Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Boadicea

If Some OTHER States Not to be Mentioned decide to Follow Suit with Ariz . , then Donald J. Trump could STILL be The POTUS......Hmm.........


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Is the Arizona Senate the same as the Arizona Legislature? In PA-WI-GA, the state legislatures are Republican majority, but there was always 1 or 2 Republicans who backed out of requesting a forensic audit, and sided with the Democrats, at the last minute. Those state lawmakers gave in to some kind of bribe, or intimidation, imo.

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: carewemust

It’s still Just the county. They just want to do every race in the county now. Not just president and senate. I don’t think they would want to do that if they didn’t find anything but maybe I’m jaded.

I sense typical government-think at work. The auditors and AZ senate are already facing hurricane force headwinds, yet they want to take on more baggage? Finish this task. It Seems to be all they can handle at the moment, anyway.

a reply to: Guiltyguitarist


Biden Allegedly Won Arizona by 10,457 Votes Over President Trump . If 10,458 Votes are Deemed Fraudulent , then Trump WON the State of Arizona .

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: carewemust
Can we start using butt-hurt snowflake again? You caused me to stop, about 2.5 years ago.

Not seeing the connection.

He doesn’t want me saying “the only reason we’re having these audits is because butt-hurt Trumpsters can’t accept that they lost”.

Now, granted, it’s not my style — and I don’t think I’ve used it in the past. Probably won’t use it again. I might have, in the past, commented about him using the term. I don’t remember.

But, it’s accurate.

Pepperidge Farms remembers. And I remember. I asked you to please stop calling people names the last time you used that phrase in this thread. Seems like your ol' memory isn't what it used to be, eh? There is no place for name calling anywhere. Please please refrain from it. I'm asking nicely.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit
Only if they are all Biden votes, more needed, really. Then, if so, then they will have to do the other counties too. Mostly the best that be proved is not who won, but that we don't know. And what of all the other things on the ballot that were slocse?

Actually the whole point of this circus is to discredit elections altogether.

Latest update from Kelli Ward... rebukes Maricopa's arrogance. Just once the hammer of justice needs to swing. Hopefully they have the spine for it.

a reply to: 111DPKING111

After reading this Twitter post from the Maricopa county supervisors: twitter.com...

I can no longer recall WHY the forensic audit is being conducted in the first place.

Is it happening due to someone's "gut feeling"? Or due to some statistical or tangible evidence that the election result in Maricopa county was not what the majority of citizens wanted?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: 111DPKING111

After reading this Twitter post from the Maricopa county supervisors: twitter.com...

I can no longer recall WHY the forensic audit is being conducted in the first place.

Is it happening due to someone's "gut feeling"? Or due to some statistical or tangible evidence that the election result in Maricopa county was not what the majority of citizens wanted?

You're kidding, right? Oh come on, you know exactly why it's being carried out - true believers like you, who constantly wailed that the only way that your beloved Orange bloviator could have lost in November of last year was fraud, refused to believe that the vote could have been a fair one and funded this joke of an audit that no-one is taking seriously but them, egged on by The Donald as he sulks in Florida.
CyberNinjas have never conducted anything like this 'forensic audit' before. They don't know what they are doing. It's all a massive bad joke.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: 111DPKING111

After reading this Twitter post from the Maricopa county supervisors: twitter.com...

I can no longer recall WHY the forensic audit is being conducted in the first place.

Is it happening due to someone's "gut feeling"? Or due to some statistical or tangible evidence that the election result in Maricopa county was not what the majority of citizens wanted?

CyberNinjas have never conducted anything like this 'forensic audit' before. They don't know what they are doing. It's all a massive bad joke.

That's good to know. Can you please list all the things they are doing that is wrong? And then, you being an expert, please list all the things that they SHOULD be doing. Thanks in advance.

I mean, since you must have conducted many forensic audits before, you would know. Correct? Please enlighten us - it would be extremely helpful.

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: Boadicea

youtu.be...
Maricopa expands audit

I read about this idea a couple days ago. They are trying to line up machines from a California company, then run all the ballots through different machines and see what results they get. I think they are taking their cue from the auditors in (iirc) Antrim, where they ran all the ballots through different machines, getting different results from different machines, and favoring Democrat candidates over Republican candidates.

I don't think it's definite yet. And it would only be for that purpose that they would expand from just president and congress critters examined on the physical ballots inspection.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Boadicea

If Some OTHER States Not to be Mentioned decide to Follow Suit with Ariz . , then Donald J. Trump could STILL be The POTUS......Hmm.........

Well, yes and no... it might prove that Trump actually won the election, and prove that the current crop running the show are cheating cheaters, but there's no legal means for uncertifying and uninaugurating the Thief-in-Chief and reinstating Trump. No matter what the votes show.

I also strongly suspect that by the time anything could be proven and done about it, that Biden would be out and Kamala would be in. So that would be two legal processes that would have to be undone, for which we currently have no means to do so.

No doubt some creative legal types will come up with a way to do so, but I don't know that it would happen.

We don't know anything at this point really.

a reply to: shooterbrody

You know, if the county thought the state was doing something illegal, I might understand, but just to stop sunshine; this is all kinds of bizzaro world crazy.

Which is especially bizzare because the Senate is the body that makes the laws -- and they know that! They have been told multiple times by multiple courts that the Senate has the power to make the laws.

But this is a pattern. It started before the election when the then County Recorder, Adrian Fontes, was changing policies and procedures, and even after the Supreme Court told him to cease, he continued. It's the County that has trampled the law, trampled rights, and trampled the entire process.

Every single voter that was refused/denied a new ballot had their vote stolen. Period. The election workers -- upon Fontes' instruction -- stole their right to vote for themselves and handed it off to an "adjudicator" who voted for them. Every single one is a stolen vote.

