Why are atheist so angry with God?

a reply to: daskakik

Honestly I don't think god has actually, like in person, said anything to you

Of course you don't you don't believe he exists. Remember?

a reply to: daskakik

It certainly isn't what some other christians think, so who are people supposed to believe?

Jesus Christ

a reply to: Randyvine2

Originally posted by Joecroft
But not everyone fits under the Label of "completely evil"…like the examples you’ve described above…And even if they are really bad…do they really deserve eternal torment in hell…

Also, many people live decent lives and hardly commit many sins…and yet they are going to receive the exact same punishment as the really “evils one’s”…which is completely messed up…imo

Originally posted by Randyvine2
Have you read anything I have written? Yes it would be messed up. If
what you said was true? But it is not the truth.

Sorry I’m not following you here…what do mean it’s not the truth…

You are a Christian right…

Can you elaborate further…

- JC

originally posted by: Randyvine2
Of course you don't you don't believe he exists. Remember?

And I am also sure you can't prove it, even though you think he did.

Just putting that in there because that was asked of me.

originally posted by: Randyvine2
Jesus Christ

I know you more than that guy and even those who talked about him and I'm not feeling like I should even believe you, so why would believe what someone said about that guy?

a reply to: Joecroft
If I may, what they are saying is that a verse in revelation says that souls will have a second death, which they interpret as no longer existing, so human souls won't burn for eternity.

I guess it is like saying I'm not going to burn my baby with this cigarette forever, it's just a couple of seconds so that it learns, even though it will stop existing after that. /s

Am I wrong in thinking maybe not existing is worse than the burn?

a reply to: neoholographic

You'd be surprised at how many ex-religious people are mad at God, as well as the atheists.

Can you blame them?

a reply to: daskakik

Originally posted by daskakik
If I may, what they are saying is that a verse in revelation says that souls will have a second death, which they interpret as no longer existing, so human souls won't burn for eternity.

Right…I see…

Well, either way… the real “evil ones” and the ones who lived fairly decent lives are still going to receive the exact same punishment…which is still completely unfair and unjust…imo

And I know this may sound a little strange…but it’s not even in alignment with certain verses that Jesus speaks in the Bible…

- JC

originally posted by: Joecroft
Well, either way… the real “evil ones” and the ones who lived fairly decent lives are still going to receive the exact same punishment…which is still completely unfair and unjust…imo

That is only if the take of some christians is true.

Even some christians don't buy into that part.

And I know this may sound a little strange…but it’s not even in alignment with certain verses that Jesus speaks in the Bible

I know exactly what you mean. Jesus seemed pretty cool with prostitutes. The only time he seemed upset was with money lenders.

Funny that the ten commandments didn't mention that, but it did say something about the working girls Jesus was ok with.

Hmmm.

a reply to: Joecroft

Mankind was created immortal because God doesn't create
living beings just so they can die. This is why prediluvian
life spans were much longer than ours. As recorded in
Genesis. So when God warned us not to do something that
should have been it. We needed God's guidance to navigate
the universe because he's the one with all the knowledge.

But after a very short time of walking with God our relationship
with him was interrupted. Satan easily convinced us to sin and
that disobedience to God brought death into the world.
We were no longer immortal because the order we see thru
out the eternal universe depends on obedience to the Creator.

So it is appointed once for man to die a physical death.
Jesus came to save us from the second death, spiritual death.
No where in the Bible does it say the souls of men burn forever
and ever. So the second death in the fire simply appeases what
atheists would rather have any way according what they say.

Snuffed from existence while only the wicked ones who rebelled
against the Creator with all their immortality intact suffer the
torments forever. Their immortality will be their curse. So what
you believe isn't even true.

Even after Adam and Eve sinned God came to them looking
to reconcile. All the way to the point Adam pointed the finger of
a coward at his own wife did God reach his breaking point.
And I don't blame him.

I could go on and on but the truth is eternal damnation is just
atheist propaganda. Sin is a choice to be disobedient. It's created
only in the mind of what God has created and given freedom of
choice. Did God create evil? Yes because he created the wicked
who turned against him. Turned against their own Creator to
do everything opposite of him.

I'm sure the Creator of the universe knows exactly what he's doing.
By all means.

originally posted by: Randyvine2
Satan easily convinced us to sin and that disobedience to God brought death into the world.

And who created this evil being so that this was even possible?

a reply to: neoholographic

Originally posted by neoholographic
So again, this is saying God who's outside of space and time predetermines all things except for our choices which he allows for us to make.

But if God “predetermines all things except for our choices” like you say, then people becoming Christians shouldn’t be predestined by God…because that’s a decision that comes from their own freewill…

Originally posted by neoholographic
Your questions supports scripture.

I wasn't born in a different land. The Bible says:

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

So again, I wasn't born in a different land. I was predestinated to be born here and to follow His Purpose.

But Romans 8:30 runs contrary to what you’re suggesting…because it’s essentially stating that people are predestined to become believers…as it’s only believers who ultimately become glorified…

Nice try…but you can’t have it both ways…

- JC

a reply to: daskakik

I know you more than that guy and even those who talked about him and I'm not feeling like I should even believe you, so why would believe what someone said about that guy?

So you don't want to believe me

You don't want to believe scripture

You don't want to believe God

You don't want to believe Jesus Christ

You don't want to believe the scholars

You just want to have me at a disadvantage
by having only what I believe on the table?

