U.S. Pacific intel chief: Coming Chinese attack on Taiwan could target other nations

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Jus curious as to how they're gonna get to Taiwan. Is it walking or swimming?

They’ve massively upgraded their amphibious capabilities, but still… PLA Navy has a large militia navy. Vessels like tugs, oilers, barges, ferries, fishing boats, semi-submersible platforms, container carriers, and heavy roll-on/roll-off cargo ships would be mobilized. I mean how man cruise ships are out of business right now

According to Chinese military doctrine, many ships would be deployed as decoys, conducting feints to distract attention away from the main assault.

That’s without airbourne drops

We’re talking about China here, they do things on a insanely large scale regularly, they do have the capability to invade, the question is can allies get their fast enough to deal some serious blows and casualties, and that’s questionable given they’d be hit simultaneously

Short answer, swim.

After useless floating vessels discover why so useless.

Taiwan can repel this with no further assistance from U.S.

Doesn't matter if they send 1000 amphibious craft.

Or 10,000. Or 100,000.

Still just target practice for Taiwan forces, who have the range to sink while still on CCP shores.

Just stoooopidity.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
We’re talking about China here, they do things on a insanely large scale regularly...

And no one would notice, right? What a well thought out plan.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: TritonTaranis

No.

Literal military superiority would be the downfall of the CCP. You do not understand the weapons systems, the logistical abilities or even the military doctrine of the USA.

60 years ago the US almost took the world to armageddon because of a little incident in Cuba, that was 60 years ago. Ever since then the Russians haven't been able to have a sneaky piss in the garden without the US detecting it. If you think that ability hasn't been improved I'd suggest you start learning Mandarin.

You've got people in this thread with a lot more understanding than me telling you that you're pissing in the wind and frankly I believe them, they understand the urine is on the face.

What good is a navy without supply ships or docks? What good is an air force without ammunition or runways?

Even with my limited knowledge I can tell you that the US could easily deny China their own coasts, probably upto a few hundred miles inland, that means no logistics, a very limited ability to mass a force and even less ability to project it. I'm talking about classic denial of area and everything that moves will die.

The only saving grace China may have in a hypothetical war is their reluctance to wipe Taiwan off the map, once civilians are firmly in the cross hairs their will be no holding of punches by the US or it's many allies.

Ahahaha another one

Well again I admire your superiority complex which again is the type of “don’t worry about it”we’re gonna deploy unicorns and black world tech, which again has led to the neglect in the region, which just about everybody within the military planners completely agrees with… we’re on the wrong side of the equation now

So let’s breakdown your post.. you claim CCP military superiority would be their downfall ? Why? Seemed to work out well for the US

Then in the next sentence you say since Cuba and Soviet diminished military superiority which we’ve already established bankrupt them see then never return, So how does that again back up your claim? it doest make sense, just sounds like you’re saying only militarily superiority benefits the US?

You also claim the USAF could deny the PLAN their own coasts and possibly a few hundred miles inland

LMFAO alright… the floor is yours captain America let’s hear that

a reply to: TritonTaranis

"You also claim the USAF could deny the PLAN their own coasts and possibly a few hundred miles inland"


CCP would lose entire PLAN in hours. Possibly minutes.

They have no defense for this.

It wouldn't even be challenging.

And no U.S. naval assets would be required for such.

CCP knows this, and is even described in their own doctrine.

PLAN would not be a significant part of any action against Taiwan.

Not unless the U.S. decides to sit it out.




And we have the ability to operate over any part of CCP without being detected. Whenever we want.

Might be a few folks flying around right now.

Might be hundreds of nukes hovering, waiting for CCP silo doors to start opening.

* We COULD be doing this right now, but seriously doubt it, since even this is not necessary to defeat CCP.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
We’re talking about China here, they do things on a insanely large scale regularly...

And no one would notice, right? What a well thought out plan.

Of course they would

But you’re talking potentially upto 90 days of steam time to bloody counter in the SCS, it would probably take several months to deploy enough brigades to Europe should Russia move simultaneously

You’re not listening, none of you are

The forces you have in the region are within their striking range of PLA saturation attacks on everything from your bases to ships, the only sensible thing to do would be to pull back, PERIOD

They’re also outnumbered 3/1 on naval assets alone, those are the numbers PLA have been talking about for the past 20 years

That’s without factoring in the Russian Pacific fleet which would probably head back down to Hawaii like they were recently running attack drills

So which theatre are you pulling those ships from to send out to the SCS? Crimea? The Middle East?

