Atlanta Police Chief resigns after Black Man shot

a reply to: Gryphon66

When you factor in population numbers it is clear homicide is a much bigger problem in the black community than it is in the white community.

The white community is FIVE TIMES as large as the black community, yet the number of murders in each community is similar. This means blacks are committing murder at much higher per capita than whites. So yes, when people bring up black on black violence it is because it is a huge problem within the community, far moreso than in the white community.

a reply to: Edumakated

He ignores that at the rates our own families are degrading, we'll likely start to catch up in a decade or two.

I don't believe that "the studies have shown" the claim that single parent households produce cultural failures to be valid ... for example.

In a paper published last month in the Journal of Marriage and Family, Cross looked at the connection between family structure and children’s educational outcomes and found racial and ethnic differences that were counterintuitive and largely unexplained.

Harvard Gazette

As I was reading the existing literature on this topic, I kept noticing the same finding over and over: that even though children who live outside of the two-parent family tend to fare worse than those who live with two parents, minority children are less negatively impacted by this. Scholars have speculated that maybe this has something to do with minority families having a stronger extended family support network than white families or perhaps that they are more frequently exposed to socioeconomic stressors such that the independent effect of living apart from a parent is just not as pronounced.

What? The literature shows that minority children are less impacted by single family homes than White kids?

When children have two parents in the household who are able to pool resources, they are less likely to live in poverty. However, for minority children, and black and Hispanic children in particular, even when they live in a two-parent family they’re still two to three times more likely to be poor. This has a lot to do with the structural disadvantages that these groups face. I don’t mean to suggest that economic resources are the only things that matter for children’s success — parenting and family stability are also important. However, I do find that economic resources play a key role in determining children’s educational success. This is pretty unfortunate and sobering, but I think it’s important because our current welfare legislation, the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, emphasizes the importance of this two-parent family model.

Wait ... the Personal Reponsibility and Work Opportunity ... what?

One example of this kind of policy is the Healthy Marriage Initiative, implemented under the administration of George W. Bush. States were given the opportunity to take hundreds of millions of dollars allocated for welfare and use the money to create programs to try to encourage low-income families, who are disproportionally families of color, to get married and stay married. Many researchers have found these programs to be largely ineffective, and if we recognize that the benefits of this arrangement aren’t equal [in the first place], then perhaps we shouldn’t divert funds away from these poor families to try to get them to get married. This isn’t to say that I or most researchers think that marriage is problematic, because I don’t, but I don’t think that’s the best solution to fixing poverty.

a reply to: Edumakated

It is taught. It is kind of a form of PTSD.

You have to remember that police were in fact unfairly targeting and beating the sh*t out of black folks on the regular barely two generations ago.

That is something I have suspected for a long time, but a suspicion is far less reliable than the opinion of someone in that culture. Thank you for explaining that.

My question to you then becomes, what can we do about it? What can I do about it? How do we fix it? How do we get from where we are now to where we want to be?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Gryphon66

When you factor in population numbers it is clear homicide is a much bigger problem in the black community than it is in the white community.

The white community is FIVE TIMES as large as the black community, yet the number of murders in each community is similar. This means blacks are committing murder at much higher per capita than whites. So yes, when people bring up black on black violence it is because it is a huge problem within the community, far moreso than in the white community.

So now you want to factor in population numbers? Well, then, we're no longer looking at race-on-race homicide are we?

I guess now it's time to point out that the number of murders is composed of arrests and convictions.

Which brings us back to the fact that Blacks are targetted for arrest and conviction ... unless Black people are just innately more criminal.

You tried to deflect and claim it's "cultural failings" but you didn't substantiate that. SO, can you tell me that Blacks are just more innately criminal than other races? Or shall we look at the rather obvious fact that Black Americans are TARGETTED by police and RAILROADED by the legal system?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Edumakated

He ignores that at the rates our own families are degrading, we'll likely start to catch up in a decade or two.

Do I?

Is your family degrading? How so?

a reply to: Gryphon66

If white homicides were committed at the same rate based on population as blacks, then the white murder rate would be about 17,495.

originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Gryphon66

If white homicides were committed at the same rate based on population as blacks, then the white murder rate would be about 17,495.

You like to make up hypothetical numbers. I gave you real numbers. You don't want to deal with those because your claims are not supported.

I don't think you mean murder rate. That's a number between 1 and 100.

Again, you're conflating number of murders with the number of arrests and convictions. Blacks are targeted by police and trampled by the legal system.

a reply to: ketsuko

Speaking as a male who lost his father to sickness at age 16, the need for a father figure in boys is certainly critical. In my case, I went from a normal, well-adjusted teen to a hellion within the space of a couple months. My mother was simply unable to control me. That switch started several years that could have easily placed me in the kind of danger we are discussing.

The one thing that helped me climb out of that hole was that I had 16 years of memories that brought me back. I can only imagine where I would be today without those memories. Probably in prison or under the dirt. Those raised out of wedlock do not have those memories. If they do know their father, they know him as someone who sleeps around and is unable to deal civilly with their mother. If not, they will likely form a mentor relationship with another man, and that man is likely someone in their neighborhood who has their own problems.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

We saw it in my cousin. Post divorce, my aunt raised he and his younger sister as a single mother. He went through some rough years in his teens. I think the only thing that really pulled him through was that he had our grandfather, the stiff-necked WWII vet, and my own father around in the family providing peripheral family support and male role-modeling.

