Corona Virus Updates Part 4

a reply to: asdfa

Well said. Blame others for lack of preparation, person should have some self-reflection.

originally posted by: celltypespecific

originally posted by: wantsome
So far by the numbers

16 in California
1 in Massachusetts
13 in Washington state (includes the 2 fatalities)
1 in Arizona
3 in Illinois
1 in Wisconsin
2 in Oregon
2 in Rhode Island
1 in New York
2 in Florida

This illness incubates for 2-6 weeks. These are just the people we know about. How many more are infected that we don't know about?

The government knows more then what they're willing to tell us. Trump telling the CDC to cease and desist isn't helping my anxiety over the situation. This administration isn't being transparent with us. I want to hear from the CDC and what they know.

Thanks for the summary!!!

Courtesy of CNN you know the fake news site

a reply to: Waterglass

Maybe, oh I don’t know... viruses don’t care about 5G?

Or 5G setting off a marker is stupid?

Plain logic according to that position says there should be zero cases where there is zero 5G.

And yet there are cases where there is no 5G, especially Iran and now Africa is starting to have to have outbreaks. Nigeria = 100 cases under observation as of Monday morning.

Not a fan of 5G personally but I think this talk of it being the culprit is ridiculous when it’s obvious it can’t be.

originally posted by: SpartanStoic
a reply to: Waterglass

Maybe, oh I don’t know... viruses don’t care about 5G?

Or 5G setting off a marker is stupid?

Plain logic according to that position says there should be zero cases where there is zero 5G.

And yet there are cases where there is no 5G, especially Iran and now Africa is starting to have to have outbreaks. Nigeria = 100 cases under observation as of Monday morning.

Not a fan of 5G personally but I think this talk of it being the culprit is ridiculous when it’s obvious it can’t be.

Not a fan of 5G personally but I think this talk of it being the culprit is ridiculous when it’s obvious it can’t be.

Hi MiM and ATS crew. I'm an expat living in Miyazaki prefecture. I do various things but one of my gigs is teaching elementary school from 8:30-12:30 as a direct employee of the BoE (Board Of Education). Thought I'd chime in and give you another viewpoint of life in Japan. Although I won't go into detail like MiM.

My BoE has closed all schools and for the next 2 weeks we have been told to work out of the City Hall (BoE office). There are 13 of us expats doing this gig in our city and we thought they'd just cut our hours without pay so we're happy about that.

Abe announced his request to close all schools on Thursday and that has sent some panic ripples through society. So toilet roll is now really hard to get. Same for tissues and kitchen roll. Masks have been sold out for weeks. I went to a drug store chain on Saturday and interrogated the checkout girl about toilet paper. She said they had some in the morning at 9am when they opened but it was gone within 20 minutes. She said they also got deliveries every day. So I went up yesterday at 9am and there was already a queue of 30 people. Signs said one packet per person but upon arriving at the checkout she said it was one per family. I promptly disowned my wife - all good.

There is no shortage of anything else and I heard that one big store even had TP during the day today (must have been an afternoon delivery). But the TP didn't even make it to the shelves as people were swiping it off the pallet as it was being wheeled down the aisle, lol.

So Abe's announcement was the trigger for this wave of panic buying. It just goes to show how fast things can move and makes me wonder what the next trigger will be and what the effect will be. Maybe it will be something simple like a drastic surge in infected numbers but Japan doesn't seem to be testing widely like South Korea. I fail to see how the situation can be any better here than in SK but Japanese bureaucracy is incredible slow. My notes tell me that on Feb 27th 35 new cases were detected. In the last 24 hours my numbers went up by 32. There is no way these numbers should be flat-lining at this stage....

Read a report on NHK:

Professor Hiroshi Nishiura of Hokkaido University stated that there could be as many as 940 infected people as of last month across Hokkaido.

940 People have already been infected in Hokkaido

So the next trigger might be a quarantine - most likely on Hokkaido. At that stage I think we'll start to see the next level of panic buying.

