Actual BREAKING news: China Admits to Hiding Real Covid-19 Infection Numbers from the World!!

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Jay-morris

Absolutely nothing bought from China lasts as long as a well made product.
Zilch.
Dump them.
The only way.
And yes, it's a sh*thole country where people are scared sh*tless of their govt, people are 're-eductated' if they have wrong think and near slave labour abounds.
But hey, as long as you get yor cheap sh*t from there - what do you care...

I wouldn't call them a sh*thole country. I've been there, and there are many beautiful people and places. But yes, they are scared of their government, and they should be. It's very similar to the Imperial army in Star Wars.
And luckily, many companies are moving production from there due to intellectual property violations- they have found that letting China steal everything in exchange for limited market exposure and cheap labor may not be worth it.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: that1lurker

I've said it once before but I think once this all settles we might find ourselves headed to war. I hope thats not the case, but China really screwed the rest of the world over.

NOt really the worlkd government have had nearly two months to act and did nothing. It was evident there was an issue when they built hopsitals.

It was evidnet there was an issue when S korea exploded and then Itally

ALl the time the western governments did nothing.

China handled the situation very well. Look at the infection rate for western world compared to China. Who has handled it better.

I'm sorry, but you are very clearly wrong on all counts.

China lied into January about all aspects of this virus. On this site, in February, discussion was centered on the fact that there was no way that China could be being honest and reacting as they were. It didn't make sense. (Check the link in my sig block)
The fact is, Western Countries were being castigated for promoting travel bans as late as February. The fact is, China LIED about its responses, and about the virus, on all levels. THEY WERE WELDING PEOPLE IN BUILDINGS. They lied to protect their markets and trade, and to keep power. How can you expect Western countries to close their societies and build mass hospitals two months ago, when thy were being assured that this was not that bad, that it wasn't going to spread to other countries, etc.? Our media, opposition parties, etc., were all insisting that even travel bans were an overreaction. That we should trust testing that has now been proven to be 70% ineffective.

IF it turns out that China had massive death rates and it was even more contagious than stated, then China should have pushed the panic button and told every country to lock down or else.

But they didn't. So either it isn't that bad, or they wanted Mutually Assured Destruction.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Re you referring to Chinese propoganda? I agree, if so, but say as I say about Nazi's and KKK members. I like seeing them in public, openly being who they are. Because at least I can see them, and identify them.

Are you actually going to deny that people i.e. doctors and nurses have actually been arrested for attempting to spread the truth about what's really going on?
Can you deny that there would be no need for whistleblowers if everything the CCP said was the truth?
Do you deny that people have died because of the lies continuated by the Chinese Government and their attitude of "saving face at all cost"?
Are you going to deny that this isn't the first time they have done this? See SARS 2002/2003

All this led to the global spread of the virus. They didn't act for at least 2 months against the spread of the virus they only acted against the spread of the truth and contained anyone thought to be bad mouthing the CCP.

China have taken advantage of the now global pandemic and seriously buckled down on their spread of misinformation by blaming anyone and everyone other than themselves, they take no responsibility for this pandemic despite an indepth article from a specialist coronavirus in bats expert that said

In a 2019 article, Chinese experts warned it was “highly likely that future SARS- or MERS-like coronavirus outbreaks will originate from bats, and there is an increased probability that this will occur in China.” In a 2007 journal article, infectious-disease specialists published a study arguing that “the presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb. The possibility of the reemergence of SARS and other novel viruses from animals or laboratories and therefore the need for preparedness should not be ignored.” It was ignored.

The Atlantic

There is also this story stating that an employee was bitten
The Express
a reply to: Jay-morris

a reply to: ThouArtGod

I understand, its good they make it obvious. Conversing with them is talking to a wall though, why do that to yourself? Its not like you will change their mind, its not even their ideas to begin with. Sorry I dont mean to be bossy I am just frustrated to see a good thread derailed like it has been. Well done overall thank you.

a reply to: face23785
That is true. But that was before we had Trump. I don't think he's going to roll over that easy. But time will tell.

a reply to: ThouArtGod

Really if you think the governments of the world did not see this coming then they are incomptent idiots. I will put it into perspective for you.

It was about mid jan when the virus was first identified coronavirus, which was isolated on 7
January 20.


