Atlanta Police Chief resigns after Black Man shot

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Edumakated

How does the typical black person feel about black cops? Is there any less fear there?

TheRedneck

They view black cops as sellouts in many cases.

a reply to: Xtrozero

He successfully fought two officers off and took the taser from one of them and started to run, he then turned twice and fired the taser back at the officers and on the second attempt one officer shot back and killed him.

I was under the impression that those tasers only have one shot and then you have to change the cartridge which is kept separately. If it can repeatedly shoot additional taser lines my opinion of the shooting changes because it would be an active threat. If it was a single shot then it would have been an unloaded taser when he was fired upon.

Looking up models there is the x-1 to x-3. The difference between 1 or 3 shots. The reports I have read have not said what model the officer had.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

Looking up models there is the x-1 to x-3. The difference between 1 or 3 shots. The reports I have read have not said what model the officer had.

It flashed twice so who knows...I would assume a cop would have a Fll Monty.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Atlanta PD carries the Taser 7 or the x2. Both are two shot weapons.

Atlanta police on Monday released the disciplinary histories for both officers involved in the shooting death of Rayshard Brooks, revealing that one of them had previously been reprimanded for use of force involving a firearm.


Garrett Rolfe, the 27-year-old officer who was fired after shooting and killing Brooks on Friday night in a Wendy’s parking lot, received a written reprimand in 2017 due to the complaint. In his seven-year stint with the department, it was his only use-of-force complaint before Friday’s shooting.

Atlanta Journal-Constitution

a reply to: Gryphon66

I think it is clear to most sensible people that this was not justified and excessive.

People that dont agree are playing the semantic game and using their usual catch phrases.

In Georgia the taser is non lethal
He was running away

He was afraid for his life by a guy that was moving away from him?

Give me a break

a reply to: Granby

In Georgia the taser is non lethal

You keep repeating this yet not sourcing it. Repetition doesn’t make it true or accurate.

Be as casually dismissive about it as you like, but that also doesn’t make it true or accurate. Semantics matter in the law. Semantics matter in policy. I think it is clear to most people with a modicum of understanding of policy and law that this was entirely justified and not excessive. Should he have shot is a different question than was he justified in doing so.

So yea, cry about semantics all you want. They matter, whether you like them or not.

a reply to: Granby

Actually, I have to tell you, most of the folks responding in this thread on both "sides" are good, honest folks.

They are saying what they see and believe in the situation. If it's different from what you see, or what I see, that's just human nature.

Sure, they're coming from an authoritarian viewpoint that believes police are justified in what they do regardless of the situation, until, of course, those police enforce laws that they don't like. Then they invoke the "blood of tyrants" spiel and talk about secession.

The irony is either hilarious or horrifying, I can never quite decide.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Hey now. Some of us have a track record that doesn’t support that. Don’t start throwing mud

a reply to: Shamrock6

Haven't you yourself pointed out that the Fulton County DA has filed cases that require taser use to be both lethal and non-lethal at the same time in regard to aggravated assault?

I'm also pretty certain you're aware, because you've made the statement yourself, that tasers have a very low lethal rate.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Gryphon66

Hey now. Some of us have a track record that doesn’t support that. Don’t start throwing mud

Gosh, I thought I was standing up for all of you.

No, Shamrock, you're not a tantrum-secessionist that I've seen. You're fully in the category of speaking your mind.

For the record, you don't seem to be anymore authoritarian than I am, so if I were damning you, I'd be damning myself.

Roll on!

a reply to: Gryphon66

That's no accurate.

What happened to George Floyd was not justified. What happened to the man in South Carolina who simply ran - no fighting, no turning back with weapon, etc. - and was shot deliberately in the back was not justified.

This is far, far murkier.

Those of you who lean left are all big on the "social contract" when it comes to things like universal health care and any other big government program, but this is another part of it. If you live in a society that operates under the rule of law, then you need to have a group whose job it is to enforce that law.

Part of the contract is to understand that if you break the law, you are open to interaction with that group, and at that point, your compliance is mandatory, not a suggestion. And any actions you take to avoid that, resist that compliance, put you at risk of escalating the situation and endangering yourself. It has always been that way.

