Corona Virus Updates Part 5

We just passed China... we'll probably flip back and forth with Italy for a bit but then we'll keep on going... (by the time I post this someone else probably will have posted too

originally posted by: pasiphae
We just passed China... we'll probably flip back and forth with Italy for a bit but then we'll keep on going...

a reply to: pasiphae

Well, that came sooner than I predicted on last post!

Overtaken China and Trump wants the system back to normal by Easter??

Don't think that's going to happen.

Not sure this lockdown is working.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Just like the Olympics and world athletics championships... always at the top of the rankings!

Anyway, back on topic:

The UK had a high rise in cases today aswell and deaths.

And this thing keeps on spreading. If only China had locked down their Airports when first case arrived.

a reply to: pasiphae

Total deaths is very low though compared to the amount of cases, so that's a good thing. Nowhere near Italy's death rate.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

What you quoted is not what Ferguson said in his report -

- it is what Alex Berenson 'Tweeted' after mis-interpreting what Ferguson's report actually said...

Read the original article from "New Scientist", it is linked in the "DailyWire" article..

I believe this has already ripped through the world and what we are seeing are 2nd and 3rd waves
mixed with another variant.
best is to hold the line and stay put, though i don't see that being possible for those caught unprepared
don't forget your daily dose of vitamin D, 75% reduction of it going serious.
Fines are now being handed out in my area for those not socially distancing,hefty one's for business not complying
No one is wearing a mask in stores,(i'm guessing) for fear of being considered a carrier.
I have been handing out the odd mask to the elderly at bus stops,(have an extra box,opened) sponsored a few from my neighbourhood to run errands.
found myself amongst the millions who have lost their jobs over this,
silver lining
managing to spend some quality time with the family
have the opportunity to teach my children some meaningful skills.

So I started talking with some of my former coworkers at about the terrible "flu" that took down nearly our entire workforce at manufacturing company that receives express parts from China (supposedly even Wuhan but I never saw the paperwork to verify it myself) in southwest Ohio back in December. I thought I might throw it to you guys and see what you think.

First cases popped up in early December with most being the people that handled the packages directly. Seemingly a persistent light flu with a non producing cough. Then came the workers that were in 60-80 age range with most of the workers in 30-40s by Christmas. By January a few of the late 20s had it with the early 20s barely affected and their young children remaining unaffected as far as I know. The symptoms eventually progressed to redness around the face and eyes, a harder cough that produced occasionally in the smokers, extreme fatigue to the point of the older workers falling asleep in chairs and on work tables and I felt worse than rucking a 40lb ALICE through a swamp and I am in very good shape and a health nut all except for my smoking (Doh!). By January people had burned through their end of the year PTO and started hitting their new PTO for 2020. By the end of january it looked like a second round of it had started again following the same pattern so I started wearing and sharing PPE since my wife became pregnant. i was subsequently fired the next day for unclear reasons. Last I heard more people were getting sick there but nothing extreme except a manager contacting me to to find out what I know about the virus.

It took me into mid february to feel like myself again going down to extremely 3-5lb weight routines and body weight exercises spread through out the day. My wife (same age as me, early 30s) and our kid (late teens) showed fairly mild symptoms the whole time. That is a regular pattern for our family if I get sick though and was once casually told to by a doctor that is common with 0+ blood type in herd immune theory (I guess 0+ shed less of a virus or exchange useful antibodies to their family through fluids or something).

That's all the relevent anecdotal data I could gather in hopes that one of you with a little extra medical or viral knowledge might think of it.

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

Don't think it's working in NY:
www.worldometers.info...

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

Ferguson is presenting drastically downgraded estimates, revealing that far more people likely have the virus than his team figured.

The fact that he's admitting a lot more people have the virus and is still downgrading his estimates of lethality by a factor of 25 seems to indicate the social distancing and lockdowns are a non-factor in the presently revised model, ya?

It's way too early for the UK lockdowns to have had an effect.
They're still out and about basically, revelling in that UK rarity, 'Sunshine'.

No way UK lockdown has had any effect yet.

www.newscientist.com...
the New Scientist Link just for info.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
Has anyone else seen or posted this yet -

www.dailywire.com...

Some good news for a change! Or just a sign we have been hoodwinked for some elites LARP party...

The same revision to his US prediction would yield 88,000 US deaths from COVID. That's slightly higher than 2017-2018's 80,000 American deaths due to influenza, which was a 40 year high.

This is an aggressive flu and we're allowing ourselves to be played in it's name.

