Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Boadicea

You got that backwards. Several of us have given very strong arguments why this audit is a joke, not secure, bias, ect... and instead of addressing those issues you just say 'orange man bad'.

Quit ignoring the elephant in the room.

I don't understand what is trying to be accomplished it cant change the results of the election.

The POINT is to get it out there that Biden won Arizona due to Democrats and corrupt Republicans CHEATING.

1) That will open the door to MI-WI-PA-GA proving the same.

2) That will spell the doom of Democrats in 2022 and 2024.

So what makes you think this audit will be any different from the others? Is the plan to just keep auditing until the next election? The bottom line is this there have been 3 audits done already none found voter fraud. Even if this one does it would seem partisan and suspect. It also cant change election results so it is really lacking a purpose other than politics. A Republican legislature didn't like the elections results no surprise there. All this did was hurt the republican party at this point because your staking everything on finding something. If they dont they look like fools, So now they need to find something but yet we are supposed to believe it is not partisan at this point.

This is the classic paint yourself into a corner and wait for the paint to dry.

a reply to: dragonridr

Let's be honest here has nothing to do with it.

Yes, let's be honest. Completely honest. Not just cherry picked half truths and mistruths.

The state had already conducted multiple audits of ballots and machines...

None of which were as comprehensive and extensive as this audit. For example, previous audits only examined a few of the total machines, and a limited number of ballots, as opposed to this audit wherein ALL machines and ALL ballots are being examined.

... and several lawsuits also did discovery no instances of fraud were found. How many times do you think the state needs to check these things?

No, there were no lawsuits that granted "discovery."

The only lawsuit that matters is the one Maricopa County brought against the Senate to fight the subpoenas for ALL election materials -- ballots, machines, etc. Maricopa County lost. The Senate won.

It's more than a little disingenuous to invoke "lawsuits" as the standard and then ignore the only lawsuit that matters in this instance.

Give the people the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and we will figure it out. Then the chips will fall where they may.

a reply to: dragonridr

It also cant change election results so it is really lacking a purpose other than politics.

It (probably) cannot change the 2020 election results... but it can most definitely change future election results.

As the Senate has stated repeatedly and from the beginning, the Senate has only one purpose in doing this audit: To inform and inspire necessary and proper election reform by investigating, identifying and correcting the weaknesses and faults in the current system.

That is the purpose. And that is happening. And that is devastating for the cheaters and wouldbe cheaters.

a reply to: dragonridr

Let's be honest here has nothing to do with it.

Uh no!
IMO it has EVERYTHING to do with it.

The government does exist to serve the people.
Transparency is to be the rule NOT the exception.
The people own all that taxpayers pay for.

The arguments against such expose other agendas.

a reply to: carewemust

The Republicans is doomed in 2022 mid terms. The party is split, reasonable people are abandoning it.

What will happen is the GOP will lose more Senate and House seats in 2022, this will give the Biden administration a super majority. After 2022 the Republican party will be forced to either abandon Trumpism or risk becoming irrelevant in 2024.

The damage has been done thanks to your dear leader and his lies and spineless leadership by the GOP who choose Trump's lies over integrity. While in the short term it may have secured donor money, the long term it secures a self destructive path for the Republican party.

Right now maybe 25% of the voters support the direction the GOP is going, by 2022 it will be even lower, likely less than 20%.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: carewemust

The Republicans is doomed in 2022 mid terms. The party is split, reasonable people are abandoning it.

What will happen is the GOP will lose more Senate and House seats in 2022, this will give the Biden administration a super majority. After 2022 the Republican party will be forced to either abandon Trumpism or risk becoming irrelevant in 2024.

The damage has been done thanks to your dear leader and his lies and spineless leadership by the GOP who choose Trump's lies over integrity. While in the short term it may have secured donor money, the long term it secures a self destructive path for the Republican party.

Right now maybe 25% of the voters support the direction the GOP is going, by 2022 it will be even lower, likely less than 20%.

None of which has anything to do with the op.
Start that thread.
I have no doubts it will be popular.

a reply to: Boadicea

Of course, there were lawsuits filed apparently you were unaware of this. Really doesn't surprise me you didn't look into things.

