Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

There's also a new "company" been launched a few months back. Seems like this is a growing sideline industry.

Americans for Safe Aerospace

I am not aware of how many air accidents were caused by UFOs and UAP in recent times.

But there's a long list of familiar characters on the board....

Ryan Graves - Executive Director

Aircrew Leadership Council

Alex Dietrich - Ex F/A-18 pilot, U.S. Navy

David Fravor - Ex F/A-18 pilot, U.S. Navy

Michael Greene - Ex F/A-18 weapons system officer, U.S. Marines [partner of Dietrich]

Advisory Board

Bryan Bender - VP Communications Strategy, SMI ,Ex Defense Editor, Politico

Avi Loeb - Professor @ Harvard, Astronomy, Head of The Galileo Project

Susan McCue - Founding President & CEO, The ONE Campaign, Ex Chief of Staff, Harry Reid

Christopher Mellon - Ex Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Ex Minority Staff Director of the Senate Intelligence Committee

Garry Nolan - Professor @ Stanford, Pathology Founder, Sol Foundation


EDIT : There were 4206 Aviation Accident reports in 2021 according to a search of the US National Transportation Board Safety Website

The UAPTF Report 2021 confirms that a mere 11 were caused by UAP.

The UAPTF has 11 reports of documented instances in which pilots reported near misses with a UAP

Or 0.002% of all aviation accident reports and almost statistically insignificant. I'd say that Americans for Safe Aerospace looks grossly overstaffed and there is another agenda at play with this company.

a reply to: mirageman

Garry Nolan seems such a busy man, he really is knee deep in all of this. Just an observation re Nolan .

originally posted by: mirageman
…..there is another agenda at play with this company.

Ruh Roh!

Does that mean….

….and possibly a new exposé thread?

😉

👽

a reply to: mirageman

Good findings...So they’re supposedly looking to keep pilots safe from UAPs?

And the usual suspects are on this board...
Nolan goes way back; he is prominent in Valle’s FS5.

So, in opening up this UFO fear meme, I wonder what happens when they admit nothing can be done...they can’t figure this thing out.

And if they could, do we need another species to make war on? The human, N Korea, Russia, and China, with thousands of nukes, is not enough?
What is the point?

Maybe some bright boy in this new era of the UFO US gov. disinformation thought up: “Hey, let's play the fear meme on em this time... That I’ll get 'em.”

No, that won’t get em...ass hole...
I hope

link
From mms link

This report provides an overview for policymakers of the challenges associated with characterizing the potential threat posed by UAP while also providing a means to develop relevant processes, policies, technologies, and training for the U.S. military and other U.S. Government (USG) personnel if and when they encounter UAP, so as to enhance the Intelligence Community’s (IC) ability to understand the threat. The Director, UAPTF, is the accountable official for ensuring the timely collection and consolidation of data on UAP. The dataset described in this report is currently limited primarily to U.S. Government reporting of incidents occurring from November 2004 to March 2021. Data continues to be collected and analyzed.

Reading this, I wonder why there is no “ potential” before threat.
Didn’t they way back say UFOs weren’t any threat?

Now, I’m not a Steve Greer fan, but he did say this was all about making a UFO threat meme widespread.
So, he called this one right.

So, in this era of Congressional exposure so far, they seem to ignore the past UFO information from the gov.
Now, is that because they want to avoid it because it conflicts with what they now want to peddle?
Or do they want to avoid the shameful past this gov. did regarding UFOS?

This report provides an overview for policymakers of the challenges associated with
characterizing the potential threat posed by UAP while also providing a means to develop

All right---they do say " potential" threat in this sentence...

give them a cookie

originally posted by: introufo

So, in this era of Congressional exposure so far, they seem to ignore the past UFO information from the gov.

Now, is that because they want to avoid it because it conflicts with what they now want to peddle?

Or do they want to avoid the shameful past this gov. did regarding UFOS?

Two extremely good questions there mate.. to which I'd love to know the answers.

Regarding their own internal communications on the subject there are some very interesting documents in this book if you've not seen it before - also some nice reports here on UFOs and 'aviation safety'.

George Knapp's Statement to Congress has leaked out from his sofa.

For those wanting a thumbnail overview, it details his integration as the PR man for the Vegas UFO Mob [Bigelow & Co.] and adds a lot of mainly superficial details.

He also omits any mention of his associations with and promotion of Bob Lazar.

As a journalist, my interest in UFO secrecy began in 1987. In the years since then, I have written hundreds of UFO-related news stories and series....

In 1989, I started hearing seemingly-outlandish tidbits regarding crashed saucers, strange materials, and reverse engineering programs being carried out in secrecy in the Nevada desert by intelligence operatives and defence contractors. The first person I told about this outside our newsroom - was U.S. Senator Harry Reid...he helped me obtain information that I might otherwise be unable to access on my own. That private conversation with Reid proved to be pivotal... and is directly related to the current explosion of public Interest In the UFO/UAP controversy, including the inquiries now underway in both houses of Congress.