On 12 January 2020, China shared the genetic sequence of the novel coronavirus for countries to use in developing specific diagnostic kits

(at this point any government could if they have chosen started making kit and monitoring the situation.)

It then over the next few weeks spread across many countries. Still western govenrments chose not to act.

China started compiling data on the disease and released information. (many of the testing mechanisms where faulty giving an inacaracy of data.

Skip into Febuary and this report had been compiled Report of the
WHO-China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease 2019 COVID-19)

Have a read its all there

www.who.int...


Whats your problem. We have had plenty time to act had far more warning that China did and now there is going to be a blood bath.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: ThouArtGod

Really if you think the governments of the world did not see this coming then they are incomptent idiots. I will put it into perspective for you.

It was about mid jan when the virus was first identified coronavirus, which was isolated on 7
January 20.


On 12 January 2020, China shared the genetic sequence of the novel coronavirus for countries to use in developing specific diagnostic kits

(at this point any government could if they have chosen started making kit and monitoring the situation.)

It then over the next few weeks spread across many countries. Still western govenrments chose not to act.

China started compiling data on the disease and released information. (many of the testing mechanisms where faulty giving an inacaracy of data.

Skip into Febuary and this report had been compiled Report of the
WHO-China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease 2019 COVID-19)

Have a read its all there

www.who.int...


Whats your problem. We have had plenty time to act had far more warning that China did and now there is going to be a blood bath.

You are wasting your time. This is just another anti chinese thread. These people do not care about evidence, they care about making China guilty.

You look at the West. Even now the public are not forced to wear a mask. Here in the UK, hardly anyone is wearing a mask. I guess that's China's fault that the West has completly messed this up in so many ways, and still are.

In Brigh Ton, still loads of people outside. Still people visiting the sea front! And people wonder why it's spreading at an alarming rate!

a reply to: Jay-morris

In Brigh Ton, still loads of people outside. Still people visiting the sea front! And people wonder why it's spreading at an alarming rate!

Yes the UK is mental for it.

Heard immunity

Ride at dawn

Stiff upper lip

and bury the dead.

rip peeps

a reply to: Jay-morris

I think at this point, and I hate to say it, that you might be a government troll. There is no way that you can justify your train of thought, or otherwise, unless you are a member of the CCP. I say this due to certain slip-ups you have made (Our country, in reference to China, etc.), and positions you have advocated. But I will still answer this series of points, as I have no problem debating, and defeating, a communist sympathizer. If I am wrong about any part of my analysis concerning your origins, I apologize. Not the communist sympathizer part, as that is still accurate.

If they did not tackle it like they did, thousands more would have died. Look at the soft approach from other countries, hence the reason it's getting worse.

Validating their authoritarian approach is difficult, insomuch as according to their numbers, this was on par with a. "normal" flu outbreak. We do not respond in such a fashion in the U.S. to the Influenza virus. So was this worse than the common flu? I am not saying that this fact would validate the response, but at least the argument could be made. The problem here is that THEY HAVE LIED FROM THE BEGINNING. So we have no idea if this response was necessary. IS there something they would like to admit to? Is there something we should know about the virus and its effects on humans? Using the excuse of "thousands could die" is the drumbeat of the authoritarian, so this is not a valid reason to toss freedoms to me.
As far as soft approaches go- are you saying we should weld people's doors shut? Because that is what they did. please answer that simple question.

Should we weld people's doors shut when someone has tested positive- in the building?

Thank you for answering that direct question.

As for the lying, if you are talking about when the virus first broke, then thst was the the people who are in charge of that specific area of China.

No, I am to just referring to when the virus first broke. I am tired of running down sources for people, but in January they convinced WHO (World Health Organization) to NOT call this a pandemic, including saying that the virus could not be transmitted human-to-human. This was all a lie. They knew it was transmittable. The CENTRAL government knew this. It was not about the local government, which in the case of the U.S. would be the equivalent to the state of New York running the response, and controlling U.S. policy on the same. That would NEVER happen. So I know it wasn't the case in China.
Per this thread, they are not following international standards for reporting, which means, wait for it, they are STILL lying. Seeing as we have large holes in early data, I would hazard that it isn't a stretch to use the word "lying".

And they were arrested and charged for lying.

You mean "arrested for making the communist party look bad'.

