Corona Virus Updates Part 5

originally posted by: drussell41

originally posted by: DanDanDat

As health officials around the world push to get more ventilators to treat coronavirus patients, some doctors are moving away from using the breathing machines when they can.

The reason: Some hospitals have reported unusually high death rates for coronavirus patients on ventilators, and some doctors worry that the machines could be harming certain patients.

The evolving treatments highlight the fact that doctors are still learning the best way to manage a virus that emerged only months ago. They are relying on anecdotal, real-time data amid a crush of patients and shortages of basic supplies.

Mechanical ventilators push oxygen into patients whose lungs are failing. Using the machines involves sedating a patient and sticking a tube into the throat. Deaths in such sick patients are common, no matter the reason they need the breathing help.

www.nbcnewyork.com...

It may be much higher than 40-50 percent....

www.physiciansweekly.com...


Both my husband and I saw papers quoting death rates around 86-87 percent, but I can't find them now, only the above paper. I need to get rolling with the morning so won't be researching further; this is just a heads up that 40-50 percent may be very understated.



This back ups what the US NY front line Doctor said who did a vid from his home dressed his Doctors gown/tunic.

www.newsweek.com...
Up to 150 Members of the Saudi Royal Family Infected With Coronavirus: Report

As many as 150 members of the Saudi Arabian royal family may have been infected with coronavirus, according to a new report.

They are reporting 2,932 total cases which I am sure is under reported

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite





This back ups what the US NY Doctor who did a vid from his home dressed his Doctors gown/tunic.

I didn't watch it. Would you summarize for me, please?

originally posted by: drussell41

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: drussell41

originally posted by: DanDanDat

As health officials around the world push to get more ventilators to treat coronavirus patients, some doctors are moving away from using the breathing machines when they can.

The reason: Some hospitals have reported unusually high death rates for coronavirus patients on ventilators, and some doctors worry that the machines could be harming certain patients.

The evolving treatments highlight the fact that doctors are still learning the best way to manage a virus that emerged only months ago. They are relying on anecdotal, real-time data amid a crush of patients and shortages of basic supplies.

Mechanical ventilators push oxygen into patients whose lungs are failing. Using the machines involves sedating a patient and sticking a tube into the throat. Deaths in such sick patients are common, no matter the reason they need the breathing help.

www.nbcnewyork.com...

It may be much higher than 40-50 percent....

www.physiciansweekly.com...


Both my husband and I saw papers quoting death rates around 86-87 percent, but I can't find them now, only the above paper. I need to get rolling with the morning so won't be researching further; this is just a heads up that 40-50 percent may be very understated.

This back ups what the US NY Doctor who did a vid from his home dressed his Doctors gown/tunic.

I didn't watch it. Would you summarize for me, please?

vimeo.com...

docs.google.com...

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

thanks

originally posted by: puzzled2
Hi

reading Level of IL-6 predicts respiratory failure in hospitalized symptomatic COVID-19
patients

Which has the summary

elevated
interleukin-6 (IL-6) was strongly associated with the need for mechanical ventilation (p=1.2·10-5).
In addition, the maximal IL-6 level (cutoff 80 pg/ml) for each patient during disease predicted
respiratory failure with high accuracy (p=1.7·10-8, AUC=0.98). The risk of respiratory failure for
patients with IL-6 levels of ≥ 80pg /ml was 22 times higher compared to patients with lower IL6 levels.

Which when looking up high levels of IL-6 What is Interleukin 6?has

Tocilizumab, a drug which inhibits the interleukin-6 receptor, has been studied as a therapeutic helper in a variety of chronic inflammatory disorders

Have they used Tocilizumab with a treatment of Covid-19 ?
First Report of MM Patient Successfully Treated for COVID-19 With Tocilizumab reported by Mark S. Lesney April 08, 2020

Recent research has shown that severe cases of COVID-19 show an excessive immune response and a strong cytokine storm, which may include high levels of granulocyte-macrophage colony-stimulating factor (GSF) and interleukin-6 (IL-6). Following up on that research, investigators from China reported the first case of COVID-19 in a patient with multiple myeloma (MM) who was successfully treated with the humanized anti–IL-6 receptor antibody tocilizumab (an off-label use in the United States)

So another look into the massive amount of cross treating different symptoms to give help to individuals fighting the effects of the virus and the bodies immune system.

