Why are atheist so angry with God?

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
a reply to: incoserv

Stephen Hawking said, "Religion is a fairytale for people who are afraid of the dark."

My reply is:


Atheism is a fairytale for people who are afraid of the light.

But dark is used as an analogy to "not knowing" in the text you used. That would make the light in your example personify the ignorant. So the unknown has to be explained by superstitious believes.

I do believe in a omnipresent energy (call it God if you want) but sure that one backfired.

No. Religion does not preclude knowledge. On the contrary, informed, cogent acceptance of the evidence of intelligent design in the complexity of the universe is the very foundation of knowledge, the concept of a fixed point for referencing truth and reality being a philosophical and intellectual necessity for any honest person.

Dark and light are principally spiritual analogs. This speaks is spiritual reality. This who find comfort in the dark are those who wish to hide their rebellious deeds.

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
a reply to: neoholographic

God hates?

You sure?

Here's verses for you:

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

This is Jesus talking to the Church of Pergamos.

Is Jesus God? Do you think God loves sin? Do you think God loved what they were doing in Sodom and Gomorrah?

We serve a Living God that's Alive and interacts with His Creation. The Bible says:

Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

This goes to what I have been saying. The ego of humans to act like their limited knowledge and understanding as a type 0 civilization that has barely explored it's own backyard, can reduce God and the entire cosmos which is most likely infinite to nature. The Bible says:

Romans 1:25 “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.”

a reply to: Itisnowagain

You said:

Atheists, Christians..... figments of the imagination produced by wording.

You keep pushing this gnostic line.

There is no you or anything else separate from what's occuring.

This is false.

You're trying to act like God is made into the image of humans. We're Created in the image and likeness of God and will be transformed into the Body of Christ at the Resurrection.

What you're saying is there's no difference between atheist, Christians or satanist because God is reduced to being a projection of every person. This is a lie from the bottomless pit. The Bible says:

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

It doesn't say nothing is separate. It doesn't say that God should be reduced to the image of any and everything. In fact, the Bible says:

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

This is exactly what you're doing. You're changing the Glory of the Uncorruptible God into an image made like corruptable man.

You're reducing God to our image and like I said, that's false. That's a dangerous gnostic lie that has nothing to do with scriptures. The Bible says:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

It doesn't say, I'm the Way, the Truth and the Life and any person in any image can come to the Father because nothing is separate and God is reduced to any image that you want him to be.

a reply to: neoholographic

You keep pushing this gnostic line.

And you keep labelling....gnostic, christian, atheist...

Forgetting that all is one in Christ.

originally posted by: neoholographic
Yep, it shows how limited an atheist is because they have to depend on materialism for their knowledge. You answered the question and didn't even realize it.

Believers aren't limited to materialism. We have faith in God. If you're an atheist, you have nothing to base your atheism on because you have to depend on materialism which means your information is limited to a type 0 civilization.

Faith in something you can't prove isn't knowledge.

What information did you use to reach a conclusion that the Bible can't tell you the truth can't tell about all humanity? The Bible says:

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Which part of humanity is excluded from that verse?

All of it, because it isn't information proven to be true.

Again, I'm glad you recognized this because it proves my point and shows you have nothing to base your atheism on.

I have information that I can't prove to anyone else, just like the info in the bible. The only difference is you choose to have faith in one and not the other. In fact you choose not to have faith in any of the 2nd hand information offered by any other religion either.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neoholographic

You keep pushing this gnostic line.

And you keep labelling....gnostic, christian, atheist...

Forgetting that all is one in Christ.

There's a reason you don't quote scripture in anything you say. This is because you're making it up as you go and trying to reduce the Uncorruptible God into any and every image of corruptable man.

You then said, we're all one in Christ. Again, you don't quote the scripture because it doesn't support the false gnostic doctrine you keep pushing. The Bible says:

Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Again, there's a reason that nothing you say is backed by scripture. Gnosticism is a lie from the bottomless pit.

This scripture is talking about those in the Body of Christ not any or everyone according to your corrupted view of God.

Here's 4 verses that precede us all being one in Christ:

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

This is why you don't quote scripture. You're just making it up as you go.

It doesn't say any and everyone no matter what corruptable message you're pushing. It says you're one in Christ by Faith in Jesus Christ and by baptism.

It doesn't say anything about any and everybody not being separate and being one in Christ.

a reply to: neoholographic
Is there a you and a world?

Is there a you and something else?

Or is there, in truth, only ever what appears to be happening?