You’re too thinly spread and the CCP only needs to apply max force in that one area

I really don’t understand why it’s so hard to admit it’s a huge problem and you’d like some reassurance on what exactly does the military planners have in mind to counter this threat

And like a keep saying it’s new platforms and alliances, but right now the danger on a move on Taiwan because of the above is about as high as it gets

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
We’re talking about China here, they do things on a insanely large scale regularly...

And no one would notice, right? What a well thought out plan.

Of course they would

But you’re talking potentially upto 90 days of steam time to bloody counter in the SCS, it would probably take several months to deploy enough brigades to Europe should Russia move simultaneously

You’re not listening, none of you are

The forces you have in the region are within their striking range of PLA saturation attacks on everything from your bases to ships, the only sensible thing to do would be to pull back, PERIOD

They’re also outnumbered 3/1 on naval assets alone, those are the numbers PLA have been talking about for the past 20 years

That’s without factoring in the Russian Pacific fleet which would probably head back down to Hawaii like they were recently running attack drills

So which theatre are you pulling those ships from to send out to the SCS? Crimea? The Middle East?

You’re too thinly spread and the CCP only needs to apply max force in that one area

I really don’t understand why it’s so hard to admit it’s a huge problem and you’d like some reassurance on what exactly does the military planners have in mind to counter this threat

And like a keep saying it’s new platforms and alliances, but right now the danger on a move on Taiwan because of the above is about as high as it gets

COMPLETE NONSENSE.


Your assumptions are beyond absurd.

But doom porn seems important to you.

So done bursting your bubble.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: TritonTaranis

"You also claim the USAF could deny the PLAN their own coasts and possibly a few hundred miles inland"


CCP would lose entire PLAN in hours. Possibly minutes.

They have no defense for this.

It wouldn't even be challenging.

And no U.S. naval assets would be required for such.

CCP knows this, and is even described in their own doctrine.

PLAN would not be a significant part of any action against Taiwan.

Not unless the U.S. decides to sit it out.




And we have the ability to operate over any part of CCP without being detected. Whenever we want.

Might be a few folks flying around right now.

Might be hundreds of nukes hovering, waiting for CCP silo doors to start opening.

* We COULD be doing this right now, but seriously doubt it, since even this is not necessary to defeat CCP.

Ohhh that ole chestnut again

It’s ok we have something flying that will wipe out the PLA in just a few seconds

JESUS WEPT

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
We’re talking about China here, they do things on a insanely large scale regularly...

And no one would notice, right? What a well thought out plan.

Of course they would

But you’re talking potentially upto 90 days of steam time to bloody counter in the SCS, it would probably take several months to deploy enough brigades to Europe should Russia move simultaneously

You’re not listening, none of you are

The forces you have in the region are within their striking range of PLA saturation attacks on everything from your bases to ships, the only sensible thing to do would be to pull back, PERIOD

They’re also outnumbered 3/1 on naval assets alone, those are the numbers PLA have been talking about for the past 20 years

That’s without factoring in the Russian Pacific fleet which would probably head back down to Hawaii like they were recently running attack drills

So which theatre are you pulling those ships from to send out to the SCS? Crimea? The Middle East?

You’re too thinly spread and the CCP only needs to apply max force in that one area

I really don’t understand why it’s so hard to admit it’s a huge problem and you’d like some reassurance on what exactly does the military planners have in mind to counter this threat

And like a keep saying it’s new platforms and alliances, but right now the danger on a move on Taiwan because of the above is about as high as it gets

COMPLETE NONSENSE.


Your assumptions are beyond absurd.

But doom porn seems important to you.

So done bursting your bubble.

Would it be too much to ask you for to back that claim up with some evidence to your ramblings ?

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
We’re talking about China here, they do things on a insanely large scale regularly...

And no one would notice, right? What a well thought out plan.