No time for double blind testing, it's just time to find if some are dying when given a treatment. -
lots of "oh they could have might have survived without it, so we need to find out if it was effective or a waste of time first" -- What's the extra cost of the treatment a few dollars extra.
I think its time to see if they die with the treatment because people are sure doing that right now, without .

i.e. everyone gets a Zinc and Zinc Ionophores as described in the current off-lable success treatments and this old paper Zn2+ Inhibits Coronavirus and Arterivirus RNA Polymerase Activity In Vitro and Zinc Ionophores Block the Replication of These Viruses in Cell Culture

If the patient still has the need for ventilation and has high IL-6 a single shot of tocilizumab

Not being a doctor nor a expert in any of this but the reports of people dying with current treatment protocols and not dying with a trial protocols tells me existing kills people but saves some money by not using a old well tested drug in a new manner. The jobsworths can tick their sheet going home knowing they followed orders.

Something has to change people.
10,000s of people who have died can not have died for nothing what have learnt from their death?

After that video by the doc in his scrubs in his kitchen saying this looks like altitude sickness, I did a load of research on AS which I posted previously (about carbonic ahydrases) - well if you're suffering from AS the levels of interleuken-6 also increase.

Even the symptoms of AS:

Persistent dry cough!
Symptoms like bronchitis
shortness of breath
fever
headache
nausea and vomitting
eye pain

Honestly I really think there's something in this.

Update from our local hospital here in the middle of nowhere UK:

23 deaths now from covid, the first death was on either 23rd or 26th March.

a reply to: DankyDSmythe

All that means is dealing with lack of Oxygen. Which has been reported in Covid cases with lung damage/pneumonia.

What’s your aha moment here?

originally posted by: litterbaux
a reply to: DankyDSmythe

All that means is dealing with lack of Oxygen. Which has been reported in Covid cases with lung damage/pneumonia.

What’s your aha moment here?

The aha moment was that doctor in his scrubs saying it looks like altitude sickness.

I've worked with lots of very intelligent very highly qualified people, and I've watched the world change to where they think that someone fresh out of university with a degree is far more valuable with someone with years of experience - but experience in my experience - is something you can't substitute by sitting in a classroom.

So what he said in essence was - the people making the decisions (i.e. the experts) are making those decisions based on what they think is happening (based on what they learned in a classroom), and by looking at numbers.

What they aren't doing is visiting the front line to see for themselves what is really happening, the symptoms the patients are presenting with, and the way they respond to treatments - and that this is the important bit, where the answers lie.

For example, in neo-nates (premature babies, the most vulnerable of all vulnerable patients) the nurses develop a kind of gut feeling or hunch, by watching each individual patient they can see the minute signs that show something is happening, and then take steps to remedy it - if they wait until the stuff hits the fan and the neo-nate gets ill, it is immediately life threatening.

So observing the emperical evidence, actually seeing and getting a feel for what is happening is probably very important, especially when dealing with some new illness.

So when he says from what he and others have observed it looks like altitude sickness - that this is what's causing the inability to breathe - and as it progresses they treat them on ventilators for the resulting pneumonia - they are treating the symptoms, not the cause.

I'm not saying they have altitude sickness, but that what the virus does to the body is cause an effect that is just like AS, then probably to treat the cause you need to attack it from that angle, rather than by trying to treat the symptoms once it takes hold.

Like if someone has a disease that keeps pumping some poison into the system, and you respond by trying to remove the poison, you'll be doing it forever, you need to kill the thing creating the poison to remove the need to treat the poison.

Anyway it just from my previous work/life experience feels right - like a gut feeling - and I think as time progresses we'll see them realise they need to adjust treatment to deal with this.

I think we can be sure that in the end the treatment will not be the same treatment people are getting now.

