UKRAINE/RUSSIA WAR - looks like it’s started

a reply to: IAMTAT

Which conflict in the pas 80 years has been black and white?

a reply to: BZiker

"This is impossible in Russia. I have heard about the upcoming rallies in Russia for the termination of the operation in Ukraine. No one forbids them to do this. everything is legal."


Now, I just have absolute proof that ......well, you cannot be taken seriously?

So, protests against the war in Russia don't get broken up by Putin's thugs? They don't have their banners ripped away and get arrested and jailed?

T&C's prevent me from saying exactly what you are.


We seem to have been invaded by......no, not allowed to say it.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: IAMTAT

Which conflict in the pas 80 years has been black and white?

Exactly.
Ask that of every network talking head with a massive hard-on over this invasion...currently singing from the identical hymnal 24-7.

a reply to: vNex92
The Soviet Union consisted of many republics. At the same time, he invested most in the development of Ukraine, the Baltic States and Transcaucasia. This development took place due to the redistribution of income of the RSFSR proper (the so-called Russia within the Soviet Union) in favor of the above regions.

The basic level of China's economy after World War II was also created by the USSR. There was also an economic union of socialist countries. All this is even in the English Wikipedia.

As for modern Ukraine, after the coup d'etat of 2014 and the forced severance of economic ties (for ideological reasons, under the development of local Nazis), most of the mechanical engineering specialists and engineers began to move to Russia. At the same time, a broad company was launched in Russia to develop its own producers in those sectors of the economy where the rupture of ties with Ukraine was noticeable. This is mainly the aerospace industry and the production of complex equipment for oil production. Ukraine has lost all these productions either completely or substantially. In the west, the markets for their products were already occupied.

Modern Ukraine is a big black hole from an economic point of view. Now she is sucking funds from Europe, the USA, and at the same time from Russia. If we evaluate it practically, Ukraine still has agricultural land and a market for selling products to the population.

If Putin is really going to investigate the embezzlement by Ukrainian oligarchs of international aid and Russian credit to Ukraine, then it will be interesting.

And Crimea... You need to come to Crimea and ask anyone "whose land is this". I think after that you won't have any questions. Every inch of this land is watered with Russian blood. At first, the Crimean Tatars brought prisoners captured in the Moscow Principality there and sold them into slavery. Too weak were given to their teenagers to finish them off. Tens and hundreds of thousands. They were sold to merchants of the glorious Italian city of Genoa. Then there was a long history of struggle with the Crimean Khanate and the Ottoman Empire - with one goal - to stop this slave trade.
And as soon as Russia occupied Crimea, it caused the active actions of a whole bunch of European powers. As a result, it turned into the Crimean War.
Then Hitler's troops. And again, hundreds of thousands of victims and the endless steadfastness of the defenders. You don't understand what this place means to Russians. Especially Sevastopol.

During the Soviet Union, Crimea turned out to be part of Ukraine (yes, it had never been there before, as well as 65% of the territory of modern Ukraine before the Soviet Union was not included there). Moreover, Khrushchev (a Ukrainian) included Crimea into Ukraine in violation of the legislation in force at that time.

In general, Crimea returned by itself. You can also ask the locals about this.

a reply to: BZiker


"Crimea returned by itself"

Same tech used for launching apartment buildings at cruise missiles?


Is anyone on your team more skilled than you?

Please ask them to take over your effort here.

Dishonest propaganda is less than worthless here.

We KNEW you were coming, and deployed defensive measures.

Ask putin how we knew.

This is pretty boring now.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2
And why should they be banned from holding a rally if they do everything according to the law?
After Navalny was imprisoned for violating the conditions of early release, the provocative behavior of the opposition became less. But there were more legal actions on their part. However, they still do not have a logical political program. So the support for their shares is falling more and more noticeably. There is a booklet with a set of slogans and that's it.

You also don't understand one cynical nuance. Western countries are more willing to give their citizenship to "victims of political repression." Many people who want to move to the West and get citizenship there provoke the police during the protests of the same Navalny, and then they show the video of their detention to the immigration services as proof. On YouTube, many such scammers post instructions on how to do it correctly.

And in general, do you understand that there are very few of these people? The majority of the population may not approve of any specific actions of the authorities and fight for their rights in a civilized manner, within the framework of the law. The majority of the population does not want to deal with these same people. When I was a student, I was also among such marginals. But with experience, my views have changed.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: IAMTAT

Which conflict in the pas 80 years has been black and white?

Exactly.
Ask that of every network talking head with a massive hard-on over this invasion...currently singing from the identical hymnal 24-7.

Its 2002 all over again.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u


And of course you have verifiable evidence of your words?
About rockets, Putin's Crimea, about my personal opinion?
Or are you relying on propaganda materials from one of the interested parties?
We can stop this. useless chatter here. And when Russia's peacekeeping operation to force Ukraine to peace is over, we will both go to Ukraine. You can go to the Crimea. To see everything with your own eyes is priceless.

a reply to: BZiker

May I ask your opinion or brief characterization, from your Russian perspective, of Zelensky and Poroshenko?

a reply to: IAMTAT

I'm not a political scientist)
And from the point of view of an ordinary person, Zelensky was an ordinary comedian. I know that he was caught with coc aine in his youth. Some of his videos from that time would have put an end to any career. My friends from Ukraine voted for him. Moreover, they did not vote for his qualities, but thus protesting against all other candidates. But in the end he won. He has neither diplomatic experience nor administrative experience. Most likely, the real decisions are made not by him but by his sponsors. I do not know if he is on the list of war criminals available in the Prosecutor's Office of Russia.