Of course they would

But you’re talking potentially upto 90 days of steam time to bloody counter in the SCS, it would probably take several months to deploy enough brigades to Europe should Russia move simultaneously

You’re not listening, none of you are

The forces you have in the region are within their striking range of PLA saturation attacks on everything from your bases to ships, the only sensible thing to do would be to pull back, PERIOD

They’re also outnumbered 3/1 on naval assets alone, those are the numbers PLA have been talking about for the past 20 years

That’s without factoring in the Russian Pacific fleet which would probably head back down to Hawaii like they were recently running attack drills

So which theatre are you pulling those ships from to send out to the SCS? Crimea? The Middle East?

You’re too thinly spread and the CCP only needs to apply max force in that one area

I really don’t understand why it’s so hard to admit it’s a huge problem and you’d like some reassurance on what exactly does the military planners have in mind to counter this threat

And like a keep saying it’s new platforms and alliances, but right now the danger on a move on Taiwan because of the above is about as high as it gets

COMPLETE NONSENSE.


Your assumptions are beyond absurd.

But doom porn seems important to you.

So done bursting your bubble.

Would it be too much to ask you for to back that claim up with some evidence to your ramblings ?

Study PLAN doctrine.

HINT: Their plan calls for keeping PLAN from engaging with U.S. navy or air forces. Essentially play hide the ships.

Study PLAN War Games.

Study what we did for USSR, when we had FAR fewer capabilities.

Study Jane's Defense Weekly for best publicly available information on our advanced capabilities, and same for CCP.

Study the publicly available information on quantity of resources we station in the region for CCP.

Specifically in Japan & Diego Garcia.

Study naval tactics in our own apac war games.

Realize you aren't even remotely close to reality regarding current CCP military threat to U.S. (and Taiwan, if still defended by U.S.)

(And as a bonus, learn how long it would take to increase to 4 carrier groups in the region)

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Of course they would

But you’re talking potentially upto 90 days of steam time to bloody counter in the SCS...

There's a large amount of US military hardware in the eastern Pacific. You're not sending an invasion force across the 60 mile journey and expecting them to get there.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Of course they would

But you’re talking potentially upto 90 days of steam time to bloody counter in the SCS...

There's a large amount of US military hardware in the eastern Pacific. You're not sending an invasion force across the 60 mile journey and expecting them to get there.

Not enough I mean you can just go look at the numbers yourself if you like

Then the realisation like I keep repeating is it’s mostly inside PLA DF range

So no it’s going to be under heavy saturation attacks

So you’re waiting for some ships to redeploy while building new bases around Philippines right?

originally posted by: TritonTaranisjust sounds like you’re saying only militarily superiority benefits the US?

the US military supremacy has kept the world the most peaceful its ever been in the history of humanity, so of course we have a problem with another nation disrupting the status quo we've established. despite everyone's criticism of America being power hungry and greedy, America has been a good steward that hasn't really abused its position and has mostly focused on modernizing other nations and bringing many nations out of poverty.

we couldve exploited so many nations so much worse yet we didn't, but china wont be so restrained and any offense will see Chinese retaliation, if you valued democratic freedom you can say goodbye to it when china feels upset by anything you say.

you think china will let go of Australia for all the criticism thrown at them? or Britain for their past actions? no, as soon as they can stand on equal footing they will punish many nations for crossing them.

always making out America to be the bad guy but many dont truly grasp how fragile Western democracy and human rights really are, that most of humanity still follows the old ways and the west is the only thing holding them back through inspiration because all the great things we've accomplished and great ideas we've spread that have brought prosperity and peace, and without military supremacy none of it wouldve been possible and many nations would be militarized and more aggressive towards eachother.

russia was fine in the old days because they respected the status quo and didn't make pride part of their policy, china won't be so cooperative and restrained, they are too prideful and dont care what anyone says or thinks.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
We’re talking about China here, they do things on a insanely large scale regularly...

And no one would notice, right? What a well thought out plan.

Of course they would

But you’re talking potentially upto 90 days of steam time to bloody counter in the SCS, it would probably take several months to deploy enough brigades to Europe should Russia move simultaneously

You’re not listening, none of you are

The forces you have in the region are within their striking range of PLA saturation attacks on everything from your bases to ships, the only sensible thing to do would be to pull back, PERIOD

They’re also outnumbered 3/1 on naval assets alone, those are the numbers PLA have been talking about for the past 20 years

That’s without factoring in the Russian Pacific fleet which would probably head back down to Hawaii like they were recently running attack drills

So which theatre are you pulling those ships from to send out to the SCS? Crimea? The Middle East?