Lots of Japanese people are not taking this seriously at all. At a mall at the weekend only 60% were wearing masks. That says a lot for Japan. Talking with my Japanese family and no-one was stocking up, even on toilet paper. As for me I'm up to 60kg in rice, 200 rolls of TP (lol), 60 boxes of tissues and 100 packs of ramen along with loads of pasta sauces, curries and stews. I emptied out a closet and have started stashing there. I also bought an extra 120 liter freezer and will spend the next week or filling it up with meat. At least in this possible apocalypse the electricity should still be flowing for a good amount of time.

Best case scenario I drop a couple of extra grand on supplies (and freezer which was about $250) and I don't need to shop as much for a few months. Worst case scenario my extended family and I will have food and clean backsides. With the stakes being what they are and being able to absorb the cost I believe not taking any action is almost criminally negligent. I'm met with the standard ridicule when I tell people to start thinking what a Wuhan-level quarantine would mean to them. Whatever, I'm not talking about it to anyone else until the rice pallets empty at the supermarkets.

I'm not going full "off-the-grid-doomsday-prepper" but I'm not f##king around anymore. I've been here 22 years and lived through the tsunami, earthquakes and live between two active volcanoes, one of which erupted violently in 2011. I have never "prepped" although I've been an ATS member since about 2009 (can't get other account to work). I've been with you long-timers through it all - Ebola, 2012, that stupid Comet that was going to end the world in 2011 (Elenin, remember that?)....

What I'm saying is this time it's different. And if it's not, well I got a full pantry. No losers in that equation (not counting mankind, our current civilisation, life as we know it etc).

twitter.com...

Authorities in Wuhan have closed the city’s first makeshift hospital after discharging the last batch of 34 recovered coronavirus patients, as the rate of infection in the city has dropped dramatically.

The hospital is one of 16 built across Hubei province to handle the epidemic, in which at least 12,000 people have been treated.

Why would they close it? arent they still building others?
this is completely unexpected

originally posted by: GlobalGold
No similarity at all either in a clean kill vs continually infectious til death either

Not sure what you mean.

Please tell me you aren't now claiming that this virus will infect someone 'continuously' until it kills them...

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Maybe it's cheaper/faster/safer to build a new hospital than it is to disinfect one that has seen hundreds or even thousands of patients come through the doors. I'd have to think every square millimeter of that place is contaminated.
Just a guess.

originally posted by: AlPacino
Hi MiM and ATS crew. I'm an expat living in Miyazaki prefecture. I do various things but one of my gigs is teaching elementary school from 8:30-12:30 as a direct employee of the BoE (Board Of Education). Thought I'd chime in and give you another viewpoint of life in Japan. Although I won't go into detail like MiM.

My BoE has closed all schools and for the next 2 weeks we have been told to work out of the City Hall (BoE office). There are 13 of us expats doing this gig in our city and we thought they'd just cut our hours without pay so we're happy about that.

Abe announced his request to close all schools on Thursday and that has sent some panic ripples through society. So toilet roll is now really hard to get. Same for tissues and kitchen roll. Masks have been sold out for weeks. I went to a drug store chain on Saturday and interrogated the checkout girl about toilet paper. She said they had some in the morning at 9am when they opened but it was gone within 20 minutes. She said they also got deliveries every day. So I went up yesterday at 9am and there was already a queue of 30 people. Signs said one packet per person but upon arriving at the checkout she said it was one per family. I promptly disowned my wife - all good.

There is no shortage of anything else and I heard that one big store even had TP during the day today (must have been an afternoon delivery). But the TP didn't even make it to the shelves as people were swiping it off the pallet as it was being wheeled down the aisle, lol.

So Abe's announcement was the trigger for this wave of panic buying. It just goes to show how fast things can move and makes me wonder what the next trigger will be and what the effect will be. Maybe it will be something simple like a drastic surge in infected numbers but Japan doesn't seem to be testing widely like South Korea. I fail to see how the situation can be any better here than in SK but Japanese bureaucracy is incredible slow. My notes tell me that on Feb 27th 35 new cases were detected. In the last 24 hours my numbers went up by 32. There is no way these numbers should be flat-lining at this stage....

Read a report on NHK:

Professor Hiroshi Nishiura of Hokkaido University stated that there could be as many as 940 infected people as of last month across Hokkaido.

940 People have already been infected in Hokkaido

So the next trigger might be a quarantine - most likely on Hokkaido. At that stage I think we'll start to see the next level of panic buying.