If there is a world and a you....if it seems as if you have a life.... then there will be no peace ☮️

a reply to: incoserv
You are right, I mixed up something here in translation I was wondering why you don't get it but it's actually me. We agree!

a reply to: neoholographic

See that's the reason why some atheist are even confirmed in their prejudice that religious people are full of nonsense. I am not atheist and it's not my opinion.

But look at you going. I ask you one question and you come up a WOT of bolded quotes that

a) I am not interested in
b) are hard to read
c) Expect me to "connect the dots"

That's not going to happen for most. The result is that you think I lack the willpower and purity to understand and I think you're a nutcase orienting your life around a book written and extensively modified by humans, partly stolen and copied from Pagan teachings.

This is why nobody not into established religion will listen to you patiently when you reply like this.

So what exactly are you trying to tell me? Since I did not read one quote. That God is hate and vengeful? What version is it, the old or new testament do you like to sell as the truth to me?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

You said:

Is there a you and something else?

Yes, there's humans who are separated from God because of sin and who needed Jesus Christ to reconcile us to God and there's God who's the Creator of all things. The Bible says:

Psalm 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Look, it looks like you're searching but your folly is what you're saying isn't grounded in scripture.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Did you read your post before you typed it? It's a huge contradiction because you're making it up as you go and now you want to lash out at me personally because your argument fell flat.

You said:

I think you're a nutcase orienting your life around a book written and extensively modified by humans, partly stolen and copied from Pagan teachings.

But you just said this:

a) I am not interested in
b) are hard to read
c) Expect me to "connect the dots"

How do you know anything about the Bible and it's meaning if you're not interested in it, you find it hard to read and you don't want to connect the dots because it refutes everything you're saying. What I quoted isn't hard to understand, you just don't want to accept it. You want to worship the creature rather than the Creator.

Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

This isn't hard to understand or hard to read. I bet you and everyone who has read it understood what it meant. You just don't want to accept it because it refutes your make it up as you go paganism.

You said this in another thread:

So what is my faith?

The idea of an omnipresent energy that is not only made of male and/or female energies but is the spirit of life itself. Without knowing the faith of my mother (presumably very old Pagan and newer Wicca) I naturally found this way. Yes some distant memories I remember about herbs and rituals and how connected my mother was to nature. That might have influenced my path. Or helped me to find it. Is it the right path? I don't know but it feels right for me.

Instead of worshiping a faceless deity, I worship nature.

A faceless diety?

You have to see how you're contradicting yourself. You talk about a faceless diety but you just said:

The idea of an omnipresent energy that is not only made of male and/or female energies but is the spirit of life itself.

What is the face of this omnipresent energy if it's neither male nor female? If it's omnipresent, how do you know it's not a diety?

You also said you worship nature. That's exactly what the verse says so you're a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Bible says:

Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

You're doing exactly what the Bible says that some people will do.

a reply to: neoholographic

Did you read mine? Then you would have the answer: I did not. And you come with more quotes I will not read.

So just let's ignore each other. My initial question was answered, fear is what your God operates on. Mine does not.

I asked a simple question and when you came up with your bible quotes I told you the above. NOT SURE how this is "lashing out on you" and NOT SURE how I can misread a post because I asked you a simple question. Histrionic much once challenged?

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

You said:

Did you read mine? Then you would have the answer: I did not. And you come with more quotes I will not read.

You will not read because it refutes the things you're saying.

You said:

So just let's ignore each other. My initial question was answered, fear is what your God operates on. Mine does not.

The Bible says:

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Let me illustrate what this is saying:

When I was young, I loved my Father, he was my best friend. He was strict though. So I did some crazy things when I was younger but I stopped short of doing things that got my friends in serious trouble because I said to myself, if my Father finds out he would kill me.

Later in life, I thanked my Father for this because it kept me out of some serious trouble. It made me wise about not crossing certain lines.

The Bible says:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You also have free will to reject God and His Grace through Christ Jesus but the Bible also says:

Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

So God loves us but we also have free will just like I had free will to do things with my friends. But the knowledge of facing my Father gave me the wisdom to say I can't go that far.

So, I hope and Pray that you make the choice to read and understand the Word of God. It seems like you don't even want to read it not because you can't understand it but because of conviction of the spirit when you do. I read some of your post and you're very intelligent so I don't buy that you don't understand it.

We're all convicted when reading the Word of God because it shines a light on our shortcomings and shows us why we need the Blood of Christ to reconcile us to God.

a reply to: neoholographic
Obtuse or just want to # around with me?