Poroshenko is just an oligarch. A representative of the same group of oligarchs, but a compromise figure (at the time of taking office in Ukraine, he was not among the top five Ukrainian oligarchs).

I think it's better for you to ask Ukrainians about these people. I think it would be more correct

a reply to: BZiker
Thank you.

I would assume Zelensky is currently considered a 'war criminal' by the Russian Prosecutor's Office...if what Zelensky has stated is true about being the #1 target on Putin's Kill list...and his family being the #2 target.

there was a question about my belonging to the Russian government.
I am a trader. I work for a small company.
regarding my comments on the Kremlin's policy on Ukraine.
it is important to separate my personal opinion from what I see of Russian citizens living around me

to begin with, about the mood in general
, for all ordinary residents of Russia, the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine was a surprise
, but dissatisfaction with the fact that civilians are being killed every day in Donbass has accumulated for a long
time recently, there have been fewer media reports about the situation in Donbass
but since November, after Western politicians began to declare Russia's upcoming military operation against Ukraine, the people again began to pay more attention to this topic
on points -
- Putin is really supported by the majority of Russians. Yes, this percentage fell to around 60% due to the pandemic, but after the start of the military operation in Ukraine, the rating increased (this is according to the estimates of the opposition)
- the military operation is evaluated in different ways. the minority of those I know is definitely negative, but many media personalities, under pressure from their Ukrainian fans, viewers, etc., began to protest publicly, but even in this environment, mainly those who are against any decision of our Government are protesting
- the beginning of the operation shocked the majority. no one expected such decisive actions in Ukraine. Many people think that the "liberal group" in the government is sabotaging many of Putin's decisions. Therefore, no one expected this.
- on the very first day, confusion changed either to support the operation, or to support the operation, but its speedy completion with minimal losses on both sides, or unequivocal rejection of the operation. in my environment, the ratio of about 40/45/5% is approximately
- a wave of appeals from Ukrainians to Russians swept through social networks, but last night, immediately after the destruction of the information operations center of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it stopped (I hope no one died) - in the morning it resumed again, but today many of my friends are already sending Ukrainians to Donbass to the "alley of angels" (mass burial of children who died there) and recommend staying away from the armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
- in general, support for the operation is growing, but everyone wants it to end faster. plus, there is a misunderstanding of how the Nazi cleansing will be carried out.

I have already written my personal attitude above.
if you want to write questions, it's not difficult for me to ask people around. just don't mock and emotions.

a reply to: IAMTAT


Russian Russians will be blamed for such a statement, which means that the Russians need to take Zelensky and his family into custody as soon as possible)
but personally I think that there is no threat from Putin, at least without a legitimate legal procedure.
Putin is primarily a lawyer, he is obsessed with legitimacy

originally posted by: BZiker

here is a misunderstanding of how the Nazi cleansing will be carried out.

THIS "Nazi cleansing" terminology raises a red flag to many here.

In this country (USA), the accusation of being a Nazi is casually tossed around in the context of: 'Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a Nazi'.

Can you briefly explain what this "Nazi cleansing' business is all about, as regards this specific conflict?

a reply to: BZiker


Nice try Apartment 29.

But glad to have you here anyway.

In the Ukraine, while Biden was VP under Obama, the US supported a color revolution overthrowing the pro-Russian administration and installing a pro-Nato one. That's right on their door step with a key country. My point is, the West is hardly innocent here either.

While I do not ever want to defend the Browser Helper Object (BHO) it might be worth mentioning here that Russia also had her fingers in the country.

Both Western Europe and Russia want a buffer zone, and that includes Ukraine and Poland. If Ukraine goes, other dominoes may fall.

originally posted by: mayonesa

In the Ukraine, while Biden was VP under Obama, the US supported a color revolution overthrowing the pro-Russian administration and installing a pro-Nato one. That's right on their door step with a key country. My point is, the West is hardly innocent here either.

While I do not ever want to defend the Browser Helper Object (BHO) it might be worth mentioning here that Russia also had her fingers in the country.

Both Western Europe and Russia want a buffer zone, and that includes Ukraine and Poland. If Ukraine goes, other dominoes may fall.

There is no such thing as a buffer zone anymore.

You are intentionally repeating russian propaganda lies.

putin wants to steal and enslave Ukraine.

Nothing else.

a reply to: BZiker

Thanks for these posts, certainly makes a change from some of the people on here that have been drip-fed their entire lives from our media. (aka oldcarpy and the bbc)

a reply to: baggy7981

Sure, Russian state propaganda is always welcome.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: IAMTAT

Which conflict in the pas 80 years has been black and white?

Exactly.
Ask that of every network talking head with a massive hard-on over this invasion...currently singing from the identical hymnal 24-7.

The same minions-of-Satan who made Covid-19 seem 100 times worse than it was, are working overtime to make Russia's invasion seem 100 times worse than it is.

Evidence of the damage they've caused continues to accumulate. MSM heads will be put on trial, along with several other traitors.