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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Gothmog
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
Your going to have temper tantrum, cool.
Looks more like you're the one throwing the fit. The OP already explained the purpose of the thread. If you don't like it, tough. Just because you disagree with something you're already completely misinterpreting doesn't make the OP wrong. It just makes you look like an ass.
Oh please, you lot sound like a bunch of kids making up fairy tales., there's no evidence at all this was killing people back in October.
Right now there is no evidence it wasn't
Agreed.
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
Your going to have temper tantrum, cool.
Looks more like you're the one throwing the fit. The OP already explained the purpose of the thread. If you don't like it, tough. Just because you disagree with something you're already completely misinterpreting doesn't make the OP wrong. It just makes you look like an ass.
Oh please, you lot sound like a bunch of kids making up fairy tales., there's no evidence at all this was killing people back in October.
I'm going to explain it to you like you are an idiot.
No one was looking for it then. Any deaths were probably chalked up as regular flu related deaths. Again, the flu kills tens of thousands every year. Old people dying of the flu is not uncommon.
Yet medical experts didn't sound any alarms that there was a sudden increase in deaths , how do you explain that ?
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
Im not your bro, and you're making up stories with an op that has no evidence to back it up other than feels.
Sorry to rain on your fantasy.
originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
It’s spread “officially” started in December/end of November that’s “4” months.....
Also a couple of nurses and doctors I’ve talked to said they had “ flu like” patients needing extra care but we’re testing negative for influenza back in September/October
So yeah the O.P. Is correct in his assessment.
originally posted by: new_here
originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
It’s spread “officially” started in December/end of November that’s “4” months.....
Also a couple of nurses and doctors I’ve talked to said they had “ flu like” patients needing extra care but we’re testing negative for influenza back in September/October
So yeah the O.P. Is correct in his assessment.
You know what occurred to me? Those strange symptoms landing people in ICU on a ventilator, that was attributed to (not proven) vaping. Symptoms were cough, fever, difficulty breathing. Hmmm...
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
Your going to have temper tantrum, cool.
Looks more like you're the one throwing the fit. The OP already explained the purpose of the thread. If you don't like it, tough. Just because you disagree with something you're already completely misinterpreting doesn't make the OP wrong. It just makes you look like an ass.
Oh please, you lot sound like a bunch of kids making up fairy tales., there's no evidence at all this was killing people back in October.
I'm going to explain it to you like you are an idiot.
No one was looking for it then. Any deaths were probably chalked up as regular flu related deaths. Again, the flu kills tens of thousands every year. Old people dying of the flu is not uncommon.
Yet medical experts didn't sound any alarms that there was a sudden increase in deaths , how do you explain that ?
Jesus Fu...Christ....
THERE WERE NO INCREASES IN DEATHS. That is the whole freaking point.
Tens of thousands of people die of the flu every year in the US. If the media didn't create this hysteria, there would be no statistically significant change in deaths. The medical community would be like "Gee, the flu season is really bad this year..."
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
Your going to have temper tantrum, cool.
Looks more like you're the one throwing the fit. The OP already explained the purpose of the thread. If you don't like it, tough. Just because you disagree with something you're already completely misinterpreting doesn't make the OP wrong. It just makes you look like an ass.
Oh please, you lot sound like a bunch of kids making up fairy tales., there's no evidence at all this was killing people back in October.
I'm going to explain it to you like you are an idiot.
No one was looking for it then. Any deaths were probably chalked up as regular flu related deaths. Again, the flu kills tens of thousands every year. Old people dying of the flu is not uncommon.
Yet medical experts didn't sound any alarms that there was a sudden increase in deaths , how do you explain that ?
Jesus Fu...Christ....
THERE WERE NO INCREASES IN DEATHS. That is the whole freaking point.
Tens of thousands of people die of the flu every year in the US. If the media didn't create this hysteria, there would be no statistically significant change in deaths. The medical community would be like "Gee, the flu season is really bad this year..."
I will explain this to you like you're an idiot.
So you have no evidence at all you're just making # up as you go.
originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
From the Office of National Statistics
Excess Winter Deaths
There were an estimated 23,200 excess winter deaths which occurred in England and Wales in the 2018 to 2019 winter, the lowest since the winter of 2013 to 2014.
