U.S. Pacific intel chief: Coming Chinese attack on Taiwan could target other nations

a reply to: penroc3

No the ghost cities were set up to modernize China. In the past cities were created because of some natural resources such as rivers or mining or fertile land. These caused cities to grow around them what China did was but cities thinking they could create the demand. To some extent, they indeed have as they move factories into these cities. What they are is just Chinas attempt to modernize its economy. And its working people don't realize they have high-speed rail all over the country one of the few nations that do. Transportation wise they are way ahead of everyone. Each of these cities not only are connected by high-speed rail but have rail throughout the city as well. China is investing huge amounts of money on infrastructure.

As far as the ghost cities no one has ever done this it turns out it takes time to fill the cities. What used to be ghost cities are now filled and thriving as they move to an industrial nation. it appears it takes about 15 years from when they build it to where it becomes used. Several built-in early 1990s are just now reaching capacity.

I will venture to say China will have the most modern society in about 50 years.

a reply to: dragonridr

i was saying it tongue in cheek

ive been to a few of the ghost cities and they look nice on the outside but are already falling apart to the point where people cant safely live in them.

it was china's economic boom that was partially fuelding by building these ghost cities

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: dragonridr

i was saying it tongue in cheek

ive been to a few of the ghost cities and they look nice on the outside but are already falling apart to the point where people cant safely live in them.

it was china's economic boom that was partially fuelding by building these ghost cities

Well yes, that's true they can build a high rise in a week where in the states it takes a year. So they cut corners however things still collapse in the united states as well recent events in Florida prove that. Chinese have this weird part of their culture they believe everything must be maintained and build accordingly.

a reply to: dragonridr

have you been to China? it is SCARY being in some of the buildings there and they are brand new.


yes ONE building has collapsed here in the states but the fact that it is world wide news means it is a very rare event and the fact that China's MULTIPLE collapses a year is because they happen all the time.

If you haven't been look it up on google if you want to see some WILD stuff.


China used the building of those cities as huge public work programs, the reason no one is there is because no one asked for them and they are sub par quality at best.

that's how they have had positive growth financially for years, a construction/housing bubble.

a reply to: penroc3

Yes been there a few times but you also misunderstand things about the culture. For them, it's normal to have to fix cement for example. Work crews are constantly repairing things in the cities. This was done for 2 reasons. One is a works project constantly having people to maintain buildings etc. The other is in China they like new so things get painted plastered and repaired constantly. Any sign of wear and they replace it is not about making it last. This is a huge difference from the US economy. You want to purchase stuff that lasts in China they want to be able to replace it cheaply. But were straying off the topic.

Currently, the CCP is becoming a major threat to everyone because its business model is unsustainable. They need Taiwan for example to expand their exports. Taiwan is the number one producer of semiconductors basically electronics, And they are used throughout the world. Here's the funny part they supply about 60 percent of the electronic parts China uses to build their electronics.

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mirv hitting its tart at the ATOL


death from space



believe this was a MX



loading the end of the world a few cities or silos

a reply to: dragonridr

my house is 40 years old and is a rock

there are buildings in m,y city over 75 years old pushing 100 floors that i would have no second thought of my safety in

there is no excuse for China to build just to show a growth in GDP, as it will only come back to roost


China is a third world country with 1st world cities. In China there is a tier system for cities and the lower the tier the poorer you are or you a minority, ghettos basically


I HAVE BEEN to China for months and months at a time and worked in a hospital, i definitively understand most of their culture and on top of that the social credit system, where they can take you freedom to travel from you.

Chinese people are amazing, strong and resilient people they just need to get the pooh bear off their backs

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: misskat1
a reply to: TritonTaranis
No wonder we are leaving Afghanistan, Warmongers found a better war to get involved in.

You don’t really have a choice unless you like being ruled over by a genocidal regime unfortunately

This would be the equivalent of giving Hitler free reign over Europe, hesitancy, tbh it’s already gotten to this point which is bad enough

They are no more genocidal than the US, we just have chosen middle easterners as our choice of genocide material. One could say they are less genocidal. They are certainly not as invested with killing people in foreign countries than us.

Comparing china to the nazis is just plain stupid.

Are the general unwashed masses still believing the china and Russia are evil nonsense.

Be afraid America, be constantly afraid.y

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: misskat1
a reply to: TritonTaranis
No wonder we are leaving Afghanistan, Warmongers found a better war to get involved in.

You don’t really have a choice unless you like being ruled over by a genocidal regime unfortunately

This would be the equivalent of giving Hitler free reign over Europe, hesitancy, tbh it’s already gotten to this point which is bad enough

They are no more genocidal than the US, we just have chosen middle easterners as our choice of genocide material. One could say they are less genocidal. They are certainly not as invested with killing people in foreign countries than us.