Lots of Japanese people are not taking this seriously at all. At a mall at the weekend only 60% were wearing masks. That says a lot for Japan. Talking with my Japanese family and no-one was stocking up, even on toilet paper. As for me I'm up to 60kg in rice, 200 rolls of TP (lol), 60 boxes of tissues and 100 packs of ramen along with loads of pasta sauces, curries and stews. I emptied out a closet and have started stashing there. I also bought an extra 120 liter freezer and will spend the next week or filling it up with meat. At least in this possible apocalypse the electricity should still be flowing for a good amount of time.

Best case scenario I drop a couple of extra grand on supplies (and freezer which was about $250) and I don't need to shop as much for a few months. Worst case scenario my extended family and I will have food and clean backsides.

With the stakes being what they are and being able to absorb the cost I believe not taking any action is almost criminally negligent. I'm met with the standard ridicule when I tell people to start thinking what a Wuhan-level quarantine would mean to them. Whatever, I'm not talking about it to anyone else until the rice pallets empty at the supermarkets.

I'm not going full "off-the-grid-doomsday-prepper" but I'm not f##king around anymore. I've been here 22 years and lived through the tsunami, earthquakes and live between two active volcanoes, one of which erupted violently in 2011. I have never "prepped" although I've been an ATS member since about 2009 (can't get other account to work). I've been with you long-timers through it all - Ebola, 2012, that stupid Comet that was going to end the world in 2011 (Elenin, remember that?)....

What I'm saying is this time it's different. And if it's not, well I got a full pantry. No losers in that equation (not counting mankind, our current civilisation, life as we know it etc).

Hey thanks. My wife too is in the line of teaching. No income now coming in. Our pantry is not yet full, due to the fact that we have to wait till SS comes in tomorrow or soon. So far, only on store was out of rice. I didn't want to take a picture of it in that store since I know the security is real tough and it is true, I could very well be carted off.
My opinion varies upon different locations here in Japan, but I can see we are on the same page. Since you probably listen to the day time news cast, which is much more in detail, my wife translates it for me. I've posted stuff about it, but people here want it in writing, I guess i can take pictures of the tv screen to back up what I post here, but..

Anyway, this situation here in Japan , we just have to ride it out for the next 4 months and see what happens.
If it is anything like the tourist / hotel business, I'm going to continue on buying can goods. I have notice that the buyers are shining away from Thai can fish foods. But I expect that to change very soon. For me, I don't see a problem buying what is in stock at the moment, 30 days from now, well, I take out my fishing pole . Glad someone else here in Japan is now posting. Thanks. We are up in age and stress can and will take its toll, be careful and have games for the kids.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: GlobalGold
No similarity at all either in a clean kill vs continually infectious til death either

Not sure what you mean.

Please tell me you aren't now claiming that this virus will infect someone 'continuously' until it kills them...

NO.

Original post that is no longer part of this conversation was your saying auto accidents kill more people than the virus - which is true at the moment. My comment was that, if someone is killed by a car, they suffer on their own until they die. However, someone that dies from the virus, has the capability to infect many others on their way to the grave, which can take weeks.

a reply to: SpartanStoic

That's why I posted that map. But if you dig deeper all of those cruise ships with multiple sick people have 5G. Look into it as this isn't over and done just yet.

As Belgium infections jump to 8,
authorities say we need not worry, meanwhile they are locking people up in their homes. They are not just telling them to stay inside, which at this point the average person would gladly do, they are sealing their houses!

“Their homes will be hermetically sealed, only things will be delivered. Quarantine is a high wall that prevents you from getting out, and someone else from getting in,”

www.brusselstimes.com... hina-covid-19/

Wow... were ever you go, they've sold out of toilet paper.
This virus really gives you the $hits

No problem buying pet food though, hope everyone is considering their pets.

originally posted by: GlobalGold
My comment was that, if someone is killed by a car, they suffer on their own until they die. However, someone that dies from the virus, has the capability to infect many others on their way to the grave, which can take weeks.

Ah, ok, makes sense now.

It's a good thing this virus is, apparently, after the initial shock to the system with much higher risk/death percentages (being common to new viruses), going to devolve to something more like the common flu, so, just another thing to 'worry' about, like the cold and the flu.

