Those who laughed about the magnets

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: SeaWorthy

Did you understand it?

TheRedneck

I have a science back ground, I skimmed all of these things just to provide a place for people to LOOK before they decide something is idiocy or possible!
I have read plenty of other papers I didn't need to take the time to read these, this is a heads up and a pointer for anyone who cares to actually LOOK! These are short.
NATURE

THEIRS (what they are willing to show public)

originally posted by: Serdgiam

My gut tells me it might be sourced in the manufacturing machinery itself. Something may have been CNC'd ever so slightly out of tolerance and was rubbing metal particles off into the end product. Thats coming from a place that has seen that exact thing happen numerous times in a lot of applications though, so its usually gonna be my first go-to with something like this. Im not at all familiar with the actual manufacturing process, filling, distribution, etc. so it could be completely off base.

My biggest concern is more general than this specific incident. I expect investigations will find the problem, address it, and hopefully make it easier to detect everywhere in the future.

However, the overall social momentum is to absolutely squash anything that would potentially increase "vaccine hesitancy." Of course, this behavior itself increases it more than anything, but that might be too abstract when we have more clear issues to address.

This is a pretty basic and expected incident in anything of this nature, and it was still met with "debunking" attempts that were completely derived from the most ludicrous examples in a scenario where there are pretty basic standards and processes that should be upheld. People might be "silly" on "both sides," but only one has institutional support in everything from governments to media.

Not bad...

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Aren't you a lawyer?

:p

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
There is not evidence that will satisfy these people but there is evidence that science not only CAN do this but WANTS to do this with the idea it will make us all better, healthier and the world a better place.

There is where the disconnect is, there is no evidence that any of what you posted would cause a persons body to become magnetic.

That doesn't mean that the nano tech you brought up isn't real, it just means that you are assuming properties it doesn't have.

DNA nanobots are not magnetic, GO is not magnetic without adding something to it and even then the real use that they are investigating requires a person to be in a lab with some serious equipment placed right against the person. It isn't going to make stuff just stick to people and that is what those thousands are claiming. That is a leap.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

I think it likely because I have read the known agenda and what they want to accomplish, they are clearly not giving shots to 3 year old's to keep them safe. They are putting intense pressure in every way possible and ad Gates said "we need every person on the planet vaccinated".

With 10,000s of universities and labs around the world how hard would it be to find out when they would love to find out?

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Aren't you a lawyer?

:p

Might be.

originally posted by: Dutchowl
a reply to: SeaWorthy

We hear about graphene oxide and apparently there is a very real, albeit hopefully(?) short term blood clotting side effect right after the clothsots are administered. More and more we hear about side effects and now more about how its the vaccinated that are falling ill to the delta variant and the non vaccinated are actually immune. Its all been one big pack of lies. But to what end? Depopulation? Collapse of democracy and a new rise of authoritarianism?

Graphene oxide isn't a metal. So it's ruled out in this case

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
There is not evidence that will satisfy these people but there is evidence that science not only CAN do this but WANTS to do this with the idea it will make us all better, healthier and the world a better place.

There is where the disconnect is, there is no evidence that any of what you posted would cause a persons body to become magnetic.

That doesn't mean that the nano tech you brought up isn't real, it just means that you are assuming properties it doesn't have.

DNA nanobots are not magnetic, GO is not magnetic without adding something to it and even then the real use that they are investigating requires a person to be in a lab with some serious equipment placed right against the person. It isn't going to make stuff just stick to people and that is what those thousands are claiming. That is a leap.

The telling thing is that people have been sticking things that aren't magnetic to themselves, like copper.

a reply to: daskakik

The human body generates EM fields with or without vaccines, i'm sure small changes could be implemented to things like nerve impulses with the right technology and the delivery method could very well be by injection. You're right tho the idea of magnets sticking to peoples arms is ridiculous.

a reply to: daskakik

Their whole bodies are not magnetic. Clearly it would have to be clustering in an area that causes this.
bots are not injected they are built inside the cells. We are surrounded by magnetic fields that could turn on the mechanisms and provide them beginning directives.

Many of them may go wrong and not even leave the injection site.

a reply to: daskakik

There is where the disconnect is, there is no evidence that any of what you posted would cause a persons body to become magnetic

Who says it makes a person magnetic? That would mean we would be sticking to anything metal. Because thats what magnets do.

Who ever thought they were shooting actual magnets into the body? they are shooting metals that magnets stick too like the fridge door.

