Why are atheist so angry with God?

This makes no sense. I don't have to announce in the OP in a forum called Conspiracies in Religion that there will be Bible Quotes.

Of course not. It was in jest. Because that's all you got.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Your post shows the power of the Word of God.

You fear the Word of God so much, you're in fear over a Bible verse. You said:

Most people I know including me & myself are fed up with religious people trying to educate us with to us arbitrary, to you highly meaningful bible quotes. Almost any religion, especially Christianity and Muslims are so pushy and full of themselves that THIS is the reason.

If you're so tired of Christians and Bible quotes, why are you on the thread? Do you even read what you post? I asked you did you read the OP and you said You said:

Yes, the first paragraph. Why I stopped?

LOL, you can't be serious!

You're only saying you stopped because you would be exposed as an obvious liar. All this crying about Bible quotes and Bible quotes were in the OP. The OP had these 2 quotes:

Romans 1:20 “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”

1 Timothy 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

From the very first post!!

You said you stopped because you know you would look like a liar. You acted like Bible quotes were this big surprise but they were in the OP!

You can't make this up.

You come in the thread and think you can dictate what people can or can't say.

You lie about reading the OP because they're Bible quotes in the OP so why would you be complaining if you read it. So you stopped!

The fact you claim you only read one paragraph of the OP because you realized how you would look if you read the OP with Bible quotes in it.

I have another question:

After you stopped after one paragrah in the OP LOL, Did you read any other posts in this thread and did they have Bible quotes?

I have to say, you are providing comic relief after all of the outlandish claims from other atheist like believing in mythical peers.

a reply to: neoholographic

Your post shows the power of the Word of God.

You fear the Word of God so much, you're in fear over a Bible verse. You said:

Have you considered, just for one second, that maybe, just maybe, my God isn't the same as your God? So why would I be interested in bible quotes. I read the Bible and I can quote myself. You know, with other members I had nice talks but it's not possible with people like you. Dogmatic and high noses. You make a thread asking a question and in your blindness you give the answer yourself. Like a self righteous preacher.

f you're so tired of Christians and Bible quotes, why are you on the thread? Do you even read what you post? I asked you did you read the OP and you said You said:

To answer your question, that I now learned really wasn't one to begin with. You just needed a space for more bible quotes.

LOL, you can't be serious!

Absolute 100% serious.










Again an really slow just for you:

Why are atheist so angry with God?

Answer: They are not angry at God. They are fed up by threads and people like you that can not give a single straight answer but bible quotes ad nauseum.

Your problem: You are so sold to your religion that you can't see this. Instead you do a thread talking to yourself and providing the answer yourself.

The elephant in the room: Your inability to look past your own dishplate. It's going in circles with you and honestly, I just gave up on you. If you want to believe the BS in your thread but ignore this input so be it. Simply.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Here's an obvious lie.

So why would I be interested in bible quotes. I read the Bible and I can quote myself.

You're just making it up because your argument fell flat. You're first post was this:

a reply to: neoholographic

God hates?

You sure?

I said this in a post with a Bible quote LOL! You can't make this up. So you lied about needing to be warned about Bible quotes. You said I should have warned you about Bible quotes. But this Bible quote was in the post you were responding to.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So why did you lie? I responded with this:

Here's verses for you:

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

This is Jesus talking to the Church of Pergamos.

Is Jesus God? Do you think God loves sin? Do you think God loved what they were doing in Sodom and Gomorrah?

This when you began to act like you never seen a Bible verse before which was a lie because the post you were responding to had a......BIBLE QUOTE!

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
a reply to: incoserv

Stephen Hawking said, "Religion is a fairytale for people who are afraid of the dark."

My reply is:


Atheism is a fairytale for people who are afraid of the light.

But dark is used as an analogy to "not knowing" in the text you used. That would make the light in your example personify the ignorant. So the unknown has to be explained by superstitious believes.

I do believe in a omnipresent energy (call it God if you want) but sure that one backfired.

No. Religion does not preclude knowledge. On the contrary, informed, cogent acceptance of the evidence of intelligent design in the complexity of the universe is the very foundation of knowledge, the concept of a fixed point for referencing truth and reality being a philosophical and intellectual necessity for any honest person.

Dark and light are principally spiritual analogs. This speaks is spiritual reality. This who find comfort in the dark are those who wish to hide their rebellious deeds.

Good post and I was wondering when I read the post you’re responding to and you’re correct.

a reply to: neoholographic

Originally posted by neoholographic
Sadly for you, your lopphole/ plot hole has been asked and answered over and over again. You just ignore the answer then ask the same questions or you ask another question that falls flat.

