The Fight for Election Integrity Continues -- Audits, Criminal Investigations, Legislative Reform

a reply to: carewemust

From your keyboard to God's ears 🙏

As an interesting aside, things are heating up down in Cochise County, where the Board of Supervisors were threatened with prosecution if they hand counted the ballots or did not certify their results... I'm going to dig a little more before posting tho.

It's not just Maricopa raising hell!

Still nothing from the appeals court. Tomorrow will be two weeks. On an expedited hearing. As far as the public is aware, they have not asked for any additional testimony or evidence.

It's a three-judge panel. Obviously, these three judges have not unanimously agreed that the results are certain... or certifiable. If they had, they no doubt would have already ruled accordingly.

So what gives? Who's interfering? And how?

a reply to: Boadicea

The majority of citizens were cheated. In Arizona in 2022 and in America in 2020. We can collectively feel it, and are hoping for a drastic "something" to come along and correct both wrongs.

a reply to: Boadicea

IMO, the judges were told examine this subject before they were ready. Someone above them said, "Hurry up and begin the process!", but didn't say how fast to complete the review. Based on what you know Boadicea, is it clear to any intelligent person that a re-election is needed? If so, the judges could be studying how to rule that a re-election is needed. Re-elections must be very rare.

Don't y'all figure that a group of people shrewd enough to steal an election and rub it into everyone's faces without consequences is also shrewd enough to set up fake investigations, committees and donation-harvesting paytriots to further demoralize a completely disenfranchised, apathetic populace?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

IMO, the judges were told examine this subject before they were ready. Someone above them said, "Hurry up and begin the process!", but didn't say how fast to complete the review.

That could be. If only to make it look like something is being done. Wouldn't be the first time.

I've also considered that no matter what/how they rule, they need to have all their ducks in a row... in other words, legal statutes and legal precedents and whatever else to back up their ruling. Especially knowing their ruling will ultimately be reviewed by the Supreme Court.

Based on what you know Boadicea, is it clear to any intelligent person that a re-election is needed? If so, the judges could be studying how to rule that a re-election is needed. Re-elections must be very rare.

Short answer: yes, all intelligent and reasonable people think we need a new election. Most people don't trust either Republicans or Democrats. For good reason! Neither our Republican County officials nor our Democrat state officials can be trusted so even partisan people have someone to blame for this mess.

originally posted by: Skyfloating
Don't y'all figure that a group of people shrewd enough to steal an election and rub it into everyone's faces without consequences is also shrewd enough to set up fake investigations, committees and donation-harvesting paytriots to further demoralize a completely disenfranchised, apathetic populace?

Of course! That's covered in How to Cover-Up 101 😉

We did see a lot of that during the audit and the aftermath. Also lots of folks on both sides just being opportunists and making pie crust promises and fundraising off the audit -- on both sides.

But as time goes on, and events have unfolded, we've seen who walks the talk... and who the obstructionists and grifters and opportunists are. And those who may fighting the good fight but for their own agenda.

Over the last couple years, we've learned much about the election process, how its been compromised, and how to fix the major issues. With successful court cases and appropriate legislation, we've already made progress and made cheating more difficult. We also have whistleblowers and eyewitnesses coming forward and increasing our understanding of the weaknesses, loopholes, and willful misconduct by elected officials and election officials.

We're learning. We're adapting. We're making progress. Slowly but surely.

a reply to: Boadicea

I've also considered that no matter what/how they rule, they need to have all their ducks in a row... in other words, legal statutes and legal precedents and whatever else to back up their ruling. Especially knowing their ruling will ultimately be reviewed by the Supreme Court.

If that's the case, is it possible that they could be waiting on guidance from the Supreme Court?

If the Supreme Court provided guidance now, it could help them judge and rule on the case later. I would hope that's not legal.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

IMO, the judges were told examine this subject before they were ready. Someone above them said, "Hurry up and begin the process!", but didn't say how fast to complete the review.

Short answer: yes, all intelligent and reasonable people think we need a new election. Most people don't trust either Republicans or Democrats. For good reason! Neither our Republican County officials nor our Democrat state officials can be trusted so even partisan people have someone to blame for this mess.

Arizona needs a major overhaul. Maybe the Supreme Court will rule that November 2024 will be an election with every seat up for grabs, and new voting systems and contractor-suppliers installed/tested prior to Nov 2024.

a reply to: IndieA

If that's the case, is it possible that they could be waiting on guidance from the Supreme Court?

If the Supreme Court provided guidance now, it could help them judge and rule on the case later. I would hope that's not legal.

I hope that's not legal too!

For what it's worth, I have far more confidence in our Supreme Court than the appeals court panel. We've had a lot of wins in the Supreme Court -- ballot harvesting, early ballot mailings, affirming the Senate's plenary powers in election matters....

I'm anxious for this case to get to the AZ Supreme Court. We have the best chances I think in there.

I'm more confident in our AZ Supreme Court than the SCOTUS.

a reply to: carewemust

Arizona needs a major overhaul. 

I sure don't disagree! We're working on it. Hopefully we've still got enough integrity in the system and the people to make that happen.