In the 2017 to 2018 winter period, there were an estimated 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales. The number of excess winter deaths in 2017 to 2018 was the highest recorded since winter 1975 to 1976.
Causes of winter deaths
Respiratory diseases remained the leading cause of EWM in 2018 to 2019, with 48.2% (8,900 excess winter deaths (EWD)) and 39.6% (600 EWD) more respiratory deaths in the winter months compared with the non-winter months in England and Wales respectively. This accounted for 40.6% of all EWD in England and 42.9% of all EWD in Wales. The EWM index for respiratory diseases was statistically significantly lower than the two previous periods in both countries.
Of these excess respiratory deaths, pneumonia (defined as ICD-10 codes J12 to J18) accounted for the largest proportions, making up 34.8% of total excess respiratory deaths in England and 50.0% in Wales. During 2018 to 2019, there were 47.7% (3,100 EWD) more pneumonia deaths in the winter period than the non-winter period in England, and 50.9% (300 EWD) more deaths in the winter period in Wales.
As you can see, on just our small island we can have up to 50,000 deaths each winter many of which are respiratory illness or pneumonia. So far, the infection & death rate for this new coronavirus is very small indeed not even on a par with the SARS outbreak in 2002.
This raises the continuing question....is it covid-19 or flu or some other winter bug? Without testing each and every person who feels unwell, there's no way of knowing, possibly until its too late.
Office of National Statistics
originally posted by: new_here
originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
It’s spread “officially” started in December/end of November that’s “4” months.....
Also a couple of nurses and doctors I’ve talked to said they had “ flu like” patients needing extra care but we’re testing negative for influenza back in September/October
So yeah the O.P. Is correct in his assessment.
You know what occurred to me? Those strange symptoms landing people in ICU on a ventilator, that was attributed to (not proven) vaping. Symptoms were cough, fever, difficulty breathing. Hmmm...
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
Your going to have temper tantrum, cool.
Looks more like you're the one throwing the fit. The OP already explained the purpose of the thread. If you don't like it, tough. Just because you disagree with something you're already completely misinterpreting doesn't make the OP wrong. It just makes you look like an ass.
Oh please, you lot sound like a bunch of kids making up fairy tales., there's no evidence at all this was killing people back in October.
I'm going to explain it to you like you are an idiot.
No one was looking for it then. Any deaths were probably chalked up as regular flu related deaths. Again, the flu kills tens of thousands every year. Old people dying of the flu is not uncommon.
Yet medical experts didn't sound any alarms that there was a sudden increase in deaths , how do you explain that ?
Jesus Fu...Christ....
THERE WERE NO INCREASES IN DEATHS. That is the whole freaking point.
Tens of thousands of people die of the flu every year in the US. If the media didn't create this hysteria, there would be no statistically significant change in deaths. The medical community would be like "Gee, the flu season is really bad this year..."
I will explain this to you like you're an idiot.
So you have no evidence at all you're just making # up as you go.
Per the CDC. CDC Flu Stats By State
In New York in 2017, there were 4517 flu / pneumonia deaths. Right now, New York is claiming 883 covid deaths.
I am going to assume you understand which number is greater.
Keep in mind the flu season is only a couple of months so that 4500 deaths is spreadout over maybe 4-5 months at most. Let's assume 6 to be conservative... 4500 / 6 = 750 deaths a month from flu.
Here is another chart from CDC showing peak flu months... Dec, Jan, Feb, March
The Flu Season
Now my next question might be above your pay grade based on your recent posts... but I am going to help you out.
In light of the above data... what I'd like to see now from the fear mongers pushing this Covid Apocalypse in NYC is the following.
We know we've had 883 covid deaths in NYC. What I want to know is what the current non-covid19 flu deaths are in NYC for the same time period.
If Covid were more serious then we should see a similar number of flu deaths PLUS the 883 covid deaths.
What I suspect is we will never see that non-covid flu death number because they are going to lump non-covid in with covid.
We know we've had 883 covid deaths in NYC. What I want to know is what the current non-covid19 flu deaths are in NYC for the same time period.