Corona Virus Updates Part 5

a reply to: pasiphae

^^^^Annnnd this is LITERALLY why there is NFW China has hardly any new cases, thank you.

a reply to: redpassion

It also serves to know how to treat the patient.

In LA they are testing if it will aid treatment. Whatever that means.

Yes, I think the point is that the infection rate is such that coronavirus is assumed in patients who are admitted. I think ICU means isolation, but I could be wrong. The article is behind a paywall.

originally posted by: clay2 baraka

On March 10, Natasha Ott, 39, felt the beginnings of a cold coming on.

She had a slight fever. CrescentCare, the medical clinic where she worked, had only a handful of tests for the new strain of coronavirus on hand. She initially passed on the chance to take one, after being told she was low-risk for the serious disease.

When her symptoms didn't shake, she did take the test on Monday. By Thursday, she felt "something in her lungs," she told longtime partner Josh Anderson. But she still felt well enough by then to join Anderson as the pair walked her dog.

On Friday, Anderson found Ott dead in her kitchen.

Her test results have still not come back. The Orleans Parish Coroner's Office has not released a cause of death; state health officials have not said whether they believe it was a case of coronavirus.

www.nola.com...

I have been watching the US numbers, every day the critical cases in the ICU stay at a steady number of 64 cases, yet every day a couple dozen or so people die. That means that people are dying in their homes without treatment, trying to shrug this off and are later found dead, then later tested.

This is very sad..

Yes, it most certainly is. But it's more than that, as well, as to community spread and the progression of the situation here, in New Orleans, per this young woman's story.
take care
tetra

a reply to: IWant2Believe323

Those who have been following this post since the beginning have known it.... I hoped we weren't right. This is a really really tricky virus. Unfortunately. I wish the US was really looking at the info available.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: redpassion

It also serves to know how to treat the patient.

In LA they are testing if it will aid treatment. Whatever that means.

Yes, I think the point is that the infection rate is such that coronavirus is assumed in patients who are admitted. I think ICU means isolation, but I could be wrong. The article is behind a paywall.

What truly concerns me is Dr. Fauci was on the evening news, talking about NOT testing any longer, as it exposes health care workers to possible infection.

This indicates a very dire situation, as we have heard from WHO that testing and contact tracing is paramount in stopping infection rates. Electing to not test, to not expose health workers, indicates they fully expect infrastructure health systems to be overwhelmed, and are halting testing to not expose any more, as they know that there will necessarily be a shortage of healthcare workers to treat the ill.....

And since when does Intensive Care Unit mean isolation?
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

What truly concerns me is Dr. Fauci was on the evening news, talking about NOT testing any longer,

Need more details. I'll look for a video.

Give that man a medal.
Put him in charge immediately.
youtu.be...
twitter.com...

a reply to: tetra50

But the thing is - why can't they train people who have different kinds of medical backgrounds than actual nurses and doctors to do the tests?

Hardly anybody is giving blood at this point, use the blood bank phlebotomists for testing - a lot of dentist offices are closed, surely they have enough medical background to do the tests..

They could have testing sites away from hospitals, which would take some of the 'chaos' away from emergency rooms, and recruit all manner of alternate type medical professionals (or even medical students for that matter) to be trained to do the tests..

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: liejunkie01

This conversation started with people wearing homemade masks as they go out and about.

Not exactly the same situation.

Go ahead and wear one as you go out and about, if it makes you feel safer.

It does. Thank you for your permission.

I have worked in a lot of clean rooms, I think I know how to wear one properly. Homemade one, no thanks. I will stick with the N95 or P100 respirator.

originally posted by: lostgirl
a reply to: tetra50

But the thing is - why can't they train people who have different kinds of medical backgrounds than actual nurses and doctors to do the tests?

Hardly anybody is giving blood at this point, use the blood bank phlebotomists for testing - a lot of dentist offices are closed, surely they have enough medical background to do the tests..