Hopefully, other states are doing the same, and as one corrupt statehouse falls, then another, and another, and another...

Oh look !

It's The Berlin Chapter of BAMN !! 🥳️

German Election Do-Over Result Already in Doubt as Hundreds of Postal Ballots Discovered🤣

The result of Berlin’s local elections which saw right-wing parties soar is now reportedly in doubt after hundreds of postal ballots turned up late in one key constituency in the city, in a development that could benefit the left.

Around 450 ballots are said to have turned up in the Lichtenberg district of Berlin, with reports indicating that the few hundred extra ballots could put the overall result of the capital city’s elections in doubt.

It is far from the first time discrepancies have arisen during an election in the German capital, with last week’s local elections only taking place due to the last poll in 2021 being deemed invalid due to the sheer number of discrepancies during the day of the vote.

originally posted by: xuenchen
"Around 450 ballots are said to have turned up in the Lichtenberg district of Berlin, with reports indicating that the few hundred extra ballots could put the overall result of the capital city’s elections in doubt."

I wonder if they also found the chain of custody to go along with those ballots? You know, to verify that they were legal and legitimate votes, which would make them worth more than just a non-binding blip on the news radar.

I've learned so much about elections in the last handful of years that I never thought I needed to know. But, then I suppose there wasn't this many "shenanigans" with previous elections for me to have a need to learn these things. Go figure.


TCB

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

I'm with you... I've learned more about our elections than I ever wanted to know... or thought I needed to know!

I'm hearing the appeals court ruled against Kari... Kari is promising to go to Supreme Court on Twitter but I'm not seeing anything about a ruling.

Off to look around now...

ETA:

Here we go --

Lake’s arguments highlight Election Day difficulties, but her request for relief fails because the evidence presented to the superior court ultimately supports the court’s conclusion that voters were able to cast their ballots, that votes were counted correctly, and that no other basis justifies setting aside the election results," the appellate ruling reads.

Thompson, who was appointed to the bench by former GOP Gov. Jan Brewer, ruled that the court had not found any "clear or convincing" evidence of the intentional misconduct Lake alleged.

Kari Lake Election Challenge Rejected by Arizona Appeals Court

So we're back to proving malicious intent. Ugh.

a reply to: Boadicea

The ruling is too generic sounding and "assuming". It's rigged as suspected. 😮

a reply to: xuenchen

Yeah, very half-hearted. Just going through the motions.

But this took 2+ weeks???

I wonder what all has gone on behind Closed doors...

For anyone who wants to read it --

Lake v Hobbs -- Final Appeals Court Decision

The ruling cites the limited legal grounds upon which an election can be contested in Arizona.... seems to me the state legislatures need to fix the law if the laws are so narrow a clearly flawed election cannot be corrected.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Boadicea

The ruling is too generic sounding and "assuming". It's rigged as suspected. 😮

I think this lady agrees with us... she used different words, but the sentiment is pretty much the same:

This decision is why many of us are quickly losing trust in the system. It’s lazy. And, my opinion is that it’s lazy ON PURPOSE.

Tracey Beanz Twitter

Obviously, the judges knew it was going to the Supreme Court no matter how they ruled... is that why they just basically rubberstamped and repeated the lower court ruling? But that doesn't take two plus weeks. So what was the delay about? (Besides a bunch of crap!)

More from Tracey Beanz on the appeals court ruling:

Never mind the BLATANT chain of custody issues, Maricopa said it was OK to veer from procedure because of the number of voters, and their word means more than any other witness. It’s “weighted” more.

Also, never mind the fact that Maricopa couldn’t produce duplicated ballots for inspection after the 19” ballot on a 20” paper- ballots that would’ve proven the supposed “we duplicated all of the drawer 3 ballot claims” Lake wasn’t able to prove that voters didn’t have their proper votes counted, because Maricopa county couldn’t prove it, but their testimony is “weighted” more.

Also, never mind the fact that Maricopa county didn’t perform the proper Logic and Accuracy testing— that doesn’t matter either. Court just ignored it.

Also, never mind the complete disregard shown by Maricopa county by not maintaining chain of custody documentation for 275k something ballots - they promise you the forms exist, they just can’t provide them to anyone. But, again, they have more “weight,” so THEY don’t have to prove anything, we just have to believe them because they said so.

Absolutely never mind the perjury by Richer on the stand, and the fact that Maricopa and Hobbs were attempting to hide from AZ voters that they had 19” ballots printing on 20” paper, ONLY in the places that they already knew were heavy Republican areas. Like this: uncoverdc.com...

Never mind the evidence presented to the AZ senate about the absolutely ABYSMAL signature matching issues. THe court pretended Lake was arguing process for verification when she wasn’t- she was arguing they DID NOT FOLLOW process. The court lazily conflated the two and glossed right on over the affidavits of dozens of employees who blew the whistle on the issues. THESE WERE WORKERS. The court decided that “first line” workers weren’t good enough because there are two other lines to review.

It absolutely infuriates me that the judges decided the words of officials (who have everything to lose) are "weighted more" than election workers and facts. "Sure we have those missing ballots... somewhere... we promise!"