The Fight for Election Integrity Continues -- Audits, Criminal Investigations, Legislative Reform

originally posted by: IndieA
Here it is:

Right about 13:10 something important was said.

"there does come a point, for the future of democracy, you and Donald Trump need to accept".

Now I know what the official story is. But as we can see in the congressional hearings, Trump's election was tampered with, and the results may have been the difference between winning and losing. Kari Lake's election likewise, knowing for fact that election day is when the majority of conservative voters come out, and on election day, the machines (a large portion of them) had issues. Who's fault it is, is secondary, primary is that this event likely effected the outcome and could have changed the end result.

So to just accept it for the good of "democracy" is bullsh!t. Democracy exists so that if you are cheated, or feel you were, you have avenues to try to fix the wrongs. Giving up is weaksauce. Neither will likely win, but those who believe in truth and fact can see that fighting a corrupt system is needed. And a corrupt system is what we are looking at.

If you wish to deny any of that, you will have to explain why the laptop story wouldn't have changed any minds, and why deterring voters on election day didn't effect the number of votes cast. neither are in dispute.

a reply to: carewemust

The hearing was a week ago yesterday, on the 1st of February. I can't believe how long this is taking, especially as the hearing was expedited for expediency's sake. The judge's have the filings, the evidence, the law and legal precedents... it cannot take this long to rule.

So what is the delay???

Oh to be a fly on the courtroom wall!!!

a reply to: network dude

The elections have been proven ineffective.

Tbh the only way to get back control of the gov't is for individual republicans* to get to the streets and peacefully protest in large numbers against the GOP party and candidates when the party and candidate tries to fix or focus anything but conflict of interest in congress.

The only things the GOP and Republicans should be ALLOWED to talk about and focus on until we reduce conflict of interest are:

1. term limits

2. Removing revolving doors between private and public sector at executive positions.

3. Full live feed transparency in all gov't talks , negotiations, bills, etc that doesn't deal with national security. Healthcare and education reform should not be done behind any closed doors .

4. Reforming lobbying by taking away the need of money for representation by utilizing technology.

5. Making campaign fund raising illegal and unnecessary by utilizing technology.

6. Removing control of the two parties and restrictions against having 3rd party candidates in the debates.

7. Making it a requirement that reducing conflict of interest in congress is issue number 1 and must be covered as its own debate with solutions.

8. Make the GOP and candidates STFU about talking about anything but conflict of interest. STFU about abortion,economy,welfare,immigration, foreign policy, taxes, healthcare,education, etc. You know all the things dealing with the symptoms of conflict of interest. YOU WILL NEVER fix any of those things with a bunch of people that have conflict of interest at the level we are today.

9. Prevent foreign gov'ts to invest or limit their influence in buying or owning key American infrastructures and business

10. Term limits

11. Term limits

12. Term limits


When the GOP and Republican candidates and MSM waiver from focusing on those 10 things then get to the street in numbers in peaceful protest.

BTW these are things that individual democrats should want as well so their room to unite with those issues


Voting, has been proven to be worthless.

Trying to fix the same issues for the last 5 decades or more with the same people that created the issues and are benefiting from them who are riddled with conflict of interest, has been proven to be worthless.

Only way to fix this crazy train and get back some power from the corrupted two party system is to peacefully protest in big numbers in the street so they can't avoid it or pretend people don't care about those issues like they normally do.


*individual republicans: I say republicans because anyone who is still a democrat is to far gone and emotional to be logical at this point in time.

a reply to: interupt42

the current crop of "crazy republicans" seem to be making a good bit of noise about term limits.
More so that any time I can remember. I assume it will be brushed aside as usual, but there is a glimmer of hope. Who would have thought Matt Geatz would be the one to bring some sanity.
www.congress.gov...

a reply to: network dude

the current crop of "crazy republicans" seem to be making a good bit of noise about term limits. More so that any time I can remember.

They are fully aware its a show ,because they have full confidence the democrats will shut it down.

I assume it will be brushed aside as usual, but there is a glimmer of hope

Unfortunately so . Even trump touched on it during his run and then not a peep from him once he got elected.