You’re too thinly spread and the CCP only needs to apply max force in that one area

I really don’t understand why it’s so hard to admit it’s a huge problem and you’d like some reassurance on what exactly does the military planners have in mind to counter this threat

And like a keep saying it’s new platforms and alliances, but right now the danger on a move on Taiwan because of the above is about as high as it gets

COMPLETE NONSENSE.


Your assumptions are beyond absurd.

But doom porn seems important to you.

So done bursting your bubble.

Would it be too much to ask you for to back that claim up with some evidence to your ramblings ?

Study PLAN doctrine.

HINT: Their plan calls for keeping PLAN from engaging with U.S. navy or air forces. Essentially play hide the ships.

Study PLAN War Games.

Study what we did for USSR, when we had FAR fewer capabilities.

Study Jane's Defense Weekly for best publicly available information on our advanced capabilities, and same for CCP.

Study the publicly available information on quantity of resources we station in the region for CCP.

Specifically in Japan & Diego Garcia.

Study naval tactics in our own apac war games.

Realize you aren't even remotely close to reality regarding current CCP military threat to U.S. (and Taiwan, if still defended by U.S.)

(And as a bonus, learn how long it would take to increase to 4 carrier groups in the region)

I don’t need to study you just need to tell me how the US will wipe the PLA out I few hours

Which platforms are you referring to

And don’t say classified lol

At least give a technology demonstrator or link to the tech or R&D

Too much to ask again?

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Of course they would

But you’re talking potentially upto 90 days of steam time to bloody counter in the SCS...

There's a large amount of US military hardware in the eastern Pacific. You're not sending an invasion force across the 60 mile journey and expecting them to get there.

Not enough I mean you can just go look at the numbers yourself if you like

Then the realisation like I keep repeating is it’s mostly inside PLA DF range

So no it’s going to be under heavy saturation attacks

So you’re waiting for some ships to redeploy while building new bases around Philippines right?

Still in ww2 mode?

No new bases necessary.

No naval reinforcements immediately neccessary.

But closer to 9 days than 90. They won't need to travel far.

Taiwan is perfectly capable of defending their shores + 150 miles all on their own. Without air force.

originally posted by: namehere

originally posted by: TritonTaranisjust sounds like you’re saying only militarily superiority benefits the US?

the US military supremacy has kept the world the most peaceful its ever been in the history of humanity, so of course we have a problem with another nation disrupting the status quo we've established. despite everyone's criticism of America being power hungry and greedy, America has been a good steward that hasn't really abused its position and has mostly focused on modernizing other nations and bringing many nations out of poverty.

we couldve exploited so many nations so much worse yet we didn't, but china wont be so restrained and any offense will see Chinese retaliation, if you valued democratic freedom you can say goodbye to it when china feels upset by anything you say.

you think china will let go of Australia for all the criticism thrown at them? or Britain for their past actions? no, as soon as they can stand on equal footing they will punish many nations for crossing them.

always making out America to be the bad guy but many dont truly grasp how fragile Western democracy and human rights really are, that most of humanity still follows the old ways and the west is the only thing holding them back through inspiration because all the great things we've accomplished and great ideas we've spread that have brought prosperity and peace, and without military supremacy none of it wouldve been possible and many nations would be militarized and more aggressive towards eachother.

russia was fine in the old days because they respected the status quo and didn't make pride part of their policy, china won't be so cooperative and restrained, they are too prideful and dont care what anyone says or thinks.

I don’t disagree with a single thing you’ve said

I’m 110% USA

But pretending there is a huge concern regarding the PLA military build up and economic power

The biggest the world has seen possibly in history

I want to see tangible evidence of a successful campaign in the South China Sea

At the moment we’re on the ropes

So we just ate and I want to see it resolved, because of Taiwan falls it’s game over shortly afterwards, the group political landscape would pivot to autocracies and those peaceful days you speak of over

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

sorry but we wouldn't defeat them in hours, sorry to tell you but plans for the Soviet's would be useless because china has what they never had, a powerful economy, strong industry and technological parity. china is copying everything America has, down to policy and tactics. they learned everything from us and even improved upon many things.

i mean they are already starting to build a super carrier if that tells you anything, the biggest advantage they have is that it costs far less to build things for them, they could easily outnumber us in advanced weapons when they get going at full pace from that alone. china is the monster the Soviet union wishes it was.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Not enough I mean you can just go look at the numbers yourself if you like

Not enough missiles? Show me the numbers.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
We’re talking about China here, they do things on a insanely large scale regularly...