Nope…Your answer was a false strawman, based on a context that I was never representing to begin with…followed by a “gotcha” blah blah blah…

Please highlight where you answered the question in the context that I was meaning it to be in…and not your imposed context onto my question…

Originally posted by neoholographic
Let's stipulate this:

We will say you never read the Bible. You don't even know what a verse in the Bible is according to you.

But Someone knowing the Bible does not = them highlighting and drawing attention to an EXACT verse…and its whole context therein etc…

Originally posted by neoholographic
The premise of your question is why does God let satan "devour souls", something you just magically pulled out of the air without even knowing that Bible verses exist, because they can claim the devil made me do it.

Here's a direct line from your post:

Also it kind of gives people an out…”Satan made me do it“..for example…

But the 1 Peter 5 verses, doesn’t use the phrase "devour souls", it uses the phrase “looking for someone to devour.”…Which is just more evidence that I wasn’t alluding too those verses…

The context of my post was about Souls being lost…those verses in 1 Peter 5 don’t contain that exact context…in other words, they don’t allude to Souls being ultimately lost…which is what my question is about…

Sure…some elements maybe similar but they are NOT exact…but more importantly…they don’t fit the overall context of this post…or the question I extropalted from it…

Speaking of which…you seem to have forgotten the question that I extrapolated out of that post…

Here it is again below…

Originally posted by Joecroft
It’s about people losing their Souls because Satan is aloud to roam around lieing and deceiving people…while God has the power to just get rid of him at any time…God is about saving Souls…so why would God allow that to continue…???

God could easily make peoples free will remain intact, without allowing Satan the power to interfere with people’s lives…(And I’m not talking about psychical afflictions here…just so we’re clear) I’m talking about people’s Souls getting deceived…

Even the Story of Job gives my question legitimacy…because God allows Satan to tempt Job; It’s like a test to see if Job remains righteous and continues to follow God ect…but if Job had faltered at some moment, then his Soul could have been potentially on the line i.e. lost…

Originally posted by neoholographic
When I post these next verses, people will recognize them because I've posted them several times but you just blindly ignore them and act like your question wasn't answered. This is because you were hoping to play the loophole/plot hole gotcha game and it fell flat.

Actually, I think you’re not answering the true context of my question becuase you’re afraid of some Gotcha moment…

- JC

a reply to: Joecroft

Asked and answered several times. You then vanish when your loophole/plot hole falls flat and then come back days later asking the same question. You just ignore the answer.

How has satan harmed you? How has satan stopped you from accepting Christ? You said:

It’s about people losing their Souls because Satan is aloud to roam around lieing and deceiving people…while God has the power to just get rid of him at any time…God is about saving Souls…so why would God allow that to continue…???

The Bible says:

Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

The Bible also says:

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Asked and answered for the umpteenth time.

There's no excuse. There's nothing stopping you from accepting Christ tonight. It's your choice not satans.

Also, God is outside of space and time so He knows who will accept Christ and who will reject him. The Bible says:

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Let's look at you for example. God sees that you will not make the free will choice to follow Christ before you die or Christ returns, and you may be one of the ones that get this strong delusion. Satan didn't make you not accept Christ, in fact, you can accept Christ tomight so there's no excuse.

Asked & Answered yet again.

a reply to: Joecroft

and not your imposed context onto my question…

You hit the nail on the head dead center with this one. You can't discuss with someone like that.

He gave the answer to his question on page 1, post 1, paragraph one.

The interest is not in discussion but enforcing the view. The very reason why he even has to ask the question he does. Because of stubbornness and unwillingness to listen and read the other's position.

a reply to: cooperton

Never hijacks free will?

And the Lord said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, so that he shall not let the people go.
Exodus 4:21

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12

And then the example of the Tower of Babel that another poster mentioned.

Okay sure, he didn't make their choices for them. But it is clear he influences them in such a way that they make choices against him. In the case of the Pharaoh, IIRC, Pharaoh was actually going to let the people go...

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: cooperton

The Bible says God manipulates free will.

Perhaps not every little choice you or I make, but the point being, he isn't above changing people's minds if it suits him. Quite troubling.

He never hijacks people's free will though. He sent signs to Jonah.. if Jonah was unattentive towards God he probably would've thought it was just bad luck that a storm hit their boat. He still had the choice whether or not to act.

Is there a time in your life when God disallowed your free will?