On November 16, 2020, the Election Integrity Project of Nevada filed a lawsuit against the state of Nevada, claiming to have found "extensive evidence" of voter fraud. The group asked for the election results to be invalidated and a new election to be ordered.

The Nevada Republican Party and the Trump campaign filed Law v. Whitmer on November 17, 2020, in the Nevada First Judicial District Court in Carson City. The six electors pledged to Biden are named as defendants, and the lawsuit asks to either pledge all six electors to Trump or else to annul the election results.

On November 16, 2020, Jim Marchant filed a lawsuit against Clark County Registrar of Voters, Joseph P. Gloria, asking for a new election to be held. Marchant, a Republican congressional candidate, lost his bid against Democratic incumbent Steven Horsford.

On November 5, 2020, plaintiffs Jill Stokke, Chris Prudhome, Marchant for Congress, and Rodimer for Congress sued Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske and Clark County Registrar of Voters Joseph P. Gloria for illegal conduct. The initial complaint, filed in the United States District Court for the District of Nevada on November 5, 2020, accused the defendants of "illegal conduct" across three counts, including "violations of the Elections Clause", violations of Equal Protection Clause (enforceable under 18 U.S.C. § 1983), and the "violation of Nev. Rev. Stat. §§ 293.8881 and 293.363" respectively.

On November 16, 2020, Republican state senate candidate April Becker filed a lawsuit in state court against the Clark County Registrar of Voters, Joseph P. Gloria, asking for a new election to be held. Becker challenged the mailing of ballots to all registered voters and the use of automated software Agilis to verify signatures, arguing that state law requires a human review of the signatures.

Now to go in front of a judge you need evidence and this is why judges have a discovery so the attys can find said evidence.

So these attys obviously couldn't find the evidence to satisfy a judge even when they had access and would obviously hire someone to check.

So yes not only 3 audits but you had attorneys looking through the information as well. So I think you're being disingenuous not mentioning the prior lawsuits oh and this wasn't all of them either.

So do you really believe this can find anything the others couldn't? As i said purely partisan at this point but then again its not my money I'm not from Nevada. If they want to flush money down the toilet who am i to say anything. But i still say it was pointless if it cants change the election. And the excuse they can use is to change election laws they have a majority they don't need to audit all they have to do is vote.

a reply to: shooterbrody

I was replying to the poster....not the OP who keeps being proven wrong and who along with the OP thinks this circus show they are calling an audit will benefit the GOP in the next election cycle(it won't).

My posts generally age well, the OP and the poster I was replying to posts do not.

How much would you be willing to bet the GOP wins more seats in 2022?

I think 34 Senate seats are up....

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Boadicea

Of course, there were lawsuits filed...

This OP is about the Arizona audit. I was speaking to the Arizona audit.

I will repeat that the ONLY lawsuit that matters is the one Maricopa County LOST trying to fight the AZ Senate subpoenas for ALL election materials. Which, of course, is for all intents and purposes "discovery."

Therefore, right here and now, the only DISCOVERY that matters is what is discovered in this audit.

a reply to: jrod

...the OP thinks this circus show they are calling an audit will benefit the GOP in the next election cycle(it won't).

LOL! Wrong. I have no idea if this will benefit the GOP in either the short term or the long term. I am not interested in benefitting the GOP or any political party.

This will benefit We The People. That's what matters to me.

My posts generally age well, the OP and the poster I was replying to posts do not.

LOL!!! Teeheehee!!! Hahaha! ROFLMAO!!!

Okay. Whatever.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: shooterbrody

I was replying to the poster....not the OP who keeps being proven wrong and who along with the OP thinks this circus show they are calling an audit will benefit the GOP in the next election cycle(it won't).

My posts generally age well, the OP and the poster I was replying to posts do not.

How much would you be willing to bet the GOP wins more seats in 2022?

I think 34 Senate seats are up....

I think the GOP will gain seats as well typical in a midterm. However its not cut and dry there are 34 U.S. Senate seats up for regular election in 2022—14 seats held by Democrats and 20 held by Republicans. If republicans damage their brand they could lose seats.

Things that make you go "hmmmmm"...

SOUTH UNION TOWNSHIP, Pa. (KDKA) — Elections officials in Fayette County are working to solve a problem dealing with voting machines not accepting ballots.

Numerous voters have contacted KDKA, reporting that their Republican ballots were not accepted.