And no one would notice, right? What a well thought out plan.

Of course they would

But you’re talking potentially upto 90 days of steam time to bloody counter in the SCS, it would probably take several months to deploy enough brigades to Europe should Russia move simultaneously

You’re not listening, none of you are

The forces you have in the region are within their striking range of PLA saturation attacks on everything from your bases to ships, the only sensible thing to do would be to pull back, PERIOD

They’re also outnumbered 3/1 on naval assets alone, those are the numbers PLA have been talking about for the past 20 years

That’s without factoring in the Russian Pacific fleet which would probably head back down to Hawaii like they were recently running attack drills

So which theatre are you pulling those ships from to send out to the SCS? Crimea? The Middle East?

You’re too thinly spread and the CCP only needs to apply max force in that one area

I really don’t understand why it’s so hard to admit it’s a huge problem and you’d like some reassurance on what exactly does the military planners have in mind to counter this threat

And like a keep saying it’s new platforms and alliances, but right now the danger on a move on Taiwan because of the above is about as high as it gets

COMPLETE NONSENSE.


Your assumptions are beyond absurd.

But doom porn seems important to you.

So done bursting your bubble.

Would it be too much to ask you for to back that claim up with some evidence to your ramblings ?

Study PLAN doctrine.

HINT: Their plan calls for keeping PLAN from engaging with U.S. navy or air forces. Essentially play hide the ships.

Study PLAN War Games.

Study what we did for USSR, when we had FAR fewer capabilities.

Study Jane's Defense Weekly for best publicly available information on our advanced capabilities, and same for CCP.

Study the publicly available information on quantity of resources we station in the region for CCP.

Specifically in Japan & Diego Garcia.

Study naval tactics in our own apac war games.

Realize you aren't even remotely close to reality regarding current CCP military threat to U.S. (and Taiwan, if still defended by U.S.)

(And as a bonus, learn how long it would take to increase to 4 carrier groups in the region)

I don’t need to study you just need to tell me how the US will wipe the PLA out I few hours

Which platforms are you referring to

And don’t say classified lol

At least give a technology demonstrator or link to the tech or R&D

Too much to ask again?

Yes. Too much to ask.

Pushing rules already.

The answers are available as described for anyone willing to go look.

originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

sorry but we wouldn't defeat them in hours, sorry to tell you but plans for the Soviet's would be useless because china has what they never had, a powerful economy, strong industry and technological parity. china is copying everything America has, down to policy and tactics. they learned everything from us and even improved upon many things.

i mean they are already starting to build a super carrier if that tells you anything, the biggest advantage they have is that it costs far less to build things for them, they could easily outnumber us in advanced weapons when they get going at full pace from that alone. china is the monster the Soviet union wishes it was.

Said PLAN would be sunk or burning within hours, or even minutes. NOT CCP itself.

U.S. trains for this every year. In detail.

CCP plan for PLAN is to hide their ships in widest area possible, to keep USN busy looking for them.

CCP has problem. We Already know where they are, and they are always within range.

Minutes.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

sorry but we wouldn't defeat them in hours, sorry to tell you but plans for the Soviet's would be useless because china has what they never had, a powerful economy, strong industry and technological parity. china is copying everything America has, down to policy and tactics. they learned everything from us and even improved upon many things.

i mean they are already starting to build a super carrier if that tells you anything, the biggest advantage they have is that it costs far less to build things for them, they could easily outnumber us in advanced weapons when they get going at full pace from that alone. china is the monster the Soviet union wishes it was.

Said PLAN would be sunk or burning within hours, or even minutes. NOT CCP itself.

U.S. trains for this every year. In detail.

CCP plan for PLAN is to hide their ships in widest area possible, to keep USN busy looking for them.

CCP has problem. We Already know where they are, and they are always within range.

Minutes.

No they’re not always within range what on earth are you talking about

You’re going to sink the PLA within a few hours lmao

Show me what that looks like please