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It's ILLOGICAL to think God didn't Create the Universe

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posted on Sep, 20 2021 @ 11:18 PM
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a reply to: PaPaTaco
Yeah, we are all gods children until a "good" reason is given for taking out a group.

It was just an off the top of the head example. No need to get too deep into it.



posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: PaPaTaco
Yeah, we are all gods children until a "good" reason is given for taking out a group.

It was just an off the top of the head example. No need to get too deep into it.


Broski, that's one thing you'll have to quickly learn about me.... I don't live in the shallow end... I'm always swimming in the deep end. Every area of my life... I don't do "Skim Milk", I always get deep into the meat of it..

"Mankind" was created in "His Image" (We're not all God's Children tho... Some are of their Father The Devil, bloodlines of the Fallen Angels/Nephilim, Seeds of Cain etc etc...)

So yeah I'm going to get into the thick of the woods... especially when it comes to the false claims that God just randomly told the Hebrews/Israelites to just wipe out folks for whatever misguided and uneducated reasons people ascribe to these Biblical accounts....



posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 12:39 PM
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What I find strange tho... are the folks who claim "God Doesn't Exist" yet they try to use The Scriptures against Him as if that's proof/evidence that supports their claims of denial and gives good reason why it's OK to hate Him, even tho they say he doesn't exist....

Total Ad Hominem and Cognitive Dissonance... So I gotta call a spade a spade...

How can someone hate what isn't real?!?! (Total dishonesty when deep down in their soul they know better)
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posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: PaPaTaco
Mostly I was telling you I was not going with you.

Really, you don't understand why atheists use scripture? Maybe you need to go deep on that?



posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: PaPaTaco
Mostly I was telling you I was not going with you.

Really, you don't understand why atheists use scripture? Maybe you need to go deep on that?


So... It'k OK for those who hate what they say doesn't exist to use scripture, but when scripture is used in a truthful and loving way....well then it's just not read or they slander the message/messanger....

I'm really beginning to wonder what it was that made you hate Him.... (He Loves You... regardless of how you feel about Him...and like the prodigal son... you are always welcome to come home....)

John 15:23 - He who hates me, hates my Father also

John 3:20 - For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

John 7:7 - The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it, that its deeds are evil.

John 15:18 - “If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you.

John 15:24 - If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well.

Titus 3:3 - For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.

Revelation 9:20 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk, 21 nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.

You may say you are continuing to walk away from the God of the Bible and don't believe.... but deep down in your spirit friend... you know He is The Way, The Truth and The Life...
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posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: PaPaTaco
So... It'k OK for those who hate what they say doesn't exist to use scripture, but when scripture is used in a truthful and loving way....well then it's just not read or they slander the message/messanger....

When discussing the validity of something you discuss the content of that thing. Simple as that.


I'm really beginning to wonder what it was that made you hate Him

Why do you assume I feel hate for him?


You may say you are continuing to walk away from the God of the Bible and don't believe.... but deep down in your spirit friend... you know He is The Way, The Truth and The Life...

Here we go again with you trying to take a position of superiority. Now you are going to try and tell me what I feel?



posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

Not ignoring your above reply.... but I'm not sure if you answered or maybe I missed it...

You said you grew up in a somewhat religious family.... don't quote me on that...and that you thought about dedicating your life to the church....

What Church did you grow up in or have you attended???

Since I asked you, I'll share my past experiences with "Church" I grew up the the Nazarene denomination primarily... but also attended several Baptist and Non Denominational (Big Boxianity) churches in my 20's/30's (I've visited several Catholic churches with friends... and as a Wedding Photographer... have been around so many churches and denominations thruought my life... but my childhood years.... up until I was 18 or so... It was Church every Sunday Morning, Sunday Evening, Wednesday Evening... Bible studies or just hanging around the churched folk/church....


BTW... I haven't really attended "Church" in almost 20 years... Mainly I study the scriptures on my own... or have studied with a Hebrew group for awhile... and I still watch or catch certain Pastors or Biblical topics online daily.... but I really don't follow any church or man...

That's why my signature is #JustJesus for me....

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posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 01:37 PM
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posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 01:55 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik


I'm sure you don't mean it but it is there. It doesn't bother me but it influences the dynamic of the conversation.