They know the majority want it so they tease with it during the right times and then hide when its the wrong times.

Again republicans will have to get to the streets peacefully in LARGE TRUMP NUMBERS to FORCE the GOP to focus on the RIGHT issues at ALL times until conflict of interest gets under some control..

besides that we are Fkd and will continuing getting closer to the train wreck we are heading . I don't even see a possibility of even any revolts or civil war the further down the train wreck we go since they will make society even more pacified ,controlled, dumbified , and brain washed.

We will have reached the point of no return when the millennials become the boomers .

originally posted by: interupt42


We will have reached the point of no return when the millennials become the boomers .

they will come to their own epiphany likely just before the big flash. Smile!

a reply to: interupt42

Voting, has been proven to be worthless.

Yeah, that's the problem with rigged elections.

Funny that you come on thee ATS thread dedicated to election reform to proclaim that it's worthless and push the Republican party crap. Or maybe it's not funny. At all.

Shall we have general protests rather than general elections? And mid-term protests? How about primary protests? Is that how to decide which Republican crap to protest and which to cheer for in the general and mid-term protests?

Good luck with that, but I'll leave you to it. I'll be part of the crowd fighting rigged elections.

a reply to: Boadicea

Funny that you come on thee ATS thread dedicated to election reform to proclaim that it's worthless

The irony of you making the statement above then making the following statement below. LOL

Yeah, that's the problem with rigged elections.

How are you going to make election reform when the elections are rigged according to you?

If they are rigged you think they are going to allow a candidate to make meaningful reform?

If the election are rigged you think congress isn't , and congress will allow you to make reform?

If the elections are rigged , you think its not rigged at the lower levels ?

According to you, your vote (which is your voice) has been nullified in essence by cheating. How how are you going to get them to reform?

push the Republican party crap.

I'm not pushing any republican party crap but being realistic. The democrats are winning and for the most part have no problem with the way the system is working or how the media works. Heck if anything they would prefer even more tyrannical control by the MSM and the gov't that is riddled with conflict of interest.

Its a lost cause with a large section of the democrat party. Are they all the same or all lost , NO. However a good portion and certainly the most vocal are a lost cause to fight the system that they perceive rigged in their favor.

It makes more sense for the republicans to take the lead because they are more disgruntled with the system and they compose of a large part of the population. They also have shown more restraint with large gatherings than the democrats by stuffing large peaceful crowds into trump stadiums. Excluding the faux manufactured and police escorted so called Jan 6 thingy.

I'll be part of the crowd fighting rigged elections.

How are you going to fight the rigged elections with a rigged system without doing the things I listed above?

IMO the only way to get meaningful reform is to first reduce the conflict of interest, because if you don't then its pointless. You are not going to get a corrupted cheating system to fix itself or reform itself in any meaningful way with solely your vote or voice.

Hence the only option we have is to peacefully protest in the streets in large numbers to DEMAND that we only focus on reducing conflict of interest first before any other issue is tackled. Peacefully protesting and showing up in large numbers is the only voice we have left since they have nullified our voting.

BTW I'm not a republican nor do I mentally constraint myself to any solutions based on political ideals.
However I tend to lean more toward libertarian for the last 3 or 4 decades as I see the gov't riddled with conflict of interest. So IMO if the gov't is riddle with conflict of interest then its in OUR best interest to reduce its size (money and power) until we get back control of it.

a reply to: interupt42

How are you going to make election reform when the elections are rigged according to you?

Several ways. Starting with the courts. Through the state legislatures. Via audits and investigations to identify exactly who did what, when it was done, and how it was done. Providing an outlet and protection for whistleblowers. Informing the public of findings and information. Increasing awareness and participation in the election process.

All of the above can be expanded in many ways as well.

If the election are rigged you think congress isn't , and congress will allow you to make reform?

Congress doesn't write state election laws. They tried to usurp the Constitutional process and failed.

There's lots of things Congress doesn't want. Too damn bad.

Congress and a whole lot of other critters didn't want us to have an audit... we did it anyway.... despite those Republicans who cried and whined about it side-by-side and hand-in-hand with the Democrats, giving up before we even got started.

I'm not pushing any republican party crap but being realistic.