I told you if you quote bible verses I will ignore it. I told you this is the reason most people are annoyed by people like you.

And your solution is....to answer to that post with more bible quotes?

And you think you read, understood and comprehended my post? For sure?

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Sorry, but you can't dictate how I can or can't respond.

You're in a forum called Conspiracies in Religion. If you don't want to hear quotes from the Bible, why are you on this thread where there's mostly quotes from the Bible?

If you're that fearful of just reading verses from the Bible, maybe you should stay in the Political Madness forum or the Breaking News forum.

But again, I will debate you on this thread but you're not going to dictate what I can or can't say. If you don't want to hear Bible verses, don't respond.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: cooperton

The Bible says God manipulates free will.

Perhaps not every little choice you or I make, but the point being, he isn't above changing people's minds if it suits him. Quite troubling.

He never hijacks people's free will though. He sent signs to Jonah.. if Jonah was unattentive towards God he probably would've thought it was just bad luck that a storm hit their boat. He still had the choice whether or not to act.

Is there a time in your life when God disallowed your free will?

a reply to: neoholographic

I am in a thread about atheist, stop the gate keeping. Of course I can not dictate how you can respond or not.

But keep continuing completely ignoring the explanation why people are fed up about people like you. It's 100% on topic.

Ironically your prove my post by acting like you do. That you consider my repeated hints at least try to comprehend and understand, I wished for that. But yet you are here, in your own thread wondering why Atheists (and non Atheist that are not partisan) are so "angry with god"?

Again, most are not "angry with god". They are fed up with people like you. And the best is you try to tell them after you make a thread on ATS wondering about it, but instead of trying to read and comprehend what is written, you just quadrupple down with bible quotes like the sun would not rise tomorrow.

And then you bitch about how I dictate how you have to answer lol.

If you don't want to hear Bible verses, don't respond.

I will remember that for future times. Just be notified that in your OP that wasn't announced clearly. It's like you actively do not want to learn and this thread IS only for bible quotes.

And that, my friend, is the next reason why people dislike people like you. It's not god they dislike, they are fed up with his minions. Last time I tried.

He can't go five minutes without quoting scripture. It's like biblical Tourettes. — Dawn Jayne

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

You said:

I am in a thread about atheist, stop the gate keeping.

Did you even read the OP? This entire thread has mostly been about God and the Bible. Did you read any of the thread before you posted?

What do you think this thread has been debating most of the time? They have been debating the Bible. If you would have taken the time to read the thread before you post, you would know this.

How can you come in a thread and get upset that there's Bible verses? That makes no sense. You said:

but instead of trying to read and comprehend what is written, you just quadrupple down with bible quotes

Again, there's atheist in the thread quoting and talking about the Bible just as much as I am. If you would actually read the thread before you post in it, maybe we wouldn't have to spend time talking about why you can't dictate what others can or can't say.

You said:

Just be notified that in your OP that wasn't announced clearly. It's like you actively do not want to learn and this thread IS only for bible quotes.

What????

This makes no sense. I don't have to announce in the OP in a forum called Conspiracies in Religion that there will be Bible Quotes. I have been on ATS since 2012 and have never heard such nonsense.

Who announces that there will be Bible quotes in a thread in the forum Conspiracies in Religion. I have put quotes from the Bible in threads I start in the Science&Technology forum and nobody has ever been so fearful of just reading a Bible verse. That you should tell you that you're being convicted if you can't even read a quote from the Bible. Why are you even in this forum?

Finally, the Bible tells us why they're angry at God. It's because they retain God in their knowledge.

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Like I said, if you're so fearful of simply reading a Bible verse, you're in the wrong thread.

a reply to: neoholographic

Did you even read the OP?

Yes, the first paragraph. Why I stopped? Because it was more than apparent you would do the exact thing that is the reason what you wonder about. And when I read "The Bible tells us why they're so angry", dude do I have to explain it further or do you get it now? It's clear your opinion is set, that's why you ask a question and promptly answer it yourself with bible quotes.

I see some of the same people in every thread about God or any mention about Jesus Christ, get so angry at a God they say doesn't exist. The Bible tells us why they're so angry.

This is so #ing cringe because you get it all wrong. You're so full of yourself and Bible quotes and even while you get made aware about it you can't see it.

Again in cleartext:
Most people I know including me & myself are fed up with religious people trying to educate us with to us arbitrary, to you highly meaningful bible quotes. Almost any religion, especially Christianity and Muslims are so pushy and full of themselves that THIS is the reason.

It's not god in failure here, it's you minions.