The other person I met in 1989 related to the UFO mystery was a billionaire businessman named Robert Bigelow, who... began funding private UFO investigations as well the work of UFO organizations UFO.

... In 1996, Bigelow created his own research organization, the National Institute for Discovery Science... After NIDS began its own investigations and projects, | informed Senator Reid about the organization and arranged an introduction...The connection that was made between Reid and Bigelow proved to be fortuitous in many ways, and is directly related to the inquiry you have launched 27 years later.

One of the topics that was of interest to Reid, Bigelow, and NIDS was Russia's ongoing interest

In UFOs. In 1993, there was a brief window of opportunity in the former USSR. ... It took 8 months to arrange an itinerary and to obtain a formal invitation to visit Moscow. In the spring of that year... we learned, Russian leaders commissioned an unprecedented UFO investigation....

The study lasted a full ten years..in three incidents, the Russian warplanes were dibbled and crashed. Two of the pilots were killed. After those incidents, the MOD issued a nationwide order that UFOs should be left alone...

Upon my return from Moscow, I shared much of this information with NIDS, with Senator Reid, and with a senior staff members for the Senate Intelligence Committees. The Russian MOD had confirmed to me that they were studying UFO cases in the hope that they might understand and eventually duplicate the technology that had allowed the UFO pilots to so thoroughly dominate Russian airspace and weapons systems.

The information made a lasting impression on Senator Reid and others and became a key factor in a secretive program that was launched a few years later...an unknown, unacknowledged UFO study dubbed AATIP....

That news piece led to a new wave of media interest in UFOs, prompted private inquiries to Sen. Reid from his former colleagues in Congress, and was largely responsible for the creation by Congress of the UAP Task Force, which later morphed into AARO, the current UFO program approved by Congress.


The NY Times report was accurate on many levels. AATIP as real. Lue Elizondo was the man in charge of it. And it was an investigation of UFO encounters involving US military personnel. But some parts of the story were dead wrong. The $22 million secured by Reid did not fund AATIP. .... The original program was dubbed AAWSAP the Advanced Weapons System Application program. The man who initiated and managed the program for DIA was.. Dr. James Lacatski. The contract for AAWSAP was awarded to a subsidiary of Bigelow Aerospace, owned by Robert Bigelow. And the focus of the study was much broader than the military-only encounters investigated by AATIP. Years after the Times story, the public and members of Congress still have not learned much about AAWSAP. It was likely the largest UFO study ever conducted with the use of government funds...At one point, it employed 50 full time investigators, far more than Project Blue Book or the UAP Task Force, or AARO,

The team compiled what might be the largest and most sophisticated UFO data warehouse aver created, with more than 200,000 cases catalogued. ...an astonishing effort that also produced more than 100 highly detailed research papers, many of them more than 100 pages long. The very first case investigated by AAWSAP was the Tic Tac incident from 2004. An initial report was compiled by DIA personnel, then shared with AAWSAP. A much larger 140-page report, packed with detailed analysis of the Tic Tac and its capabilities, was written by AAWSAP scientists and engineers.

Neither Congress nor the public has ever seen the Tic Tac report or any of the other 100-plus research papers. One of the things that led to the demise of AAWSAP was the pursuit of certain exotic materials....

AAWSAP managers believe these materials were collected from sites where unknown aircraft had crashed. When Dr. Lacatski bagan pressing the issue, seeking access to the exotic materials, he was met with harsh rebukes. ... powerful interests began to apply pressure to end AAWSAP. It lasted a mere 27 months before the plug was pulled, instead of a five-year operation as planned...

AAWSAP investigated a wider range of phenomena than mystery craft seen in the sky. Some of the encounters reported by intelligence operatives were downright weird, AAWSAP personnel suspected that the sighting of weird creatures and bizarre phenomena in the proximity of UFO activity might be some sort of unintentional side effect of a technology that is seemingly beyond anything we currently possess....

Had AAWSAP: been allowed to continue, our country might have some answers by now. It is my honour to bring this information forward to Congress and to clarify some of the misinformation that has been widely circulated. After AAWSAP ended, AATIP was created from its ashes. Lue Elizondo was able to keep the investigation going for a few years, until his frustration with a lack of interest on the part of DOD higher ups became too much to bear.

His exposure of the existence of AATIP was a major factor in the eventual creation of the UAP Task Force and later, of AARO. The world still has very limited understanding of the important work done for DIA in AAWSAP. The public has seen very little of the excellent work done by the Bigelow team. Hopefully Congress can start asking questions about these and other
investigations undertaken into these perplexing issues. We have a right to know.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: mirageman
…..there is another agenda at play with this company.

Ruh Roh!

Does that mean….

….and possibly a new exposé thread?