Comparing china to the nazis is just plain stupid.

Are the general unwashed masses still believing the china and Russia are evil nonsense.

Be afraid America, be constantly afraid.y

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: face23785

Why do you think its doom porn? wouldn't be a big deal to be honest Shina cant take Taiwan. currently, there is 3 aircraft carriers in Taiwan straight. You bought into China propaganda.

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I doubt you'll read it, but the tl;dr version is in a combat simulation in which China tried to take Taiwan, the US failed to defend it. Not just failed, but "failed miserably."

I guess the US military bought into Chinese propaganda too? Maybe some China fans who were in charge of setting up the exercise purposefully stacked the deck against us to make the US look bad?

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: misskat1
a reply to: TritonTaranis
No wonder we are leaving Afghanistan, Warmongers found a better war to get involved in.

You don’t really have a choice unless you like being ruled over by a genocidal regime unfortunately

This would be the equivalent of giving Hitler free reign over Europe, hesitancy, tbh it’s already gotten to this point which is bad enough

They are no more genocidal than the US, we just have chosen middle easterners as our choice of genocide material. One could say they are less genocidal.

No genocide is going on in the middle east at the hands of the US. Lay off the propaganda.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: face23785

Why do you think its doom porn? wouldn't be a big deal to be honest Shina cant take Taiwan. currently, there is 3 aircraft carriers in Taiwan straight. You bought into China propaganda.

Business Insider

I doubt you'll read it, but the tl;dr version is in a combat simulation in which China tried to take Taiwan, the US failed to defend it. Not just failed, but "failed miserably."

I guess the US military bought into Chinese propaganda too? Maybe some China fans who were in charge of setting up the exercise purposefully stacked the deck against us to make the US look bad?

China will rattle sabers but in reality, they don't have the force for an all-out invasion. What they would have to do is cut it into 3 parts, seizing Quemoy (Kinmen) and other islands close to the mainland, capturing the Peng
Hu Islands, and assaulting Taiwan’s west coast. Although Quemoy is heavily fortified with tunnel and bunker complexes, the Chinese would have little difficulty amassing five-to-one odds against Quemoy’s fifty-five thousand defenders.

So I'm almost positive this would be the start until then it's all just hype. because they couldn't afford to leave these guys within striking distance of China. With short-range rockets which they have, they could pummel Chinese ports. Taiwan isnt going to just sit there if China attacks and Chinese losses would be significant since most of their army is conscription for a whole 4 months. A weird version of the reserves where they have to report for 1 month 4 times a year. Their basic training is 30 days and has very little combat focus. In fact, it's mostly discipline uniform and marching. I read one article that said their weapons training was 30 to 40 rounds it was up to their unit to provide additional training.

China can scream as loud as they like but in reality, when these people start dying they will run.

a reply to: dragonridr

You might want to alert the generals, who must not know any of that.

Or it's not as cut and dry as you think. But no, that can't be it. You can't even entertain the possibility that you're wrong.

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: dragonridr

You might want to alert the generals, who must not know any of that.

Or it's not as cut and dry as you think. But no, that can't be it. You can't even entertain the possibility that you're wrong.

Red line has already been crossed and China backed down.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: penroc3

No the ghost cities were set up to modernize China. In the past cities were created because of some natural resources such as rivers or mining or fertile land. These caused cities to grow around them what China did was but cities thinking they could create the demand. To some extent, they indeed have as they move factories into these cities. What they are is just Chinas attempt to modernize its economy. And its working people don't realize they have high-speed rail all over the country one of the few nations that do. Transportation wise they are way ahead of everyone. Each of these cities not only are connected by high-speed rail but have rail throughout the city as well. China is investing huge amounts of money on infrastructure.

As far as the ghost cities no one has ever done this it turns out it takes time to fill the cities. What used to be ghost cities are now filled and thriving as they move to an industrial nation. it appears it takes about 15 years from when they build it to where it becomes used. Several built-in early 1990s are just now reaching capacity.

I will venture to say China will have the most modern society in about 50 years.

You're absolutely dreaming like the CCP unfortunately

many of these cities are crumbling to dust, many of them are 15 years a ghost city tens of millions

dude its a property bubble of astronomical size, and covid just popped it

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Which is precisely why China will not lift a finger on Taiwan. They've got too many domestic "fish" to fry right now, they're not going to start WWIII on top of it. China would implode from within if they did that!

