overcome the same bias to look at the bible objectively. It is the reason why I say that before I gave up on christianity I found myself trying to shoehorn conflicting info into the christian POV.

originally posted by: daskakik

The difference is that some of us guys were once on the other side of the argument.

I've been on both sides too.

Pascal's wager shows that defending atheism KS pointless whereas defending theism insists on a greater power and therefore greater purpose for humankind

a reply to: cooperton

Originally posted by daskakik
We have. You can't see it because of bias.

Originally posted by cooperton
Funny, I thought the same thing about you guys.

When you say “you guys”…you’re not trying to drag me back into this discussion lol…

Are you…?

- JC