😉

👽

At the first glance it looks to me like they intend to use their access to politicians and DoD staff to influence them towards awarding contracts to companies like ASA.

originally posted by: Celltype
Hi folks....yes its me Celltypspecific... I remember when you all laughed 3 years ago.

You did not TRUST BIG LUE....

I would have trusted him enough to let him watch my dog for me when I went on vacation. It's only when his lips start moving that I stop trusting him.

I guess BIG LUE and I were right after all

That you both have more announcements about forthcoming announcements that something is going to happen someday? Enough with the announcements about announcements, someone show us the "non-human biologic" or something more interesting than what looks like industrial slag that DeLonge's TTSA paid $35,000 for. Whatever happened to the CRADA with the US Army you made such a big whoop about anyway, did the army reverse engineer some cool stuff from the fragment of the alien spaceship...or, was it industrial slag?

Tom DeLonge's UFO Research Company Paid $35,000 for 'Exotic' Metals That Might Actually Just Be Slag

Too bad Grusch has nothing to show us. Uses the same tired line as Elizondo about what he can't talk about because it's classified, but he wants us to think he's a whistleblower. Ed Snowden was a whistleblower, and actually had some stuff to show us, and by the way he looked for stuff about aliens and couldn't find anything, found plenty of other stuff though.

originally posted by: mirageman

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: mirageman
…..there is another agenda at play with this company.

Ruh Roh!

Does that mean….

….and possibly a new exposé thread?

😉

👽

At the first glance it looks to me like they intend to use their access to politicians and DoD staff to influence them towards awarding contracts to companies like ASA.

That makes sense………all three witnesses were harping on getting a central depository for UAP’s reports and data….and radar data etc.

Well isn’t that what the AARO was setup for? To be that very centralized depository???

No wonder Kirkpatrick is pissed off…….they went around him…..instead of through him!

ASA is the new and revamped..TTS….

……….

Keep sleuthing MM…🧐

👽

a reply to: mirageman

0.002% of millions of gullible dollars = a lot of donations

For reference...

All the relevant documents from the recent UFO hearings, gatecrashed by Jeremy Weaponized Flares Bokeh Balloons Cowbell, are now on record here as PDF files:


Hearing: “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency”

Corbell's self congratulory, narcisisstic statement is here : THE UAP PUZZLE Anthropocentrism & Avoiding Strategic Surprise by Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell, American Idiot



Including such egotistical gems as

...After spending decades studying the UAP phenomenon I have found myself in a privileged position of being trusted. How have I achieved this? By being trustworthy in my work.

I heard his curiosity set off the metal detectors before he went into the hearings.

Knapp's statement can be read here : STATEMENT TO CONGRESS by George Knapp

Neither of which reference Bob Lazar at all. Yet both have milked that story.

And a piece by The Hill...

Either the U.S. government has mounted an extraordinary, decades-long coverup of UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering activities, or elements of the defense and intelligence establishment are engaging in a staggeringly brazen psychological disinformation campaign....

Importantly, a third explanation for recent events — that dozens of high-level, highly-cleared officials have come to believe enduring UFO myths, rumors and speculation as fact — appears increasingly unlikely.

Full Story

Other options are possible. But the question is whether there is enough evidence to change the status quo.

If there's been a UFO cover-up, or this is all a psy-op, or the US establishment has been infiltrated, as it was by Operation Snow White then there are forces that will not want this to ever get out for the damage it could cause.

a reply to: mirageman

Neither of which reference Bob Lazar at all. Yet both have milked that story.

Indeed yes.

originally posted by: mirageman

I heard his curiosity set off the metal detectors before he went into the hearings.

Good info and after that last 'flare' UFO vid fiasco I cannot believe he has the temerity to say that.

Do remember Jeremy first coming on the scene being really obnoxious to Stanton Friedman (on stage) - can't find the vid but let's just say everyone thought he was a complete dick.

Does anyone know that video?

a reply to: karl 12


This one ?

youtu.be...



Corbell is so hilarious a funny chap.

a reply to: karl 12

Do remember Jeremy first coming on the scene being really obnoxious to Stanton Friedman (on stage) - can't find the vid but let's just say everyone thought he was a complete dick. Does anyone know that video?

Stan wasn't always right, but at least he was a gentleman. Even his exchanges with Phil Klass remained fairly cordial and respectful.

He deserved some respect here. But Jeremy totally misses and dismisses Statnon's points, shows his lack of class and an inability to articulate himself.Preferring to measure his superiority by audience participation.

a reply to: mirageman

Stan wasn't always right,

No Stanton was not!

However, been respectful does not seem part of Corbells ways, at least looking at this video.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Corbell is so hilarious a funny chap.

A real joker. If only he'd have stolen and put on Stan's specs. Then he could have looked like he was wearing one of those hilarious false beard, 'tache and glasses disguises. Followed by a movie about himself on his phone, in his kitchen and waving his arms around like a muppet.

a reply to: mirageman

Am having visions of this scenario. Cartoon style.