Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: 111DPKING111

Yeah, this trust us stuff is history. We are a nation, not a religion.

AND we are citizens... not subjects!

a reply to: Boadicea

So which company, with the credentials and certifications (and dare I say clearance) for performing electronic forensics, is under contract?

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: 111DPKING111

After reading this Twitter post from the Maricopa county supervisors: twitter.com...

I can no longer recall WHY the forensic audit is being conducted in the first place.

Is it happening due to someone's "gut feeling"? Or due to some statistical or tangible evidence that the election result in Maricopa county was not what the majority of citizens wanted?

You're kidding, right? Oh come on, you know exactly why it's being carried out - true believers like you, who constantly wailed that the only way that your beloved Orange bloviator could have lost in November of last year was fraud, refused to believe that the vote could have been a fair one and funded this joke of an audit that no-one is taking seriously but them, egged on by The Donald as he sulks in Florida.
CyberNinjas have never conducted anything like this 'forensic audit' before. They don't know what they are doing. It's all a massive bad joke.

Once again.....You’re bloviating.
The projection is hilarious. If you want Trump to be a bloviator, call him that and move on.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a reply to: Boadicea

So which company, with the credentials and certifications (and dare I say clearance) for performing electronic forensics, is under contract?

Hmmmm... slick deflection there... but knowledge and expertise exists whether or not the dirty Feds have granted their dirty "credentials" and "certifications" or not. Especially when those "credentials" and "certifications" are solely granted to the same parties that previously "certify" the machines they audit. Quite the conflict of interest there, and cannot be trusted. Of course, the Feds themselves cannot be trusted.

My long standing default position on pretty much any issue is that if the Feds are involved, it's their fault.

However, as the sole arbiters of election laws, policies and procedures in the state -- in EVERY state -- the Senate has both determined these companies' have the knowledge and expertise to do what they are doing AND granted these companies the authority and clearance to perform the tasks they are performing, in accordance with their Constitutional duties and obligations, as affirmed by the Supreme Court of Arizona.

The Feds can go pound rocks and then shove them up their collective keister. This is a State matter for the State Senate.

a reply to: Guiltyguitarist

Once again.....You’re bloviating.
The projection is hilarious. If you want Trump to be a bloviator, call him that and move on.

It's telling that the opposition has to frame everything in terms of "Trump," isn't it?

They absolutely cannot let the people know the facts and make informed judgments on the actual merits of the objections and suspicions.

All they've got is "Orange Man bad..."

a reply to: Boadicea

You got that backwards. Several of us have given very strong arguments why this audit is a joke, not secure, bias, ect... and instead of addressing those issues you just say 'orange man bad'.

Quit ignoring the elephant in the room.

a reply to: Boadicea
How could someone judge an audit whose result has not been released?
Wait, has the result been released and I missed it?

Oh, right, these people know better than the senate of the state of Arizona, don't they?

originally posted by: Boadicea

Hmmmm... slick deflection there... but knowledge and expertise exists whether or not the dirty Feds have granted their dirty "credentials" and "certifications" or not.

It's not a deflection. What you're asking your fellow citizens to do is throw ANY monkeys at the problem, hope they come up with the outcome you desire, with authority by a governing body who ALSO does not understand the intricacies of aforementioned forensics, and hope that no one is the wiser for allowing unqualified parties to "report" on the most sacred of US rights.... the vote.

One could be forgiven for believing that you support perpetrating the exact same fraud you're decrying and the Raison D'Etre for this audit in the first place.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Boadicea

You got that backwards. Several of us have given very strong arguments why this audit is a joke, not secure, bias, ect... and instead of addressing those issues you just say 'orange man bad'.

Quit ignoring the elephant in the room.

You can go back and watch testimony, they reached out to the other side to be active watcher/participant in this audit. Dems wanted nothing to do with it b/c they are corrupt as hell.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Boadicea

You got that backwards. Several of us have given very strong arguments....

Strong? LOL!!! "Very" strong??? ROFLMAO!!!

...why this audit is a joke, not secure, bias, ect... and instead of addressing those issues you just say 'orange man bad'.

I have in fact addressed those critics and critiques, and found them all to be baseless.

All I'm hearing is a bunch of whining and name calling and "Trump! Trump! Trump!" It's only deemed a "joke" because the AZ audit is doing what no other audit has done before, and is therefore dismissed as "bizarre" and "crazy" and "insane" and so on and so forth. The "security" gripe is just whining because it's now under someone else's control. The "bias" is actually an informed and educated opinion, which will either be confirmed or debunked by the audit.

But this question of "bias" has a flip side... Are you also condemning the auditors in Antrim for their own "bias," albeit against the audits? Are you going to hold those auditors who have repeatedly denounced audits to the same standard?

