Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

originally posted by: Baablacksheep

Hi Karl. I posted your post to this thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Nice one mate, interesting that the counter reaction to it was an overhyped claim about the 'leaking' of Grusch's medical records.. when in reality it was just an FOIA request for a Sheriff report.

Don't know, not involved much so don't know what to think - definitely get the feeling we're getting the emotional run around - exactly the same as we did with Elizondo.

Posted this on another thread but thought it was a good refresher about the TTSA spooks - also some curious MKUltra connections.

See 11:00

a reply to: karl 12

when in reality it was just an FOIA request for a Sheriff report.

Yes, so it appears. I feel that we are been saturated by Grusch and others in this drama. One has to rise above the noise though.

Thanks re the video Karl .

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: karl 12

I don't think that's been posted in this thread about Grusch working with the old TTSA crew.

Although it doesn't surprise me. There is a relatively small group seemingly given a lot of influence.

Which all smells like an intel operation. This is nothing new. It's just adapted for a 21st century audience with the MIC in even firmer control of the narrative than they ever were in the past.

Is that a legit pic or one of your Photoshop specials?

If so, then it's very revealing.

a reply to: introufo

Is that a legit pic or one of your Photoshop specials?

Legit, as far as I know. From the documentary posted earlier : See here in this frame

a reply to: mirageman

Though am well aware of all this, that documentry is pretty well put together MM. Here is also something by Pope waffling re Grusch . Saint Nick. You could go see Nicky MM, he is in Manchester this month with the other bandit's.


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Heh…heh 🤭

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originally posted by: karl 12
Am I late to the party on this one?

David Grusch Works for Garry Nolan and Chris Mellon, New Document Shows

I knew there would be more connections. Great find, karl---that's durn significant.

While there's an outside chance there could be goodwill behind this, there's some pesky and troubled histories involved here as you well know. Some of the folk, I do believe, are well intentioned but quite possibly being taken for the famous ufology IC joyride.

Btw: I'm pretty close to the HQ mentioned and there's quite a bit more to this story and it's history right there in Huntsville. We could visit around a little if you were up for a stateside visit with your own private guest quarters gratis in one of the most beautiful parts of the U.S.

Wanna come dig around a little along with some world-class sightseeing? Shaking your hand and buying you a brew is on my ATS bucket list after all, mate.

originally posted by: mirageman
This relatively new and cheap as chips documentary gives an overview of the games played.

It's just over an hour long and although it wrongly claims Paul Bennewitz committed suicide [he didn't] it covers a lot of the deception since the 1970s. It goes right up to the present day and current cast of characters we have discussed in this thread and elsewhere on ATS.

Dang dudes I'm playing catch up. We knew his connections to the crew was there but it's great the documentation y'all are turning up.

I checked on the Eric Weinstein guy, and it looks like they're Robert Emeneggeran him. Sam Harris too.
If they can get those too well-known non-believers and well-respected scientists and skeptics, that would be huge catches for this scheme.

Harris's info starts at 5:30 and Weinstein's at about 11:20

a reply to: mirageman

Hey MM!

If I didn’t know any better and closed my eyes ….and just listen to the audio……it literally sounds and smells ….like you!

Did you produce and are the voice on the vid narrating?

Listening to that vid ….is like reading your posts.

😂🤣😂🤣

In any event 👍🏼….the vid was ‘intelformative’

And the IC Play….continues.

Can’t wait for the next Act

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Maybe I'm wrong but it seems that disclosure is a growth path ...

2016 Elizondo (and Delonge) introduces the topic
2017 Fravor talks about his single testimony of a UFO
2019 Graves talks about multiple UFO testimonies
2020 Eshed talks about alien/government deals
2022 Ramirez Confirms Alien/Government deals and talks about UFO/aliens recovered (Roswell)
2023 Grusch brings the most striking statements to Congress
And now???
Why didn't Grusch or Ramirez emerge before Graves or Fravor??
This list has perfect ascending order ...

I think Grusch's statements would not have had the same effect in 2017
In short, I have the feeling that there are perfect TV times
But surely I'm wrong ...

What happened to Delonge/Levenda and Elizondo's books??
No longer needed??

originally posted by: gippo888

What happened to Delonge/Levenda and Elizondo's books??
No longer needed??

I wondered too and I think the heat got turned on a bit and holes started to appear in covers (much of that germinated here) so some new players were called up. Some were in the lineup anyways probably but their debut accelerated. I'm sure there are other reasons too. That's some of my current thinking on that aspect anyways.

originally posted by: mirageman
This relatively new and cheap as chips documentary gives an overview of the games played.