Also what does Jonah have anything to do with examples I've mentioned?

(I might not recall the whole story of Jonah any more)

To answer your question. If your God exists, the fact that I'm an atheist. Because as silly as it may sound... I didn't want to be an atheist. I had questions, taboo as far as Christianity goes. I did silly things that at the time were genuine from the heart. I prayed to be shown answers to the doubts. I went so far as to beg forgiveness for the sins of my fathers, and grandfathers. I apologized to God that my Great Grandpa was a Freemason (even though my GG was a great man and devout Christian - but you know - Freemasons = evil!!! /s). This that and the other thing, in genuine desperation. Because believe it or not, it wasn't easy admitting that it didn't make sense, and didn't add up. I fought with it for a long time.

So my conclusion was thus. God is sending me strong delusions. Or he doesn't exist.

I made the call, and nobody answered. Occam's razor ruled out.

Again, seems so silly to me now. All the things I did to try to understand, strengthen my faith, make sense of it all. But at the end of the day. Just, no. And I wasn't going to lie to myself, or a God, by pretending I believed in him/it, any more, when I didn't. Kind of figured that'd be a dick move.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Thanks for sharing. What were you expecting or looking for in terms of an answer? The answers I get usually pop in my head like a download accompanied by subtle feelings of euphoria, or outward synchronicities that are undeniable. I've realized God's plan can't simply be expressed by a verbal specificity, but more so an overall comprehensive realization of how I integrate with that greater Power.

That may sound wooie and kinda esoteric but it's the best way I can describe my experience with being given answers by God. I know it's real due to the natural euphoria and lucidity I receive.

a reply to: neoholographic

Originally posted by neoholographic
Asked and answered several times. You then vanish when your loophole/plot hole falls flat and then come back days later asking the same question. You just ignore the answer.

But you stated it was a loophole based on the context being about those 1 Peter 5: verses…which I’ve stated mutlitple times wasn’t the context of my question…

Originally posted by Joecroft
It’s about people losing their Souls because Satan is aloud to roam around lieing and deceiving people…while God has the power to just get rid of him at any time…God is about saving Souls…so why would God allow that to continue…???

Originally posted by neoholographic
The Bible says:

Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

The Bible also says:

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Asked and answered for the umpteenth time.

So I have to extrapolate from 7 Bible verses as to what you really mean, rather than you just explaining/answering in plian English…

Originally posted by neoholographic
There's no excuse. There's nothing stopping you from accepting Christ tonight. It's your choice not satans.


Let's look at you for example. God sees that you will not make the free will choice to follow Christ before you die or Christ returns, and you may be one of the ones that get this strong delusion. Satan didn't make you not accept Christ, in fact, you can accept Christ tomight so there's no excuse.

Asked & Answered yet again.

The problem is, you seem to be suggesting that Satan could never be responsible for blinding people from “the truth”…but the Bible States that Satan is a lier and the Father of Lies…And then there’s the various accounts where people get tempted by Satan etc…

You need to focus on why God would allow that entity to do such things…when he has the power to prevent it…

You’re missing the entire point of the question…


- JC

a reply to: Joecroft

Asked and answered no matter how many times you come back with the context argument. You have had around 8 different contexts LOL. You said:

You need to focus on why God would allow that entity to do such things…when he has the power to prevent it…

You need to focus on why you can give your life to Christ tonight. Satan isn't stoping you.

originally posted by: neoholographic
You need to focus on why you can give your life to Christ tonight. Satan isn't stoping you.

You need to try and understand that some of us can't because we just don't believe in jesus.

When we talk about the characters in the bible they are no different than the characters in a fictional book or movie.

a reply to: daskakik

You said:

When we talk about the characters in the bible they are no different than the characters in a fictional book or movie.

If the Bible is fiction, why do you spend so much time trying to disprove it? You have been posting your non-existent plot holes on this thread more than anyone else.

I don't spend time trying to disprove that Ahab didn't really chase a whale.

I don't spend time trying to disprove that Jack didn't really climb a beanstalk.

I don't spend time trying to disprove that Peter Pan never went to Neverland.

Why are atheist so obsessed and angry with God they say doesn't exist and a book you say is fiction? The Bible tells us why. You retain God in your conscious and this is why 99% of atheist websites, books and debates are about God and the Bible.

Romans 1:28 “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;”

a reply to: neoholographic
I sometimes feel that it would be good for religious people to try and understand the POV that I am coming from. Obviously not everyone can wrap their head around it.

Also, I am just wasting time.