He's a settled family man now, but it was shaky for a while.

a reply to: Edumakated

When you factor in population numbers it is clear homicide is a much bigger problem in the black community than it is in the white community.

When you factor in the birth and average span of lifetime of a chimp, it becomes clear that living is a per se a cause of death for every species of naked monkeys. And while we're exchanging our mad wizzbits, two cops lost their jobs over something else. Manners matter.

Can we get a moment of silence and tissues for two brave examples from the beloved blue community, who tragically lost both freedom and identity by "just following orders" in a "work sets you free" world?

originally posted by: jefwane
I'm not seeing anything about these officers being charged, just checked AJC and not seeing anything yet locally. Have I missed something? Anyone who thinks the officer could be convicted by Georgia jury, even in Atlanta, is a fool especially if they are a DA. Only takes one juror to believe what his eyes tell em after watching the video. There ain't gonna be any conviction of the officers on this, nope sorry folks. I highly doubt the GBI will even recommend charges. That Fulton DA is gonna cause the Atlanta Police to quit en mass, his actions have already caused several local governments to refuse to send police as aid to Atlanta with the riots.

And just that quickly, the respect I've earned for Mayor Lance-Bottoms and former Chief Shields over the past couple of weeks is gone.

As a neutral person, my only crime being my whiteness, I see this as cut and dried not guilty. You point a weapon at a cop you just stole from them and 99.9 % of LEO's on this Earth and you are likely dead. They have a split second to decide if their own life and others are in imminent danger and have to shoot. Cops are human and want to go home and deserve to do so. Tasers kill and have been banned some places already so the lame argument that it was non lethal is not going to work. It can be non lethal if used properly and it can kill.

DON"T RESIST ARREST, and you don't get killed by LEO's who show up to arrest you.

LEOs just shot a suspect after a 3-county car chase in this area again tonight. Of course, since he was white, no one will care. But he took off running and then turned to shoot it out with police.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: TheRedneck

Tucker isn't doing so well because his sponsors are dropping him.

When videos like this are around for all to see he probably shouldn't be pandering to guests saying there isn't racism in the police force. As technology gets better police should act like everything they do will be seen by cameras.

Jaywalking

Yes, so others step in to fund him. His show Rocks the truth and some people care to hear the truth.

a reply to: TheRedneck

To be honest, I don't really know how to solve it in the short term.

Black parents instill a fear in their kids of police. Heck, I recall a few years ago, there were videos about "the talk" where black parents discuss the police with their kids.



The fear runs deep.

My father was a cop. I certainly had "the talk" growing up. It wasn't so much fear but how to behave around police and to respect their authority. My pops was pretty clear. Just STFU, say yes sir, no sir. Take your ticket or whatever and move on. If I disagree or felt I was wronged, the place to deal with it was AFTER the fact. You don't argue with police on the side of the road. It is a fools argument. You won't win. I've always lived by that code and have never really had a negative run in with police.

a reply to: Edumakated

That's sort of the talk I got from my folks about LEO about the time I started driving as they figured that's about when it would most likely become an issue if it ever did. Of course, there were always the little talks of subtext when we watched shows and movies and stuff too.

How much different is it in regular African-American families? Does it change when a family moves into the middle class?

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Grimpachi

Tucker isn't doing so well because his sponsors are dropping him.

Ah, so you only pay attention to people who pander to sponsors? Got it. Money rules; truth is that which is profitable, amirite?

TheRedneck

Now that you put it that way he may come back to logic. Maybe anyway? I do like the fact that some people can't even see the big picture with all this pandering but they think they know what is best for others. When or if they awake from this slumber they are going to be upset with themselves.

a reply to: Edumakated

How does the typical black person feel about black cops? Is there any less fear there?

TheRedneck

So my first posts on this was a WTF moment, and then I gained more information, so I think I have changed my view. My first view was, oh no another shoot first cop and then when I looked into it all it seems the cop talked to him very peacefully for about 20 mins and very peacefully said "I'm going to place you under arrest" and that is when it went bad.

He successfully fought two officers off and took the taser from one of them and started to run, he then turned twice and fired the taser back at the officers and on the second attempt one officer shot back and killed him.

We can go so many ways with this, but in the end Brooks was 100% in the wrong. Though a taser is not inherently lethal the action can be lethal if the cop was hit and completely immobilized. At that point Brooks could have done anything he wanted up to include killing the cop to get away.

Now we can say the cops could have just backed away and let him go and that might be a direction of what we need to fix with the police forces that can not deescalate the situation, but boy it is a tough call made in seconds. If Brooks just ran it would have been a different story, but the taser upped the seriousness of it all and in this case the cop wasn't going to risk his own life.

Now the cop was fired instantly and will most likely be put up on murder charges... I do not see too many cops wanting to stay on the force after this if it goes in that direction. Some of you will say GOOD! And so be it, have fun, I hope you get a concealed license and learn how to use your gun because that will be all you got, and then we can debate on whether you made the right decision, or just wish your family well in your passing.

a reply to: Gryphon66

My answer to that is Organized Crime is a Myth just like Frank Pentangeli said. It is not always them who keep them in power and it is amazing in the digital age how one can go from hero to zero with an old tweet.