I'm not going to be jumping for joy just yet.
If there are two variants to this Virus, one much more potent than the other, it could just be that the mild one is running its course.
I'd rather wait a bit, and get some more Clinical info on the strains affecting the population.
At least he admitted he was wrong, and off by a large factor (500,000 compared to 20,000).
I'd be really happy if he's right.

Look man, I think your position is actually what ALL of us need to embrace, but running in either direction. I agree with you, no reason to "jump for joy" yet, but by the same token all of the doom and gloom and pessimism is equally misplaced and over reactionary. WE HAVE NO EFFING CLUE how this is ultimately going to play out and that's why I'm vehemently opposed to these reactions. We should be responding to reality, not responding to fears of what could be approaching.

According to the article, those initial numbers were if we did nothing. He revised the numbers, taking into account the lockdowns. I would think if anything, it is showing the lockdowns are working. Which is a good thing. Still not just an aggressive flu. All we have to do is wait and see where it goes. I think the lockdowns are going to help.

Interesting that he himself has become infected.

Ehhh... not exactly.

Ferguson is presenting drastically downgraded estimates, revealing that far more people likely have the virus than his team figured.

It reads more likely that their initial model expected this to be a lot more deadly than it is proving to be, and now that they realize a LOT more people have it and the hospitalization rates they predicted with even fewer anticipated infected in their models versus the actual hospitalizations presently seen with a much higher number of infected his team is realizing this is very virulent but nowhere near as lethal as the initial model presumed.

Ehh... Yes, exactly.

"However, after just one day of ordered lockdowns in the U.K., Ferguson is presenting drastically downgraded estimates, revealing that far more people likely have the virus than his team figured."

“One last point here: Ferguson gives the lockdown credit, which is *interesting* — the UK only began [its] lockdown 2 days ago, and the theory is that lockdowns take 2 weeks or more to work,”


Personally, I think he was given a very "strong suggestion" to re-calculate. So as to try to quell the fear.

a reply to: MrRCflying

The number of infected is larger than they calculated so he's revising the death toll down by a factor of 25... you're admitting that since the lockdown hadn't even started when this revision began, it is a non-issue. So yeah, the not exactly stands untouched on this. The lockdowns are manipulating a crisis as an excuse to screw over the ideas of freedom and liberty... they're having zero impact on the virus. Simultaneously, we're learning this virus is far widerspread than we were told and, as a result, far, FAR less lethal as a whole. Very similar to the flu, actually.

People are being played like a fiddle.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I think it’s a little to soon to judge. I think they need to quarantine nyc shut down the airport and quarantine it. Need to get drastic to save lives. I understand people are pissed and screaming constitutional rights etc. I don’t think we have to worry about dc being smart enough to take our rites away etc. hell they are not smart enough to figure out how to quarantine a city.

a reply to: Bicent

I think the Constitution *should* block that over reach from happening... unfortunately we're living the tyranny of the majority right now and the majority are over reactive scared children being played like a fiddle by this horsesnip, so there we are...

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I think this virus is an excuse for the new world order! I didn't for a while but last couple weeks I've been thinking about a lot of threads on ATS over the years and what ATS'ers were saying, also watching David Icke... it's all coming to fruition whether this virus is the real deal or not, whether this virus was released for the purpose or not, it's here... the new way of life is here, also I've read about the new Universal credit before and whether it would come about.... well, its here in the UK now... well nearly with everyone being paid 80% of their wages but this won't last forever and some people had to sign on to get benefits to cover their out goings.

We are now being fined for being outside and being limited to what we can buy.

I've read it all on ATS before this virus came along.

Forgot about drones... Police are using them now to see where people are going and we have to show or tell them who we are and what we're doing etc..

a reply to: Chance321


crazy amount for just one state!

originally posted by: Chance321
a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

Don't think it's working in NY:
www.worldometers.info...

It would be worse if they didn't shut down. They just didn't shut down soon enough. Shutting down everywhere else is helping to flatten our curve so our death rate overall doesn't skyrocket. Had we not locked down things would be looking even more grim.

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

Never let a crisis got to waste, the more outrageously over hyped the crisis, the better.

originally posted by: FamCore
We will hit 70,000 confirmed cases in the US, and 500,000 confirmed cases globally later today (we're at 69,000-something in US and 490,000-something globally at the current time)

That was fast

And just as quickly, the coronavirus seems to have evaporated from China.

www.google.com...

I don’t know what to think at this point. These revised models and new theories are tempting, particularly when we’re looking for positives in a bleak situation. The question is, how can you give them any more credence than the previous models, when there are still so many unknowns? They’re certainly acting like there’s a huge problem and the reports we hear daily about the fast developing and rapidly escalating crisis suggest there’s a huge problem globally as well. What do we actually KNOW?