You very clearly confined your comments to what Republicans must do, not "voters" nor "We The People" nor "Americans" nor "citizens", just Republicans, while simultaneously completely denigrating efforts to actually reform and correct the system. That's Republican crap.

Hence the only option we have is peacefully protest in the streets in large numbers to DEMAND that we only focus on reducing conflict of interest first.

Okay. You do your thing, we'll do our thing, we'll see what happens.

You might just want to have a chat with the J6 prisoners first. Protests didn't work out so well for them...

a reply to: Boadicea

Several ways. Starting with the courts. Through the state legislatures. Via audits and investigations to identify exactly who did what, when it was done, and how it was done.

The same courts that refused to even hear about election fraud or have done nothing but legitimize the election?
The same system dependent on investigations that purposely hid and got rid of evidence against the bidens, epstein, ............... etc?

Congress doesn't write state election laws. They tried to usurp the Constitutional process and failed.

That is why I also said if you think the Presidential election was rigged you honestly don't think they rig the elections at the lower levels?

Like Lawrence lessig (professor or law at Harvard ) stated, By the time you hear of your candidate they have already been bought and paid for.

Okay. You do your thing, we'll do our thing, we'll see what happens.

I will surely look forward to your update in 2024 after another glorious election occurs and to hear about those meaningful reforms to prevent another steal go through.

For the record I hope I'm on the wrong here and you are the right one here. Unfortunately the odds are more in my favor of the reform getting hijacked by some republican or democrat group much like the tea party and occupy wall-street movements did.

But rock on . reform the corrupted system via the corrupted system without protest.

a reply to: interupt42

The same courts that refused to even hear about election fraud or have done nothing but legitimize the election?

The appropriate court, whichever that may be, whatever result it may be... then deal with it as necessary and appropriate.

Much like we are currently awaiting the ruling from the Arizona Appeals Court, regarding Kari's lawsuits, wherein much evidence has been submitted and made public.

That is why I also said if you think the Presidential election was rigged you honestly don't think they rig the elections at the lower levels?

All elections are held at the state level, by law, so there is really no difference in that sense. The fight for clean elections is the same whether it's the general election or the mid-term elections.

Like Lawrence lessig (professor or law at Harvard ) stated, By the time you hear of your candidate they have already been bought and paid for.

Maybe.... maybe not. I certainly don't think Kari has "already been bought and paid for." If I did I wouldn't be supporting her efforts. I'd support a ham sandwich making the same efforts!

But even if I believed that, I sure don't believe that protesting is going to be effective against candidates that "have already been bought and paid for."

a reply to: Boadicea

Much like we are currently awaiting the ruling from the Arizona Appeals Court, regarding Kari's lawsuits, wherein much evidence has been submitted and made public.

Well lets see how those results pan out. Like I said I hope you are effective and I'm on the wrong. However odds are on my favor.

I sure don't believe that protesting is going to be effective against candidates that "have already been bought and paid for."

The point of the protest is to make them not waiver or pretend its not an issue like they currently do today. The more people hit the streets peacefully in protest the more difficult it becomes for them to sweep under the carpet.

If miraculously the protest gain enough momentum with all sides including democrats its game over for them to try to cover it up. The interesting part is how difficult it is to get both sides to join forces on something BOTH sides should DEMAND which is to reduce conflict of interest.

a reply to: interupt42

Well lets see how those results pan out. Like I said I hope you are effective and I'm on the wrong. However odds are on my favor.

I can both appreciate and respect that. Like you, I'd be happy for anything that worked, even if it makes me wrong! In the end, it will probably be a combination of things that will work. Different people have different buttons to push, so what works with one won't work with another, and vice versa.

We can all do what we can do the way we think is best, and we'll all see what happens.

If miraculously the protest gain enough momentum with all sides including democrats its game over for them to try to cover it up. The interesting part is how difficult it is to get both sides to join forces on something BOTH sides should DEMAND which is to reduce conflict of interest.

I have very serious concerns about protests because the process has been taken over in so many ways. Not just from the authorities who ignore burning, looting and murdering protesters while persecuting and torturing MAGA protesters, but also the Antifa and agent provocateurs and federal informants and undercover agents inciting and provoking.