Now we can argue that there are too many laws forcing too many people into compliance situations, and I'd agree to that. Eric Garner shouldn't have come under interaction for selling black market cigarettes in New York which led to his death. But that's a wider problem than "YAAAAWWRR! COPS BAD!" The cops were put into a situation of enforcing a law that was bad creating a bad interaction.

How many cops are put into bad interactions enforcing ordinances and fines from city hall? Cops ticketing lemonade stands or fining people feeding the homeless? It's the same deal as Eric Garner.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Fulton county DA is the one who said it

I have to assume he knows more about it than you

a reply to: Gryphon66

I have, and they do, which is why they’re less lethal and not non lethal.

And yes, I did point that out because it raises the question of how can a taser fulfill the charge of aggravated assault in one instance but not in another instance. I’m not the one saying that’s the case, the DA is.

a reply to: Granby

He also said that they’re lethal enough to merit an aggravated assault charge in another case. That’s the problem with assuming things. I would “assume” the manufacturer knows more than a lawyer.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Another case is not this case.

Why is it classified as non lethal in Georgia then if the manufacturer states otherwise?

a reply to: ketsuko

More fallacious reasoning. You try to imply that my argument is flawed because to you I "lean left" which is an error of category number one and just untrue number two. I'm on the record here as supporting States Rights, the Second Amendment, a reduced Federal government, etc. Sooo don't try that garbage.

Second, your argument is an attempt to strawman what I've said here. I haven't talked at all about any "social contract" issue in regard to the shooting of Mr. Brooks. Fallacious.

Then you gish gallop to bring in several other related cases that differ in significant details but that you imply are all relevant here.

Then you again reduce the clear arguments here to "awwwr cops bad" which is another (quite silly) deployment of the strawman fallacy.

Then you try to argue from statistics when it is clear that for Black Americans and many of the rest of us, this is an heartfelt matter of watching a long standing (and undisputed) excessive police violence in America against Black Americans.

B S.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Gryphon66

I have, and they do, which is why they’re less lethal and not non lethal.

And yes, I did point that out because it raises the question of how can a taser fulfill the charge of aggravated assault in one instance but not in another instance. I’m not the one saying that’s the case, the DA is.

Less lethal meaning that the lethality threat is what ... 1-2%? 10%?

RIght, you pointed out that the Fulton DA himself (representing the judicial system of Georgia) has exhibited confusion over whether the taser is less lethal or non lethal which actually backs up a position that people in Georgia (including Mr. Brooks and the two officers) understand that there is a very low chance of a taser being lethal.

Particularly when it is fired by a non expert from more than 20 ft away while intoxicated and in flight.

I see your point, and acknowledge it, that Officer Rolfe could have felt that he was acting to protect his life or the lives of others.

He could have felt that way. My point is that as a peace officer, he is held to a higher standard. However, at this point, it's up to the justice system.

a reply to: Gryphon66

RIght, you pointed out that the Fulton DA himself (representing the judicial system of Georgia) has exhibited confusion over whether the taser is less lethal or non lethal which actually backs up a position that people in Georgia (including Mr. Brooks and the two officers) understand that there is a very low chance of a taser being lethal.

I don’t think he’s confused at all. I think he knows exactly what he’s doing.

Particularly when it is fired by a non expert from more than 20 ft away while intoxicated and in flight.

They were practically in the same parking space when brooks turned and point the taser at the officer. That ain’t 20 feet. And yes, I agree that brooks is probably a non expert with no training, and therefore has no clue about not aiming at people’s faces or has ever even heard the phrase “heart to dart distance.”

originally posted by: Granby
a reply to: Shamrock6

Another case is not this case.

Why is it classified as non lethal in Georgia then if the manufacturer states otherwise?

Again, you keep saying this but not showing it. Until you actually show that that’s the case, I’m not going to entertain this song and dance of yours. The state troopers in Georgia don’t classify it as non lethal. The manufacturer says it’s less lethal. A DA saying it’s lethal in one case but not lethal in another case does not come anywhere close to supporting the statement “it’s classified as non lethal in Georgia.”