Say you had a block of steel and grinded it down to powder then ran a magnet over that powder what do you think would happen?

Do you think the powder would still stick to the magnet?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Serdgiam

It will be interesting to see how this situation in Japan turns out, and its good that they caught it. The source definitely needs to be tracked down and investigated. Super basic stuff.. I find the resistance to it curious and the debunk attempts floppy and flaccid.

My ex worked in QA in a generic drug production company. She would tell me some crazy stories and the processing machines are not infallible. It wasn't uncommon to find a bad batch, so yes they can get out, but it doesn't mean by design.

I'm in an adjacent industry, and we get a couple of incidents each year where a mechanical component has caused contamination. With us it's often a seal that's broken down and become a contaminate. No matter how careful you are there's always a risk.

a reply to: Grenade

You're right tho the idea of magnets sticking to peoples arms is ridiculous.

As the thousands who have experienced it are saying no it is not! Since I have seen it myself with the skin cleaned with alcohol and the magnets cleaned with alcohol and the person jumping up and down and bending back and forth the magnets stick the effect seems to go away or end up centralized in the chest or the edge of the forehead in many cases.

It doesn't matter who doesn't believe something if it is happening to people anyway! So many people are unable to see unless it it themselves effected by something, I supposed we will all see soon enough, to soon if in my lifetime!

a reply to: Serdgiam

This is a pretty basic and expected incident in anything of this nature, and it was still met with "debunking" attempts that were completely derived from the most ludicrous examples in a scenario where there are pretty basic standards and processes that should be upheld. People might be "silly" on "both sides," but only one has institutional support in everything from governments to media.

I agree. I consider the vaccine to be officially a failure, because governments are still requiring masks and threatening lockdowns. If it were effective, that would no longer be necessary (not that it was necessary in the first place). I also consider the myriad of claims from magnetic arms to glowing in the dark to be beyond ludicrous; someone on YouTube is laughing their butts off right now at how easily they could start this kind of nonsense. Probably several someones.

Simply presenting the vaccine as a completed product, along with some governmental acknowledgement of efficacy, would have gone a long way toward convincing me to take it. I cannot say if I would have, but under the present climate there is no way I will. Perhaps in a few years, when (hopefully) all of the hype wears off and things return to some semblance of normal, I might reconsider. Until then, my mind is made up: I will NOT be getting the vaccine.

And that has absolutely nothing to do with 5G, magnetism, photo-luminescense, or any of that nonsense. It's simply a reaction to anything that is new and untested in the general population. I am the same way with computer advances, automobile automation, other medical procedures, nutrition... I do not like being the guinea pig. Let others try the new things, and if they prove effective I'll join in.

Maybe that has to do with the fact that in much of my work, there are always unexpected results. Sometimes they're bad; sometimes they're good. But they are always an unknown when they are tried the first time.

TheRedneck

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Generally these flaws and contaminants are identified and eliminated pre-shipping due to rigorous QA processes, especially when you're taking about the health of millions of people, it's the very least you would expect.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Dutchowl
a reply to: SeaWorthy

We hear about graphene oxide and apparently there is a very real, albeit hopefully(?) short term blood clotting side effect right after the clothsots are administered. More and more we hear about side effects and now more about how its the vaccinated that are falling ill to the delta variant and the non vaccinated are actually immune. Its all been one big pack of lies. But to what end? Depopulation? Collapse of democracy and a new rise of authoritarianism?

Graphene oxide isn't a metal. So it's ruled out in this case

Magnetic graphene oxide, a compound of magnetic nanoparticles and graphene oxide, possesses distinct physical and chemical characteristics, including nano size, a large specific surface area, paramagnetic and biocompatible properties, making it a promising biomaterial in the field of biomedicine.

Google

Well I got moderna and made sure to try the magnet trick. Didn't work in my case.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

a reply to: SeaWorthy

I'll take your word for it however the only eyes i trust are my own.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
There whole bodies are not magnetic. Clearly it would have to be clustering in an area that causes this.

Some people are saying various parts of their bodies are magnetic.

There isn't enough material to cause this type of magnetism even if it clusters.

bots are not injected they are built inside the cells.

They are still not magnetic.

We are surrounded by magnetic fields that could turn on the mechanisms and provide them beginning directives.

Many of them may go wrong and not even leave the injection site.

You are just putting a bunch of what ifs out there.

a reply to: sciencelol
People sticking metal things, not magnets, to their arms are claiming the injection site is magnetic not just metallic.