Quit ignoring the elephant in the room.

I see the elephants... they make themselves quite obvious. For example, I saw five pathetic whining GOP elephants yesterday joined by two pathetic whining donkeys.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Boadicea

You got that backwards. Several of us have given very strong arguments why this audit is a joke, not secure, bias, ect... and instead of addressing those issues you just say 'orange man bad'.

Quit ignoring the elephant in the room.

I don't understand what is trying to be accomplished it cant change the results of the election. So it has no purpose at this point other than waste time???? And the thing appears to be silly like asking for the routers. You want the state to turn over its wifi routers when at best it would only show you a log of IP addresses that accessed it provided they turned it on which is unlikely because it could be considered a violation of state law capturing someone browser information.

As im watching the stupid demands being made it really makes me think they are just making things up. You can look at the voting machines themselves to see if they had internet access and you would need their IP addresses which they wouldn't have unless they were connected. So if you found out they were assigned an IP address you know they had an internet connection and wouldn't need the routers. Not to mention the server already has all this information even if the router log was not turned on.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Boadicea
How could someone judge an audit whose result has not been released?

They cannot. And we all know it. But they are desperate to make sure the result is never released.

Wait, has the result been released and I missed it?

Nope, no result has been released and you aren't missing anything.

Oh, right, these people know better than the senate of the state of Arizona, don't they?

I bet they do know better... The Senate is still trying to pinpoint and identify the fraud... others (the guilty) already know.

a reply to: dragonridr

I don't understand what is trying to be accomplished it cant change the results of the election.

Gee, transparency in government?
Transparency in elections?
You know, things citizens should not have to fight government to obtain.

You do understand government exists to serve the people, right?
You do understand the people own the ballots, machines, devices, servers, reports...ect?

a reply to: Boadicea

They are scared and envious. It's safe to ignore 99% of their "attacks" on this subject.

a reply to: dragonridr

I don't understand what is trying to be accomplished it cant change the results of the election.

You're half right. The results of this audit cannot change the results of this election. However, the results of this can and will inform the Senate's efforts to reform the election process, finding and identifying the weaknesses and loopholes that allow for cheating (of any kind), which can and will have a profound effect on future elections.

So it has no purpose at this point other than waste time????

Necessary and proper election reform to ensure the integrity of our elections is NEVER a waste of time.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Boadicea

You got that backwards. Several of us have given very strong arguments why this audit is a joke, not secure, bias, ect... and instead of addressing those issues you just say 'orange man bad'.

Quit ignoring the elephant in the room.

I don't understand what is trying to be accomplished it cant change the results of the election.

The POINT is to get it out there that Biden won Arizona due to Democrats and corrupt Republicans CHEATING.

1) That will open the door to MI-WI-PA-GA proving the same.

2) That will spell the doom of Democrats in 2022 and 2024.

a reply to: dragonridr

I don't understand what is trying to be accomplished it cant change the results of the election. So it has no purpose at this point other than waste time????

Im old enough to remember coke, delta, and then ton of other companies signing a letter against voter ids and election integrity.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: dragonridr

I don't understand what is trying to be accomplished it cant change the results of the election.

Gee, transparency in government?
Transparency in elections?
You know, things citizens should not have to fight government to obtain.

You do understand government exists to serve the people, right?
You do understand the people own the ballots, machines, devices, servers, reports...ect?

Let's be honest here has nothing to do with it. The state had already conducted multiple audits of ballots and machines, and several lawsuits also did discovery no instances of fraud were found. How many times do you think the state needs to check these things?

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Boadicea

You got that backwards. Several of us have given very strong arguments why this audit is a joke, not secure, bias, ect... and instead of addressing those issues you just say 'orange man bad'.

Quit ignoring the elephant in the room.

How many audits are needed before it becomes a Witch Hunt?

“They” want to branch out now to other counties.

Don’t find anything in Maricopa? Just keep looking through the entire state until something is found.

a reply to: dragonridr

This entire premise of this is backwards. They are basing this 'audit' on assumptions that have no basis.

Their intent is to find fraud, not conduct an accurate audit. The problem with a shady company who wants to find fraud, when they do not find fraud, they very well may fabricate it. Most reasonable folks know this is not being conducted securely and certainly not without bias(the vast majority of the 'counters' are Trump supporters who believe he won) so reasonable folks should be skeptical of what is fabricated or found by these 'Cyber Ninjas'.

The issue of demanding routers is just another distraction so if no evidence of fraud is found they can still say we do not know for sure because we did not have the router logs. Let's be honest, those who think there was widespread fraud and Trump won are not exactly the most intelligent nor tech savvy so this claim will resonate well with them.

As I said before, I just hope the Great Lie from Trump ends up splitting the Republican party and a viable 3rd party emerges.