Yup I missed this.... and No I don't "Mean It"... I don't mean to be mean or mean to be read as I am probably being read.... Not who my heart is.... (I am pretty firm tho so I can understand why you might feel like I am making you feel/respond)


I wouldn't call it being a jerk, mostly because I know the intention is good, but it often is a situation where one person feels they know something that the other person has never seen or been exposed to and if they would just take a gander with a half open mind they will have an epiphany. A lot of people know what you know and still don't feel the way you do.


I am willing to always take a gander and be better at sharing His truth "In Love".... so I am humble enough again to say... "Fogive Me Dude/Lord" I am just a wretched man who loves Jesus at heart....

There must be something in life tho that you know/understand that I don't know or understand as well... and in that case... I would say you are superior to me in that area of life.... I'm not saying that to say I am superior... really that isn't how I treat people IRL... I do feel and am pretty well versed in the things I have studied...so I can see how it comes across that way.... also because I am very firm in it.... but don't take it personal... I don't agree with much of the Seminarian Modern Churchianity Theology.... so it's not just a "Non Believer" or an "Athiest" or a "Agnostic" any label we can throw out there that I disagree with.... If I haven't said it before... I've come out of many of the ways I was taught or once thought I believed and knew, when I really decided to lay all my cards down and seek the truth for myself.... By doing so... I often found the scriptures paint and tell a much different story than the thousands of denominations like to claim they say....


As for churches, as a child my family was catholic (easter/christmas christians at this point) and then my sister and I started going to a baptist church that bused inner city kids. We attended a lutheran church for a while until my parents settled on a non-denominational evangelical church.


I was pegging you as a Catholic.... (or Lutheran) Not that I'm going to judge a person who sits in those pews.... (The Hierarchy of the Church is a different story, but I cant and wont judge the heart of a man or woman who attends those churches.... That's between Father/Son and Them... Relationship vs Religion)

The Baptist one suprised me.... (Can't really say I was ever a hardocre Baptist... I went where Mom and Dad took us... but as an Adult I have attended the Non Denom Big Box neato Churchianity churches (and the little Nazarene church I grew up in that my Gr Grandpop started as the first preacher there) which can be very Lukewarm and Watered Down with the seeker sensitive message that really doesn't change lives... but again.... The Father/Son can reach us anywhere he so chooses...

Anywho I'm rambling... Thanks for the link.
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posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

Just a simple question.... not trying to corner you... and you probably wont agree with my next response...

But what is the opposite of "Love"???



posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: PaPaTaco
Linguistically, the opposite of love is hate.



posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: PaPaTaco
Linguistically, the opposite of love is hate.




BOOM!!! on that we agree....

This is why I question "Hate" (and I'm not pointing you out... I have my own disobedience or sin that I've struggled with for years... which I am trying to correct... because I "Love" Him... I know you don't like reading the scripture I post.... but it explains why I question "IF" you hate HIM (Conciously or Subconciously... or not at all.... our lives, choices and actions regarding anything really speak to what we "Love"

Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper,[f] to be with you forever, 17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be[g] in you.

18 “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. 21 Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. John 14....

So simply speaking if we are doing the will of The Father/Son.... we show our Love for him thru that walk.... (We're never going to be perfect I don't think on this side of glory... If we could be then we wouldn't have needed His sacrafice/blood/grace and mercy... all we would of had was "The Law")

So linguistically speaking... when we don't act out that love in our actions...well isn't that the opposite of Love....

Man can't serve two masters.... He will love one and hate the other.... type of thing....



posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: PaPaTaco
So linguistically speaking... when we don't act out that love in our actions...well isn't that the opposite of Love....

Man can't serve two masters.... He will love one and hate the other.... type of thing....

No, that is a false dichotomy.

You can choose to not follow someone without hating them.

And in the case of atheists it is just a matter of not believing they exist. I don't love or hate any god man has written about and that includes the one depicted in the bible, because neither feeling exists, within me, towards any of them. There is just nothing there.



posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: PaPaTaco
So linguistically speaking... when we don't act out that love in our actions...well isn't that the opposite of Love....

Man can't serve two masters.... He will love one and hate the other.... type of thing....

No, that is a false dichotomy.

You can choose to not follow someone without hating them.

And in the case of atheists it is just a matter of not believing they exist. I don't love or hate any god man has written about and that includes the one depicted in the bible, because neither feeling exists, within me, towards any of them. There is just nothing there.