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2
From Johns Hopkins Site :

Countries left without Confirmed Cases :

Turkmenistan
Tajikistan
North Korea
Lesotho

Don't think I see any others, and that just about makes it the whole world now.
I'd consider each of these countries to likely have at least one un-confirmed case, if not many more.

North Korea wouldn’t admit it if they did.

Numbers from around the world are now starting to come in for April 10th.

Spain
Pop: 44.6 M
157,053 Positive tests…….. or 1 out of 297 Spaniards
10.16% Deaths

Italy
Pop: 60.4 M
147,577 Positive tests….. or 1 out of 410 Italians
12.77 % Deaths

US
Pop: 330 M
487,018 Positive tests.... or 1 out of 678 Americans
3.66% Deaths

US death rates (2017):
1. Heart Disease …………….…………647,457 annual or 1,773 daily average
2. Cancer ……………………..……….….599,108 annual or 1,641 daily average
3. Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 annual or 465 daily average
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases:.160,201 annual or 438 daily average
8. Influenza and Pneumonia …………55,562 annual or 152 daily average
X. Auto accidents ………………….………37,461 annual or 102 daily average
X. H1N1 2009 ESTIMATED (8,868 – 18,306) for 1 year or 24 – 50 daily average
COVID-19 ………………………………………. 17,854 (38 Day) or 469 daily average

Canadian police are to begin visiting homes to enforce the government’s COVID-19 quarantine, the RCMP said on Friday, warning that “recklessly” failing to comply could result in a $1-million fine and three years in prison

I know of 2 couples that are returning from Mexico on May 1 provided flight not canceled. The state they are in , Oaxaca, also declared alcohol non essential so sales are banned.

globalnews.ca...

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Like I said wait a week or maybe 2.

Yes yes yes, that is what you fear-mongers have been saying for months now.

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
I'm in the UK and the death rate is running at close to 9% actually.

I just checked and it is now at 1.2%.

Your math sucks.

My gut feeling says this is from a lab
would warrant such a severe global reaction.
not a scientist
but the lack of antibodies throws up a big red flag for me

originally posted by: Byrd
The virus in New York City came from Europe, not China. (they know this from analyzing the genetic variance in the gene.)

And the virus from Europe came from China.

So what is your point?

Running out of body bags. People dying in the hallway. Coronavirus has Michigan hospital workers at a breaking point.

Running out of body bags. People dying in the hallway. Coronavirus has Michigan hospital workers at a breaking point. The emergency department is bursting to the seams, day after day, night after night. “We’ve run out of stretchers. We’ve run out of body bags,” said Kallek, who is a nurse. Patients end up in the emergency-department hallways using oxygen tanks, she said. One night, they even ran out of oxygen tanks, so staff ran oxygen tubing from patient rooms to the people in the hallways. And the COVID patients who come in are so, so fragile. “We’ve never had patients like this, who crash so fast out of nowhere,” Kallek said. “One minute they’re smiling and the next minute they’re down.”

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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
I'm in the UK and the death rate is running at close to 9% actually.

I just checked and it is now at 1.2%.

Your math sucks.

Death rate in U.S.A. is 15,000/331,000,000 so right around .00004%...

That dude said 9% in the UK?!?!?.....

Lolz😜

originally posted by: Scepticaldem

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
I'm in the UK and the death rate is running at close to 9% actually.

I just checked and it is now at 1.2%.

Your math sucks.

Death rate in U.S.A. is 15,000/331,000,000 so right around .00004%...

That dude said 9% in the UK?!?!?.....

Lolz😜

THAT is NOT how it's calculated by any official at all. You take the number of deaths - 18,009 and divide by the number of CASES which is currently 488,980. In the US. That comes to 3.68%. Currently. It will be different tomorrow. Probably higher since it's been rising again after it went down for a few days.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
I'm in the UK and the death rate is running at close to 9% actually.

I just checked and it is now at 1.2%.

Your math sucks.

Check the "Death Rate" Column, and the "UK" line and see where they meet.
I'll believe BNO before some random person on the Internet.