Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

a reply to: Boadicea

Thanks. That involved processing.

What’s legal. Not legal. Unintentional mistake, etc.

originally posted by: Annee
Crap show from what side?

I'm talking about the crap-show we witness every day coming from the Harris Administration and the Dems (and the RINOs) in Congress), as compared to the crap-show that would happen if the audit in Arizona reveals massive, results changing fraud and starts a domino reaction in other States that reveal the same level of fraud, and the State Legislatures grow a pair, and void for fraud the so-called winners, and seat the rightful winners - yes, including voiding and assigning new Presidential Electors.

That crap-show.

LEGAL PROCESS -- reason DOJ is concerned,

The U.S. Department of Justice on Wednesday expressed concerns that a controversial audit and recount of the November election in Arizona's Maricopa County may be out of compliance with federal laws.

Pamela Karlan, the principal deputy assistant attorney general with the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, wrote in a letter that federal officials see two issues with the election review ordered by the Republican-led state Senate.

One issue is that ballots, voting systems and other election materials are no longer in the custody of election officials — a possible violation of federal law, which requires state and local election workers to store and safeguard federal voting records.

www.npr.org...

originally posted by: Annee
LEGAL PROCESS -- reason DOJ is concerned,

The U.S. Department of Justice on Wednesday expressed concerns that a controversial audit and recount of the November election in Arizona's Maricopa County may be out of compliance with federal laws...

www.npr.org...

Thank you for posting. From your link:

Karlan asked Fann to provide details on what steps the Arizona Senate will take to ensure those federal laws aren't violated.

So the Senate needs to respond... and I would assume not just for conditions and circumstances now, but going forward as well. So some of the information the DOJ wants might be in the paperwork recently released by Cyber Ninjas, but not everything.

a reply to: Annee

Biden's DOJ is now suddenly concerned about adherence to election laws.

Trump's DOJ should have been as proactive...they phucked up royally.

originally posted by: Annee
LEGAL PROCESS -- reason DOJ is concerned,

The U.S. Department of Justice on Wednesday expressed concerns that a controversial audit and recount of the November election in Arizona's Maricopa County may be out of compliance with federal laws.

Pamela Karlan, the principal deputy assistant attorney general with the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, wrote in a letter that federal officials see two issues with the election review ordered by the Republican-led state Senate.

One issue is that ballots, voting systems and other election materials are no longer in the custody of election officials — a possible violation of federal law, which requires state and local election workers to store and safeguard federal voting records.

www.npr.org...

Real strange and very suspicious that wasn't a factor until now all-of-a-sudden !!!!

Red Herring

a reply to: Boadicea

Fact or Not?

IF . . . . . ballots, voting systems and other election materials are no longer in the custody of election officials — it is a possible violation of federal law, which requires state and local election workers to store and safeguard federal voting records.

a reply to: Annee

Fact... because it is possible... but -- obviously -- arguable.

First, the Feds would have to establish Constitutional supremacy over each State's legislative bodies to set policy and procedure for elections... and presumably all election materials, including ballots and machines, and their storage thereof.

Second, the Feds would have to establish that the contract established with Cyber Ninjas by the Senate would not equal the State's custody. For that matter, as I understand it, the State Police are responsible for security at the State Fairgrounds, which includes the Coliseum, so they may fulfill that requirement.

Third, there would also be the matter of what is sufficient security and safeguarding. Compared to who? What? When?

Fourth, are there any legal/court precedents for such a challenge by the Feds?

Fifth, even if there are legitimate concerns about security, those concerns should be addressed. It should not end the audit.

a reply to: Boadicea

Just my first find.

Most (not all) issues concerning the administration and conduct of elections are governed and regulated by state law and are best addressed by state and local election officials. Federal law enforcement and prosecutorial authorities have jurisdiction to investigate and, when appropriate, prosecute election fraud in the following circumstances:

1. In elections where a federal candidate’s name is on the ballot.

2. In any election (federal or nonfederal), when the fraud involves the necessary participation of an election official acting “under color of law.”

www.justice.gov...

a reply to: Annee
The feds have no business in state laws or state business.
Tho the scotus would be happy to put the feds back in their place in a clear states rights issue once again.

Interesting again who is ascared of the sunshine.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Annee
The feds have no business in state laws or state business.
Tho the scotus would be happy to put the feds back in their place in a clear states rights issue once again.

Interesting again who is ascared of the sunshine.

Does it not say they do if it’s a Federal election?

Can’t get more Federal than president.

There’s no feelz here.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Annee
The feds have no business in state laws or state business.
Tho the scotus would be happy to put the feds back in their place in a clear states rights issue once again.

Interesting again who is ascared of the sunshine.

It will be interesting to see if the Biden DOJ suddenly become "nimble" and is able to throw monkey wrenches into forensic audit before its completion. I'm sure the Dept of Justice would also like to simultaneously thwart any similar audit from occurring in PA-GA-MI-WI as well.

The regular messages from former President Trump on this audit are no doubt increasing the desire of the DOJ to intervene.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Annee
The feds have no business in state laws or state business.
Tho the scotus would be happy to put the feds back in their place in a clear states rights issue once again.