Why does anyone in government ever think the taxpayers are not entitled to full transparency?

Because they can... and are cheered on by plenty of people not in government. That needs to change, and I hope this audit is just the beginning.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Guiltyguitarist


Biden Allegedly Won Arizona by 10,457 Votes Over President Trump . If 10,458 Votes are Deemed Fraudulent , then Trump WON the State of Arizona .

And if only 5,250 votes are determined to be flipped -- a Trump vote wrongly given to Biden -- then Trump won. Because that vote counts for two votes in the margin of error when it's taken from Biden and given back to Trump.

With over 200,000 adjudicated ballots, I'd say the chances are pretty good that happened. And that's unconscionable. There is no place for adjudicating ballots in our elections. None.

originally posted by: TheBoomersRBusted
a reply to: Zanti Misfit
Only if they are all Biden votes, more needed, really.

Nope, not necessarily. If votes were flipped, whether by machine or adjudication, just correcting those votes would account for two votes in that margin of 10,500. So only half that would be needed to tie, one more would be a win for Trump.

Actually the whole point of this circus is to discredit elections altogether.

That's just ridiculous. If you had said it was to discredit the voting machines altogether, or to just discredit the Dominion voting machines altogether, I would disagree. But elections themselves? No.

Free and fair elections are the backbone of the Republic.

a reply to: 111DPKING111

Thanks for posting the link!

I've been waiting to hear more from Bennett and Ward about the joke of a meeting, and where the Senate is going from here. It's going to get intense from here on out...

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: 111DPKING111

After reading this Twitter post from the Maricopa county supervisors: twitter.com...

I can no longer recall WHY the forensic audit is being conducted in the first place.

Is it happening due to someone's "gut feeling"? Or due to some statistical or tangible evidence that the election result in Maricopa county was not what the majority of citizens wanted?

CyberNinjas have never conducted anything like this 'forensic audit' before. They don't know what they are doing. It's all a massive bad joke.

That's good to know. Can you please list all the things they are doing that is wrong? And then, you being an expert, please list all the things that they SHOULD be doing. Thanks in advance.

I mean, since you must have conducted many forensic audits before, you would know. Correct? Please enlighten us - it would be extremely helpful.

You’re asking ALOT of a parrot. You know they just repeat, they don’t actually understand.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

Can you please list all the things they are doing that is wrong?

If you'll indulge me, allow me to pick up the mantle here. It's not really a matter of "correct way" versus "incorrect way". The point is, (if i were to tack on a prefix of cyber to a vocation), what is being done is tantamount to having CyberCarpenters do the work of CyberElectricians.

CyberNinja's are proficient at cycbersecurity; in securing systems with pre-existing high level layers of operating system libraries and functionality without having to deal with the low level subsystems (thats everything that is mapped in the BIOS and before the bootstrap, up to and including that the HDD, SSD etc is in a state to be used for the bootstrap - including but not limited to, mapping out sectors of the HDD/SSD/SCSI, device conformity, checking for bad blocks).

The point behind the long-winded explanation is that electronic forensics take place at the low-level end of the electronic spectrum, not at the high-level OS operational level.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
please list all the things that they SHOULD be doing.

Simple really, be qualified and certified to perform electronic forensics at the subsystem level. They are not geared for that.

From their own website

It is our job to equip and provide others with the data and skills necessary to build secure software.

Being qualified to consult on building secure software is worlds apart from dealing with digital/electronic forensics. There is (and should be) a distinction of those 2 vocations.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: 111DPKING111

After reading this Twitter post from the Maricopa county supervisors: twitter.com...

I can no longer recall WHY the forensic audit is being conducted in the first place.

Is it happening due to someone's "gut feeling"? Or due to some statistical or tangible evidence that the election result in Maricopa county was not what the majority of citizens wanted?

No gut feeling, I am sure they were tipped off or they wouldnt have fought so hard for it. One representative is already claiming they found what they wanted(several pages back).

At least they answered some of the questions, we will see how things go. Router explanation was weak.

My big issue with them, Liz Cheney, McCarthy, and the GA folks is they dont want to restore confidence in the election by doing an audit. It *shouldnt* be questioned, it should be sure, knock yourself out, we got nothing to hide...They had to fight tooth and nail in the courts for the Senate just to do the audit, that in of itself is ridiculous.

Just look at all the money/lawyers pouring in from the outside, something is up.

a reply to: 111DPKING111

Yeah, this trust us stuff is history. We are a nation, not a religion.

a reply to: alphabetaone

Your explanation notwithstanding, obviously the Arizona Senate chose to go beyond -- FAR beyond -- what is commonly accepted as an "audit." The Senate has chosen a few companies (not just CyberNinjas) to examine and test various aspects of the election process. The knowledge and expertise of CyberNinjas is not necessarily limited to what you describe, nor would the knowledge and expertise of the sub-contracted companies necessarily be limited.

I would likewise suggest that your "carpenter vs electrician" analogy doesn't apply, though the two overlap. A better analogy would be a general practitioner doctor vs a specialist doctor. Both have knowledge and expertise of the body and health, with one a little more knowledgeable and experienced in a specific aspect of healthcare. If I have a broken leg, I'm not going to refuse treatment from a cardiologist because he's not an orthopedist. And if I have a heart attack, I'm not going to refuse treatment from an general practitioner because he's not a cardiologist. I might seek further consultations after being examined by a general practitioner, but both are capable of initially treating a broken leg.

Unless and until the forensic audit is completed and a final report is issued, we have no basis for judgment. The proof is in the pudding, and the "pudding" is the final report.