That's the same coward I just referred to that
was Adam.

a reply to: Randyvine2

Originally posted by Randyvine2
Mankind was created immortal because God doesn't create
living beings just so they can die. This is why prediluvian
life spans were much longer than ours. As recorded in
Genesis. So when God warned us not to do something that
should have been it. We needed God's guidance to navigate
the universe because he's the one with all the knowledge.

But after a very short time of walking with God our relationship
with him was interrupted. Satan easily convinced us to sin and
that disobedience to God brought death into the world.
We were no longer immortal because the order we see thru
out the eternal universe depends on obedience to the Creator.

So it is appointed once for man to die a physical death.
Jesus came to save us from the second death, spiritual death.
No where in the Bible does it say the souls of men burn forever
and ever. So the second death in the fire simply appeases what
atheists would rather have any way according what they say.

Snuffed from existence while only the wicked ones who rebelled
against the Creator with all their immortality intact suffer the
torments forever. Their immortality will be their curse. So what
you believe isn't even true.

Even after Adam and Eve sinned God came to them looking
to reconcile. All the way to the point Adam pointed the finger of
a coward at his own wife did God reach his breaking point.
And I don't blame him.

I could go on and on but the truth is eternal damnation is just
atheist propaganda. Sin is a choice to be disobedient. It's created
only in the mind of what God has created and given freedom of
choice. Did God create evil? Yes because he created the wicked
who turned against him. Turned against their own Creator to
do everything opposite of him.

I'm sure the Creator of the universe knows exactly what he's doing.
By all means.

Thanks for the breakdown…but it still doesn’t get away from the fact that the really "evil ones" and the ones who lived fairly decently...will all face the exact same punishment…

Which is unfair and unjust…no matter which way you look at it…

- JC

originally posted by: Randyvine2
So you don't want to believe me

You don't want to believe scripture

You don't want to believe God

You don't want to believe Jesus Christ

You don't want to believe the scholars

What makes any of you so special that I should?

You just want to have me at a disadvantage by having only what I believe on the table?

Who said I want you at all?

Your belief makes no difference to me. I'm not here to earn souls for some guy nobody has ever seen.

Believe what you want, but don't think you can guesstimate what is in other people's head.

a reply to: daskakik

Believe what you want, but don't think you can guesstimate what is in other people's head.

Now you're just babbling

a reply to: Joecroft

Which is unfair and unjust…no matter which way you look at it…

Let's try it this way then.

How do you know?

a reply to: Randyvine2
Babbling how?

Are you a mind-reader?

You have no idea what I think or why I think It?

originally posted by: Randyvine2
Let's try it this way then.

How do you know?

Right back at you, how do you know?

It's funny how some people in this world can actually think that Armageddon will be something that they do not deserve. Some kind of cruelty. Not gonna change a thing about it happening soon and being totallly deserved for all those destined for "a resurrection of judgment" (John 5:29). Finally justice (for those who will not let other people live in peace). I always have to think about the question in that song, 'what if God was one of us'? He'd be utterly disgusted with a portion of humanity, especially a few who like to paint that which is good as evil and the evil they do as something good (Isa 5:20,21).

It won't be long anymore. Just a little more patience for those maligned by this world. It's a confident and good feeeling when you know you're good in this regards. For the rest, ignorance is bliss, until it ends. How do they say it? They're gonna get what's coming to them. Sucks for them, but they did it to themselves. Go blame God some more (as some kind of tyrant or dictator that forces his will upon people when promising real justice), see if that'll make a difference.

Yep that's right, most of you are going to die soon. Not deserving of anything else. Nor any real truths. God knows what he's doing....and why,. Crystal clear to me as to the 'why' question. On this planet, there are actually very few people worthy or preserving through Armageddon. It's not rocket science.

Oh, and by the way, you can't get to me, I'm invincible, unstoppable. And I can't stop what's coming, nor have I a reason to do so. Y'all had your chance... (not to ignore that some people have grabbed that chance, God can see what's going on in their hearts, they've got nothing to worry about, they're 'good' as well in that regards, for them, there is hope, but it's not for everyone*)

John 3:19-21:

Now this is the basis for judgment: that the light has come into the world, but men* [Or “people.”] have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked. For whoever practices vile things hates the light and does not come to the light, so that his works may not be reproved.* [Or “exposed.”] But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that his works may be made manifest as having been done in harmony with God.”

*:

Disappointed in mankind as a whole, but there are definitely golden nuggets out there. Thankfully someone else will sort them out for me. And this world will be great after the sorting has been done. I can't look into people's hearts.

Jeremiah 17:9,10:

The heart is more treacherous* [Or “deceitful.”] than anything else and is desperate.* [Or possibly, “incurable.”]

Who can know it?

I, Jehovah, am searching the heart,

Examining the innermost thoughts,* [Or “deepest emotions.” Lit., “kidneys.”]

To give to each one according to his ways,

According to the fruitage of his works.

2 Thessalonians 2:6-16

And now you know what is acting as a restraint, so that he will be revealed in his own due time. True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way. Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

However, we are obligated always to thank God for you, brothers loved by Jehovah, because from the beginning God selected you for salvation by sanctifying you with his spirit and by your faith in the truth. He called you to this through the good news we declare, so that you may acquire the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So, then, brothers, stand firm and maintain your hold on the traditions that you were taught, whether it was by a spoken message or by a letter from us. Moreover, may our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and gave everlasting comfort and good hope by means of undeserved kindness, comfort your hearts and make you firm* [Or “strengthen you.”] in every good deed and word.

Proverbs 14:12

There is a way that seems right to a man,

But in the end it leads to death.

That counts for "most of you", Matthew 7:13,14:

Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it.

I've found it, watch where I'm pointing cause I really would like for you to find it as well.