I think strikes would be much more effective -- no extra shopping (only food and other necessities), no travel, no cable/satellite/streaming TV, no movies or concerts or other entertainment, no dining out, no pampering services (hair styling or spa days or other luxuries), and so on and so forth. Like you said, the problem is getting everyone on board, and I just don't see that happening. The division -- and hate -- is too much. On both sides.

We would have to create a very simple (even simplistic) list of demands that would serve everyone, and that everyone could understand and clearly see the benefit of and get behind. It would have to appeal to everyone's humanity, rather than ideology or party politics.

I'm also beginning to think that one of our biggest challenges is to convince too many (predominantly young) people that they really really don't need a Nanny State to take care of them... that they can take care of themselves and provide for themselves if they just know how (basic life skills + vocational/career training) and if government got the hell out of the way. And then maybe teach them about sticks and stones...

Here's a little hopium to get us through the weekend.

Political adversaries came together on Wednesday to successfully advocate for the passage of a transformative election integrity bill, which will bring a much needed dose of transparency to the election process. Arizona Secretary of State Adrian Fontes and Arizona State Senator Ken Bennett addressed the members of the Municipal Oversight and Elections Committee in support of the bill, sponsored by Speaker of the House Ben Toma.

The bill, HB 2560, “requires county recorder to provide, and the secretary of state to post, specified election information including: a list of persons who voted in the election, all ballot images used to tabulate the election results and the cast vote record.”

Arizona House Elections Committee Passes Toma Ballot Image Bill

This is just one step of many needed to bring back election integrity, but it's an important step. This is also just one of many election reform bills currently being considered by the two houses, but I only plan on posting those that are passed by one or both houses.

“We are encouraged to have such amazing support for HB2560 from our Democratic Secretary of State, Adrian Fontes, and from former Republican Secretary of State and current state Senator, Ken Bennett, along with additional nonpartisan support from many Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, independents, and the Maricopa County Recorder’s office,” John Brakey, director and co-founder of AUDIT Elections USA. “The twin bill in the State Senate, SB1324, is sponsored by Senator Bennett, who co-authored the bill, and has Democratic and Republican co-sponsors. This is a bill for “we the people” — for everyone to be able to verify election results for themselves. If this legislation passes, and we’re quite confident that it will, it will increase voter confidence in election results and will be a model for the entire country.”

Mr. Brakey, director and co-founder of AUDIT Elections USA and quoted above, also added a comment to the article that confirms and applauds that folks from all political parties and persuasions have and are working together for utmost transparency and election integrity. There is no way I know of to quantify that diversity, except maybe the Rasmussen surveys that show 80+% don't trust our elections across party lines.

If this law were in effect today, we could look at each and every adjudicated ballot, both original and duplicate, to compare and contrast to determine for ourselves if these ballots were properly adjudicated.

If this law were in effect today, Kari Lake and Abe Hamedeah wouldn't have neverending battles with county officials to examine those adjudicated ballots.

Like I said, it's one step, but it's an important step.

Well, I guess it's time to give up on a ruling from the appeals court today...

Grrrrrrr!!! 🤬

'Nuff said. For now.

Have a great weekend all!

Since The Superbowl Yesterday was in AZ, are we certain the score and statistics are final and won't be changed 2 weeks from now? 😁

originally posted by: xuenchen
Since The Superbowl Yesterday was in AZ, are we certain the score and statistics are final and won't be changed 2 weeks from now? 😁

LOL!

I think the Chiefs are safe... there's total transparency on the football field.

a reply to: Boadicea

I'm still amazed that Congress saw video of Arizona authorities violating a subpoena by intentionally erasing data, during a hearing in 2022, but did nothing.

a reply to: carewemust

Yeah. And only one example of too many examples to count.

That's how we know they're not even pretending anymore.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: carewemust

Yeah. And only one example of too many examples to count.

That's how we know they're not even pretending anymore.

Like I just said in another thread, History Books will one day describe how corrupt officials at the top of U.S. government brought about traumatic events which ultimately made America once again run by Patriotic, Honest individuals.