Of course there are also those who would like to see religion disappear. Seeing the bible as fiction is probably what drives some of them.

Either way, it seems you can't imagine what it is like to just not believe these characters are real.

a reply to: daskakik

Again, your post shows that you retain God in your conscious. You said:

I sometimes feel that it would be good for religious people to try and understand the POV that I am coming from.

Why do you want believers to understand or imagine what it's like not to believe? Many people who follow Christ were non-believers at one point so why should they imagine non-belief?

That makes no sense.

If you believe God doesn't exist and the Bible is fiction, then why do you need others to believe as you do?

Are you also trying to disprove Alice went to Wonderland?

Are you also trying to disprove that Snow White knows the 7 dwarfs?

The Bible tells us that the carnal mind is at enmity with God.

Here's where atheist need to be careful and I just pray that it's not too late for some.

This is what enmity means in the Bible:

ἔχθρα échthra, ekh'-thrah; feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication, a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

This means you have a hatred for God. You retain God in your knowledge though and God turns you over to a reprobate mind.

What does reprobate mean?

ἀδόκιμος adókimos, ad-ok'-ee-mos; from G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384; unapproved, i.e. rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally):—castaway, rejected, reprobate.

So your carnal mind has enmity(hatred) of God because you retain the knowledge of God in your conscious and God sees you're not going to change your mind so He turns you over to a reprobate mind.

I hope this isn't the case for you and others. Remember the number of the beast is the number of a man.

a reply to: neoholographic
The fictional character mentioned in the bible is in my conscious but I don't feel they are any more real than Yoda, Mr. Spock or Harry Potter, who also happen to be there.

Unlike you, I don't need anyone to believe what I do. I was only sharing my experience and what led me to see the bible as a bunch of myths.

That makes no sense.

That is the point, it makes no sense to you because you can't wrap your head around it.

All you can do is convince yourself that you have figured out what is going on in other people's minds and why.

a reply to: neoholographic

Originally posted by neoholographic
Asked and answered no matter how many times you come back with the context argument. You have had around 8 different contexts LOL. You said:

There are at least 3 posters on this thread who can clearly see you didn’t answer the question, including myself…and probably more…

“8 context’s” is a total lie…as the overall context was always about people potentially losing their Souls by being deceived and/or tempted by Satan…anyone who’s been following this discussion can go back and check for themselves…

Also, my last post asked you to explain in plain English, the verses you posted…and how it answers my question ect…and you say nothing!

I think you’re just afraid to answer the question…

Seriously, you are looking soo bad in this thread, it’s unreal; and not just in our interactions but with various other posters too…But I’m kind of holding onto some ember of hope, that you can turn things around and realize it…

Originally posted by Joecroft
You need to focus on why God would allow that entity to do such things…when he has the power to prevent it…

Originally posted by neoholographic
You need to focus on why you can give your life to Christ tonight. Satan isn't stoping you.

How do you know Satan isn’t stopping me…?

You do realize that people who are deceived, don’t realize it…that’s how deception works…but of course, that takes us straight back to the question I’ve been asking you now…for the last 13 Replies!!!...

All people will think they are right…if we thought we were wrong we would change our minds.

- JC

a reply to: Joecroft

Asked & Answered.

You don't want an answer because you have this non-existent loophole/plot hole in your mind. You keep coming back with the same nonsense saying you didn't answer my context. That's just a way of saying there will never be an answer for you. You just thought you had a gotcha moment and it fell flat.

I'm going to answer this one more time. Anyone reading this thread will recognize the same verses that I have used over and over again to answer you and others non-existent loophole questions.

There's nothing stopping you from giving your life to Christ. The Bible says:

Romans 1:20 “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”

I quoted this verse in the OP!

Secondly, God is outside of space and time so he knows who's going to make the choice not to accept Christ. The Bible says:

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The strong delusion is sent to those that are perishing. Those who believed not the truth.

ASKED & ANSWERED yet again!

Your question:

It’s about people losing their Souls because Satan is aloud to roam around lieing and deceiving people…while God has the power to just get rid of him at any time…God is about saving Souls…so why would God allow that to continue…???

Satan is deceiving those who are perishing. Those who are making the choice to reject Christ.

We have free will and the Bible tells us the heart is evil.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

The Bible tells us the number of the beast is the number of a man.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

These are verses that I have used throughout the the thread.

Your question has been answered and your loophole has fallen flat but you will come on the thread and talk about context because you don't want an answer. You wanted a gotcha moment and all of your plot hole/loopholes are non-existent.