They could have testing sites away from hospitals, which would take some of the 'chaos' away from emergency rooms, and recruit all manner of alternate type medical professionals (or even medical students for that matter) to be trained to do the tests..

I agree, totally.
And I saw the need for mass testing long time ago.

so why can't they do that, that's the question.
I am trying to illuminate that the "response" is getting to be bigger than the virus, perhaps, which for obvious reasons begins to be about .....well, other things.....
stay safe, my friend.
tetra

What has not been mentioned that hopefully carries weight for those still out and about
THIS VIRUS IS SPREAD BY MERELY BREATHING
No coughing necessary

Most are of the understanding that coughs are required
for transfer.
NOT TRUE

if one must be out
absolutely without question wear a mask,and gloves
could save a life.

a reply to: IWant2Believe323

Saying China has no new cases, is being pushed on the media because it gives hope that their will be an end to it. I would imagine as this # show gets going, China will be quoted a lot, because they look like the shining . But the CCP will have realized that their hold on power in the realms of chaos gets more tenuous as more people realize they have engaged in creative accounting, then burnt the books. Just look at Italy getting near a 10 per cent death rate, That's would put the real death rate in Wuhan at about a million. Which makes the million plus drop off in We chat accounts more reasonable. Plus the lack of lighting in the flats at night seems to support this.

originally posted by: JourneyAbout
I dunno....maybe I'm just getting into a negative funk, but as I look at the government(s) responding to this, I'm getting a really bad feeling. Not even considering how hard our economy is going to crash down with everything closed, the bailout that big companies could get, the number of people that will be on unemployment, etc. As soon as I started hearing that they all might easily agree with sending citizens money to give us a hand....I mean come on....normally you would have to pry that money from their cold dead hands! I just get the feeling that they already know this virus (or something else they are hiding) is going to end us. I mean....why else would they be ok with the fallout of all this? It's like they know it won't matter in the end.

Given the fact that there are still 1.4bn Chinese alive and well, I’d say you’re overreacting slightly.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
Give that man a medal.
Put him in charge immediately.
youtu.be...
twitter.com...

Worth repeating. Reminds me of Ronald Reagan's truthful comment..

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."

Fondation Link
Edit: removed political comment leaving:

...the US will hold, but because of who we are and not the world's jaded perceptions.

Even now, the final toll can barely be guessed at. Yet some things seem certain already. One of them is that the economy in China, where the novel coronavirus was first identified and which for weeks had been the epicentre of the pandemic before it spread overseas, will sustain damage on a historic scale.

SCMP

Mg

Hi
can someone confirm that this actually says

DoD Says Flu Vaccine Makes You Susceptible to Coronavirus:

Bold added by me --

CONCLUSIONS:
Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.

Published by Elsevier Ltd.

This was shown at 4:14 mark in the video by Ben Davidson S0 News Mar.21.2020

Did search back five pages but didn't see it mentioned

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originally posted by: puzzled2
Hi
can someone confirm that this actually says

DoD Says Flu Vaccine Makes You Susceptible to Coronavirus:

Bold added by me --

CONCLUSIONS:
Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.

Published by Elsevier Ltd.

This was shown at 4:14 mark in the video by Ben Davidson S0 News Mar.21.2020

Did search back five pages but didn't see it mentioned

Sourced Here but.....

Don't get a flu shot now!! "Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus" unless you want to take

I'm not going to spead bad or unproven facts...it's there to read now...

Link

Mg

originally posted by: puzzled2
Hi
can someone confirm that this actually says

DoD Says Flu Vaccine Makes You Susceptible to Coronavirus:

Bold added by me --

CONCLUSIONS:
Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.

Published by Elsevier Ltd.

This was shown at 4:14 mark in the video by Ben Davidson S0 News Mar.21.2020

Did search back five pages but didn't see it mentioned

Link broken. Found it in a Google search.. Interesting.

CONCLUSIONS:
Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population.

a reply to: clay2 baraka

Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.

Is that bad? Does it mean a coronavirus infection makes flu vaccines less effective or vice versa? Here's the full text.
www.sciencedirect.com...