Interesting again who is ascared of the sunshine.

Does it not say they do if it’s a Federal election?

Can’t get more Federal than president.

There’s no feelz here.

Its the biden administration whose "feelz" appear in jeopardy as the state senate has approved the event.
Or does the doj outrank the state of Arizona senate in state of Arizona matters?
Why are you so scared of sunshine?

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Annee

Fact... because it is possible... but -- obviously -- arguable.

First, the Feds would have to establish Constitutional supremacy over each State's legislative bodies to set policy and procedure for elections..

And you might want to stop and consider this point.

We elected a President -- in charge of the Federal government. That's what the Federal government role is here and since the election is for a Federal office (not state) the Feds do have the constitutional supremacy here. States have to set things up within Federal guidelines (in other words, the governor of the state can't simply appoint people.)

Although what they're actually doing is selecting electoral college members (if you remember how this whole election thing goes.)

I would further suggest that the people who set up and run the elections and the organization that's been doing this for the past 200+ years (or however long the state has existed) probably know more about the process than the people here on ATS and particularly more than those who haven't worked elections. I'd further maintain that arguments put forth by Youtubers (who haven't actually bothered to vote until Trump ran for office) are not a particularly good metric on how legal something is.

I'm not sure anything will ever get me to vote again.

But I'd sure like to see the entire Dominion scandal exposed.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Annee
The feds have no business in state laws or state business.
Tho the scotus would be happy to put the feds back in their place in a clear states rights issue once again.

Interesting again who is ascared of the sunshine.

It will be interesting to see if the Biden DOJ suddenly become "nimble" and is able to throw monkey wrenches into forensic audit before its completion. I'm sure the Dept of Justice would also like to simultaneously thwart any similar audit from occurring in PA-GA-MI-WI as well.

The regular messages from former President Trump on this audit are no doubt increasing the desire of the DOJ to intervene.

If they change the vote, I think you'll see an uprising in the state, particularly in the cities... massive protests and more. Trump was unpopular (yes, he can get the caravan of folks from other states driving in to his rallies) and never managed to get more than a 48% approval rating. People didn't want him and turned out to vote for Biden to keep Trump from another term.

I don't know how it will play out but this is interesting.

Wow!
State senate approved event.
Exactly what the 10th ammendment was written for.
No fed jurisdiction at all.

Holy crap!!!!
Why do people hate sunshine so much?

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Annee
The feds have no business in state laws or state business.
Tho the scotus would be happy to put the feds back in their place in a clear states rights issue once again.

Interesting again who is ascared of the sunshine.

It will be interesting to see if the Biden DOJ suddenly become "nimble" and is able to throw monkey wrenches into forensic audit before its completion. I'm sure the Dept of Justice would also like to simultaneously thwart any similar audit from occurring in PA-GA-MI-WI as well.

The regular messages from former President Trump on this audit are no doubt increasing the desire of the DOJ to intervene.

I wonder why the doj didn't "investigate " the actions of the executive branch in Pa?
You know, as the legislative branch is the only one allowed to change state law?

Perhaps we will get some sunshine there as well?

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Annee
The feds have no business in state laws or state business.
Tho the scotus would be happy to put the feds back in their place in a clear states rights issue once again.

Interesting again who is ascared of the sunshine.

It will be interesting to see if the Biden DOJ suddenly become "nimble" and is able to throw monkey wrenches into forensic audit before its completion. I'm sure the Dept of Justice would also like to simultaneously thwart any similar audit from occurring in PA-GA-MI-WI as well.

The regular messages from former President Trump on this audit are no doubt increasing the desire of the DOJ to intervene.

I wonder why the doj didn't "investigate " the actions of the executive branch in Pa?
You know, as the legislative branch is the only one allowed to change state law?

Perhaps we will get some sunshine there as well?

PA and GA legislators have a few bribed or corrupt-afraid Republicans, even though Republicans are the majority. I recall how 1 or 2 of them backed off from supporting a forensic audit, at the last minute. A similar thing happened in Wisconsin.

That's one thing about Democrats. For better or worse, 99% of them work together. Those who are new, are beat into shape by senior leaders. AOC-OMAR-RASHIDA got that treatment from Pelosi, Nadler, and others. The "squad" is much quieter now.

a reply to: Byrd
President Trump's approval rating was higher than Obama's. In fact, Trump replaced Obama as the most admired man in America.

Trump surpasses Obama: thehill.com...

Nothing was favoring a Joe Biden victory over Donald Trump. No turnout of Biden fans. No alignment of the stars. No statistical predictions. In fact, the poll/model with the greatest history of accuracy Predicted President Trump would EASILY win re-election. The "Primary Model": primarymodel.com...

FACT: JOE BIDEN DID NOT LEGITIMATELY WIN IN NOV 2020.

And it shall be proven, because the investigators are not the type who cave easily, take bribes, or are involved in corrupt practices. In other words, the Grassleys and Grahams and Cruz's of the world, are not running the effort to prove DJT won. Real leaders, filled with determination, who cannot be intimidated, are in charge of getting to THIS TRUTH.