There, fixed it for you.

Isn't it odd that once the central government said that individual local leaders wold be held accountable for new cases that suddenly new cases ceased to be reported? I would guess it wasn't because the virus stopped overnight.

Governments in the West have not even implemented simple things like everyone has to wear a mask! And people wonder why it is spreading fast in the West!

Well, unless there is something that we don't know about the virus... (pauses, looks at China) ...then a mask will not prevent the spread of this type of illness. It spreads via eyes, on hands, clothing, everything. It can linger on clothing for days, so unless you were wearing a HAZMAT suit, and disinfected at every door, then it spreads no matter what. But keep
spreading that information. again, we could be told that there is a lot of info China isn't telling us.

So basically your evidence that they are Lying about their numbers is that they are proven liars.

No, I am saying that they have a policy in place to not admit numbers of infected who are asymptomatic. They said that, not me. I am saying that it is effectively a lie by international infectious disease standards. But also what you said. They are liars.

Are you saying your own government are not proven liars? Or is it just the countries that are not allies that are the evil lying scum?

All countries lie. period. But does your neighbor murdering someone mean that you are now allowed to just shoot someone in the face? At least with Western governments we can count on their opposition (who also wants power) exposing them in the end. In China, we have to depend on people escaping, media risking pissing off Pooh Bear, and then finding a sympathetic ear in the general public/government. So there's that.

It's obvious you think that we should just toss our standard of freedom in this country and imprison people until this passes. But the info we have says this is a naturally occurring 10X worse than normal flu, right? So why should we have to do all of that?

Is there something we should know? Are we short on information? Is it possible China is hiding something?

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I love this response. You can't be anymore accurate.

China needs to step up right now, and be honest about everything. If they were, we might see some forgiveness. If they don't, and this gets any worse (meaning, characteristics of this virus are exposed that could have been shared months ago), then they will face a world wide level of economic sanctions that might destroy their economy.

originally posted by: sputniksteve
a reply to: ThouArtGod

I understand, its good they make it obvious. Conversing with them is talking to a wall though, why do that to yourself? Its not like you will change their mind, its not even their ideas to begin with. Sorry I dont mean to be bossy I am just frustrated to see a good thread derailed like it has been. Well done overall thank you.

I appreciate the compliment. Sometimes I hope that people use my threads to then look at other threads I've written, so that there is at least an audience multiplier.

As far as talking to CCP walls- if no one confronted them, then they might get to continue their propaganda unimpeded.

a reply to: Chance321

Our President, like him or hate him, is fighting a battle on so many fronts that the fog of war becomes an issue as well.

a reply to: purplemer

IN mid January this was a localized virus that was apparently not spread via human-to-human contact, as per China's own analysis. Remember the governments of the world saying that they shouldn't shut down travel and Lunar New Year celebrations? This was based on recommendations from WHO, which was influenced by monies from the CCP. People who suggested otherwise were accused of denying science.
And are you aware of how hard it is to first create, then mass produce, test kits? Even those that started early on are only now working out the kinks and testing percentages. This is not a simple thing. Even if China was honest about their numbers (which they weren't), the only reason they stopped the spread in their country (which they didn't), was because they physically locked people in their homes and left them to die.

a reply to: Jay-morris

So painting out that China is lying, has lied, and continues to lie, is anti-China?

Really?!

Fact- China, in a shock to their own Doctors, are not counting Asymptomatic people in their external reporting. The same numbers which will greatly impact modeling, and may in fact influence people to act more seriously as you are saying they aren't . If China is lying about something as simple to report as that, what else are they hiding?

And I can't catch the normal flu from sitting on a beach, outside, 20 feet from other people. Why can I catch this one, supposedly? What am I not being told?

a reply to: ThouArtGod

Made in china-emphasis on the word 'made.'

they need to be punished, my german friend wants to nuke them, but we need to take out their nuclear silos first, then Trump needs to consolidate all of the free world and should launch the greatest air attack in history.

it will make dresden look like a campfire.

a reply to: ThouArtGod

Ive heard of reports (haven't read any) that are suggesting that males who contracted the virus and recovered may have a higher likelihood of now being sterile.

It would be nice to know if there is any truth to that. China may have more information but they arent being candid with their findings or thorough in their approach. What they know and dont about this virus is a state secret.