It's just over an hour long and although it wrongly claims Paul Bennewitz committed suicide [he didn't] it covers a lot of the deception since the 1970s. It goes right up to the present day and current cast of characters we have discussed in this thread and elsewhere on ATS.

I'm halfway through and it's pretty decent. A rare pleasure even. Who is this cat? Excellent material collection and research. I'm sure he's familiar with the discussion hereabouts.

You mentioned the minor mistake in the Bennewitz info and I noticed the filmmaker failed to mention Puthoff & Green in the Serpo scam and asserted Doty as the mastermind.

Having waded through the Team of 5 emails and other muck and having listened to what's accrued to hours of Doty material I feel confident that Doty's average intellect alone suggests who the stooge was as opposed to the handlers who were obviously crafting the operation.

I'm heading back to finish the vid and see if he brings it all home.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

ey MM! If I didn’t know any better and closed my eyes ….and just listen to the audio……it literally sounds and smells ….like you! Did you produce and are the voice on the vid narrating?

No not my work. I don't produce videos and there are a few mistakes in the narration that I noted. The narration definitely doesn't sound like me either!

It's possible the creator has seen this thread and its previous incarnations and/or used some of the same source materials.

The Truth is Out There somewhere.

a reply to: The GUT

I wondered too and I think the heat got turned on a bit and holes started to appear in covers (much of that germinated here) so some new players were called up. Some were in the lineup anyways probably but their debut accelerated. I'm sure there are other reasons too. That's some of my current thinking on that aspect anyways.

If anyone wants to look back through the opening post in this trilogy of threads with 5 and a half years of hindsight, I'd say much of it still holds up today.

Alas, ATS is no longer the draw that it once was as the Spacebook, Instograph, Twitsphere (or is it Xitter now?) and its brevity is preferred by the modern masses.

Meanwhile, some of the old players from long ago are still around, but they are getting up there in age and due to retire if not expire altogether. So the injection of fresh faces was inevitable to counter our intelligence. Especially after the old guard screwed up in that SERPO fiasco when faced with a new frontier at the cusp of a digital revolution.

Bigelow has already sold his ranch and closed down his space based front company. Richard Doty has been welcomed into the heavily tattooed arms of the new face of UFOtainment. The rest of the old crew are still around, but are slowly being phased out by the new ones. Maybe because the old playbook is no longer fit for purpose?

a reply to: mirageman

Yes but.... There still might be some good to come out of all this. Let's see how it spins out. We have Mr Grusch with the UFO crowd and hero worship going on. One never knows what might occur?
Time may tell?

Oh and look at this
The ex jail bird.

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a reply to: The GUT

That invite is very much appreciated my friend - not planning on being stateside again for a while but you never know and would love to crack open a few cold ones with you and many other folks here on ATS.




• In no way think he gets it right all the time but Liszt is making a some pertinent points here about the thread discussion (and owners of NewsNation).

Also some interesting comments by Webb at the beginning of this vid about publications like 'The Intercept' being a 'honeypot' for genuine whistleblowers.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
To me it’s no big deal how we get to possibly full disclosure whether by nefarious means i.e. the Vegas mob, or not…....just as long as we get there…..and as usual…time will tell.

Have you considered the possibility that disclosure is in the Aviary video you recently watched? The one you commented on here? You say "time will tell" but this has been going on for what? 7 decades already? I'm not sure what you think time will tell except history repeating itself again and again.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
In any event 👍🏼….the vid was ‘intelformative’

And the IC Play….continues.

Can’t wait for the next Act

🍻🍿🍿

👽

originally posted by: mirageman

No not my work. I don't produce videos and there are a few mistakes in the narration that I noted. The narration definitely doesn't sound like me either!

It's possible the creator has seen this thread and its previous incarnations and/or used some of the same source materials.

The Truth is Out There somewhere.

The creator started out well and it was a worthy effort considering there's not much work out there that tackles the inherent historicity of the known players. It was also a convincing expose on how the same basic fishing technique is used over & over again.

He seemed to me, however, to falter in the second half and had some facts that he couldn't tie to an overall thesis. Stopping at Mellon & Puthoff makes it sound as if the vid creator thinks they're the top of the food chain.

He picked an interesting subject for a first vid though. I hope the focus remains.

Switching gears a little, does anyone here know if Coulthart's network affiliation is in any way affiliated with Knapp's?

originally posted by: karl 12

• In no way think he gets it right all the time but Liszt is making a some pertinent points here about the thread discussion (and owners of NewsNation).

Also some interesting comments by Webb at the beginning of this vid about publications like 'The Intercept' being a 'honeypot' for genuine whistleblowers.

I'll dig into this today, thanks. Not real familiar with the DJ but I'm a few minutes in and it has my attention. I'm more familiar with Whitney Webb and so far she's doing some kick-ass journalism.