I understand your comment... what you are thinking and your POV... not going to debate it... (I obviously disagree) you are free to think/believe and express as you wish...

I've seen you use the term "Atheist" a few times.... are you an "Atheist" or are you "Agnostic".... how would you label yourself?



posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 03:06 PM
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I understand yours, you buy into "if you are not with me you are against me". The truth is one can be neither with nor against someone. If that someone does not see it that way, that is on them.

I am what some would call a spiritual atheist. In a nutshell: there is more to reality than the material but that doesn't include a "god". God is in quotes because, obviously, that means different beings to different people.
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posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik


I understand yours, you buy into "if you are not with me you are against me". The truth is one can be neither with nor against someone. If that someone does not see it that way, that is on them.


Now you're putting words and feelings in my mouth.... Remember... the ones you say I was putting on you... It goes both ways.... We obviously believe differently... so it's not Me vs You, You vs Me....


I am what some would call a spiritual atheist. In a nutshell: there is more to reality than the material but that doesn't include a "god". God is in quotes because, obviously, that means different beings to different people.


OK...so there is more than just the material.... What do you believe that more (or spirit) is??? Define it.
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posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: PaPaTaco
Now you're putting words and feelings in my mouth.... Remember... the ones who say I was putting on you... It goes both ways.... We obviously believe differently... so it's not Me vs You, You vs Me....

No, they match what you have been saying and it follows the good word.

Matthew 12:30
Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

Seemed to me that was what you were going for.


OK...so there is more than just he material.... What do you believe that more (or spirit) is??? Define it.

I honestly can't.

I just know that a couple times a year since the age of 11 I slip out of my body and wonder around. Added to the precognitive dreams and other strange things I have experienced I have come to the conclusion that there is more to reality than just the material world.



posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik


No, they match what you have been saying and it follows the good word
Matthew 12:30
Whoever is not with me (YHVH/Jesus/H.S.] is against me, and whoever does not gather (One could say I am Gathering together with Him... a Fisher of Men) with me scatters.

Seemed to me that was what you were going for.


We certainly aint of the same team it appears... I wouldn't call us "Brothers" in a spiritual sense, but in my heart I don't want this to be a Me vs You thing... I can still call you my "Neighbor" and treat you as such and you me... but if you're going to use scripture again against me... then yeah, Light and Darkness do not mix... The Devil was crafty and tried to do the same with Jesus... So that Jedi mind trick wont work with me



I honestly can't.


I just know that a couple times a year since the age of 11 I slip out of my body and wonder around. Added to the precognitive dreams and other strange things I have experienced I have come to the conclusion that there is more to reality than just the material world.

Fair enough.... I find your admission admirable... So you're saying you are astral projecting and such for no apparent reason??? Are you wandering around in our material realm or some spiritual realm... What do you think happened that 11th year???



posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: peck420

Mix random chance with billions of chances and anything is possible


If that's true then the existence of an omnipotent God is included in those infinite possibilites

Which then makes you realize it was God the whole time. But he didn't have to use some trash random mutation algorithm to make it lol

Imagination aside, there is no scientific evidence that life can arise from non-life through random chance, or any evidence that a population of organisms can change into a distinctly new organism. It's faith, not science. Faith in


literal meaninglessness nonetheless.


except we see and experience the Universe....
I can hold a rock in one hand, and while I may not know where it came from, it’s difficult to imagine a time when each of its atoms simply did not exist. If I followed all of its atoms back in time, would I ever reach a time when all of its particles simply didn’t exist? In any form?



posted on Sep, 21 2021 @ 05:02 PM
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Matter and/or energy has always existed (in some form or another), and occasionally give rise to more complex things.
The Universe exists. The Universe has always existed in some form.
There is much waste and disorder in the Universe. Why would God carefully design hundreds of billions of galaxies if he only needed one? (We didn’t even know until recently that these other galaxies existed!) Why design entire galaxies, and then crash them into one another? Why make space so deadly for humans? Or place objects so far away that there is no hope of our ever reaching them? Why pelt random moons and planets with space-debris? Is there a reason for this kind of design? Is it intelligent? Or is it random? Nature’s behavior is wasteful, unguided, indifferent, and lacks the thoughtfulness one would expect from an intelligent designer.



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