You even said as much yourself in your most recent post. They've constructed more infrastructure than they can possibly occupy or use...within China. Why would they want to increase their footprint to include Taiwan, a country poor in resources other than labor? China's already got that. What China would really like is to get their grubby mitts on the resource rich Russian far east, but Putin is acutely aware of this and he's made this clear to China (by pointing a whole bunch of nukes at them). Hence China's increasing influence in the Baltics; they're trying to destabilize Russia politically on the south so they can face less resistance when the time comes for the Russian far east. Taiwan is just a ruse. Think about it, it makes no sense.

In some respects it seems like you've come around 180 degrees from your OP, and now you appear to be countering your initial assertions.

The western media is always spinning things, and they spin Russia and China to appear as allies when in fact they are actually arch rivals when all the TV lights are turned off.

I watched the same thing which is happening in China happen in Malaysia back in the 90's. I lived both there and in China for several years. What China can expect next is increasing speculative investment in all the that excess infrastructure once the bottom falls out (and it will). Foreign investors will go on a bargain bonanza, just like they did in Malaysia, and their economy will spiral downward out of control. You said another thing also which seems to be at odds with your OP (and I happen to heartily agree with it), that covid may just be the pin which pops the bubble. It very will might. Just further reinforcement that China is not going to move on Taiwan.

China invading Taiwan and potentially touching off a wider conflict would likely spark a revolt within China. The Chinese people are already pissed off that China built all this 'stuff' for a people that will never come. They are not happy about this, and this sentiment is widespread across mainland China. Jinping isn't about to light the fuse to the massive stack of dynamite sitting directly under his own chair.

Watch your first video again, especially at the end. It really says it all. Great video BTW!

ETA - Oh, and the irony of what happened in Malaysia is...it was the Chinese who were the foreign investors! LOL! As a matter of fact, the condo where I lived was owned by one of those Chinese investors, and the only people who could afford to lease them were expats like me. When Soros crashed their economy in '97 by speculating with their currency, they kicked all the expats out (well, the economy couldn't support the expats any longer). And what happened to all those Chinese speculators? "For Rent" signs went up all over the place, just like they're doing in China now. Those signs never came down and millions lost it all. Same stuff, different country. Just on a much larger scale in China.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

You cant use videos from 10 years ago as evidence. There is currently over 14 million in the city as of 2020. Want to go visit your supposedly empty city?

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They built the cities then people move in it can take a decade for them to reach capacity. Chinas idea was to get people from rural areas to want to live there they did this by building infrastructure. You offer cheap housing and jobs and people move in. And just simply throw in a lot of perks such as internet night clubs concerts etc. China has the opposite problem of the US people are moving into big cities not away from them.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

one of my favorite south Africans


don't forget about chinas 50 cent army of astro turffers and sock puppets


Pakistan and Chinas buddy buddy relationship is very odd to me seeing as it is the only Muslim founded state, i know it is a new party push there trying to get another blue water port.


in China even in the better areas there is this attitude of 'good enough' by the people in charge that way they can pocket millions of dollars.

a reply to: dragonridr

I lived in CHina for a good amount of time, I have seen them with my own eyes.


those apartments in the empty cities are selling for 100,000$+


what normal Chinese person is going to be able to afford that in their life times



China is making it very hard for ANY non Chinese people to live there so its not for them, the élite already have their setup that im sure is nicer than a crappy apartment


it was to show positive growth and were used as public works programs

It’s not unusual for Chinese merchant vessels to participate in the PLA’s operations and Bang Chui Dao, a 15,560-ton roll-on roll-off ferry, has been used before to support military transportation exercises. But where such ships might have been limited to accessing port terminals before, the ferry’s stern ramp had been converted to enable it to launch and recover a 26-ton ZTD-05, an amphibious armored vehicle used by the Chinese military, according to a brief published by The Jamestown Foundation earlier this month.

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The key technical development demonstrated in its July 2020 exercise with the PLANMC is the converted stern ramp installed on the Bang Chui Dao. The ship’s previous straight stern ramp (shown above) was a hydraulic-powered ramp type often seen on RO-ROs. At some point in the past few years, this vessel’s stern ramp was converted to enable amphibious launch. Video of this capability appeared during a 2019 state media profile of an officer at the former Nanjing Military Region Military Representative Office for Navigational Matters, showing the vessel’s ability to recover a ZTD-05 amphibious assault vehicle, likely from a PLAGF amphibious unit (CCTV-Military Report, May 14, 2019).

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An unsurprising development that might interest armchair strategists and military planners: I suspect that the vessels in question might fill a logistical resupply role if China invades Taiwan. Of course, they might form a part of the Task Force that lands the second or third wave of troops ashore. My thinking is that civilian vessels are kept in reserve until the on-shore defences are neutralised.

The obvious downside to using unarmed (including defensive systems) vessels is that they are vulnerable to enemy action. No doubt, the lessons from the loss of the SS Atlantic Conveyor in the Falklands war are relevant today.