The Fayette County Bureau of Elections has confirmed that precincts across the county are having issues with machines not scanning bar codes on all ballots, for both Republicans and Democrats.

Hutchison Elementary School, the polling location for South Union Township’s 3rd voting district, was among those having issues on Tuesday morning.

Chris Varney, Judge of Elections says they were initially under the impression that it was a problem with all ballots, but then determined it was only a problem with Republican ballots.

Some Voting Machines In Fayette Co. Not Accepting Ballots

Thank you, Rep Gosar!

The DOJ should be assisting the Arizona audit to make sure voters were not illegally disenfranchised instead of attempting to obstruct justice.

Rep Paul Gosar Twitter

Rep Gosar, along with Andy Biggs, Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene, also sent a letter to the DOJ regarding their involvement in the AZ audit that you can read at the link. He brings up the Senate's letter to the County, as well as their perceived intimidation of AZ officials by the Fed DOJ, and ends with this:

At your earliest convenience but no later than Thursday, May 20, please respond to this letter with a commitment to uphold the rule of law and allow Arizona to confirm the 2020 elections were free and fair.

I like that. Put everyone on record now for future reference.

a reply to: Boadicea

What is Congress willing to do, if the Department of Justice does not respond by the 20th of May... This coming thursday?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

What is Congress willing to do, if the Department of Justice does not respond by the 20th of May... This coming thursday?

I guess we'll find out together, eh?

My gut has been screaming at me for days that there's a whole lot of taunting and challenging and even threatening going on behind the scenes, and between the lines of everything being said publicly. They have an obvious but superficial meaning to the public, who are not privy to the private conversations. But they have a very deep and profound meaning to those who are privy to the behind the scenes talk.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

What is Congress willing to do, if the Department of Justice does not respond by the 20th of May... This coming thursday?

Maybe Congress would be willing to sit down to tea and crumpets?

ETA: GP has a link and the livestream too: LIVE-STREAM VIDEO: AZ Senate Holds Hearing at 4 PM ET – Will Include: Audit Update from Vendor! – Address Questions on Missing Files with Maricopa County Supervisors

a reply to: jrod

The Republicans is doomed in 2022 mid terms.

How do you figure, the numbers for inflation already look UGLY, increased spending will NOT fix that it will make it worse, its the Democrats that want 10 trillion in spending before the first summer is up.

If the inflation trends continue we may not have a democratic party after the mid terms, unfortunately with 28 trillion in debt there isnt much we can do to combat inflation, so its not like the republicans can fix it.

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: 111DPKING111

After reading this Twitter post from the Maricopa county supervisors: twitter.com...

I can no longer recall WHY the forensic audit is being conducted in the first place.

Is it happening due to someone's "gut feeling"? Or due to some statistical or tangible evidence that the election result in Maricopa county was not what the majority of citizens wanted?

CyberNinjas have never conducted anything like this 'forensic audit' before. They don't know what they are doing. It's all a massive bad joke.

That's good to know. Can you please list all the things they are doing that is wrong? And then, you being an expert, please list all the things that they SHOULD be doing. Thanks in advance.

I mean, since you must have conducted many forensic audits before, you would know. Correct? Please enlighten us - it would be extremely helpful.

You’re asking ALOT of a parrot. You know they just repeat, they don’t actually understand.

Well, he most likely is being deceitful. But, it may just be ignorance, so I have hopes of pointing things out like this and maybe they'll see what they're doing and learn.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: Boadicea

Hmmmm... slick deflection there... but knowledge and expertise exists whether or not the dirty Feds have granted their dirty "credentials" and "certifications" or not.

It's not a deflection. What you're asking your fellow citizens to do is throw ANY monkeys at the problem, hope they come up with the outcome you desire, with authority by a governing body who ALSO does not understand the intricacies of aforementioned forensics, and hope that no one is the wiser for allowing unqualified parties to "report" on the most sacred of US rights.... the vote.

One could be forgiven for believing that you support perpetrating the exact same fraud you're decrying and the Raison D'Etre for this audit in the first place.

Either you've not kept up with the thread, are intentionally ignoring it or something like that. She has said a hundred times what outcome she desires - transparent elections. Evidently you are against that. Deflect your way out of that.