Of course, we won't know, until we know. I for one am 100% against tossing our Constitution in the trash can out of 'fear of the unknown'. If this thing turns into a 4 stage monster that has the potential to kill large numbers of people, then we can talk about 'drastic measures' that would devastate the worlds economy beyond what is already happening.

originally posted by: Chance321
Noticed this from my state the socialist republic of NY: cuomo confirms the first coronavirus in NY. I just wish they would give you a better idea of where it is in the state.

www.wktv.com...

"This evening we learned of the first positive case of novel coronavirus — or COVID-19 — in New York State. The patient, a woman in her late thirties, contracted the virus while traveling abroad in Iran, and is currently isolated in her home. The patient has respiratory symptoms, but is not in serious condition and has been in a controlled situation since arriving to New York. "The positive test was confirmed by New York's Wadsworth Lab in Albany, underscoring the importance of the ability for our state to ensure efficient and rapid turnaround, and is exactly why I advocated for the approval from Vice President Pence that New York was granted just yesterday.

Can people even have a discussion in this thread without using ignorant words like libtards and socialist republic ?
If you hate New York move to Alabama.

Up to 40 in the UK now.

Link

No mention of locations yet, up from 36 yesterday.

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
a reply to: tanstaafl
If the CDC was run by true scientists and not partisan political Bureaucrats we might have stood a chance at the beginning of this.

Agreed. They maybe could have contained it like they did SARS or MERS, but it is too late for that.

Now, we hunker down, and ride it out. Hopefully I'm right and it won't be too bad for the vast majority.

And again - this doesn't mean it isn't going to be bad for some people. My Mom is in the highest risk category - she's over 80, and has had 2 heart attacks. But, she is smart, and and is listening to me, so hopefully she will be ok, and my best wishes go out to anyone in similar circumstances.

originally posted by: tarifa37
Here is a question. If you are vaping and you have Corona will the virus get into the mist droplets so when you exhale a huge cloud of vape and other people around you breathe it in will they be infected ?

They way I'd go about it, is imagine a cloud of 'vape' coming from everybody. That is what's happening, but the droplets are far smaller so you can't see them. So everyone is breathing out these droplets, vaping or not. If you've ever been camping or played with a balloon by repeatedly inflating it, you will find the insides get very wet, very quickly. Quite surprising just how much moisture/vapour you exhale.

There are arguments for and against whether Vapers would transmit more:

On one hand, they may be more likely to get infected if their lungs are more compromised and open to infection, plus repeatedly putting this thing to their mouths is a great way to get infected. On the other, with larger droplets being exhaled, the virus would drop out of the air far quicker, and there's even the possibility that the chemicals in the Vape hinder or kill the virus.

If they are Vaping anything naughty, then you never know, it might give the virus the munchies and make it far more virulent. On the other hand the virus might be to busy considering space and time, and completely forget they were supposed to be infecting people.

Just having a bit of fun with the last one...

originally posted by: AlPacino
Hi MiM and ATS crew. I'm an expat living in Miyazaki prefecture. I do various things but one of my gigs is teaching elementary school from 8:30-12:30 as a direct employee of the BoE (Board Of Education). Thought I'd chime in and give you another viewpoint of life in Japan. Although I won't go into detail like MiM.

My BoE has closed all schools and for the next 2 weeks we have been told to work out of the City Hall (BoE office). There are 13 of us expats doing this gig in our city and we thought they'd just cut our hours without pay so we're happy about that.

Abe announced his request to close all schools on Thursday and that has sent some panic ripples through society. So toilet roll is now really hard to get. Same for tissues and kitchen roll. Masks have been sold out for weeks. I went to a drug store chain on Saturday and interrogated the checkout girl about toilet paper. She said they had some in the morning at 9am when they opened but it was gone within 20 minutes. She said they also got deliveries every day. So I went up yesterday at 9am and there was already a queue of 30 people. Signs said one packet per person but upon arriving at the checkout she said it was one per family. I promptly disowned my wife - all good.

There is no shortage of anything else and I heard that one big store even had TP during the day today (must have been an afternoon delivery). But the TP didn't even make it to the shelves as people were swiping it off the pallet as it was being wheeled down the aisle, lol.

So Abe's announcement was the trigger for this wave of panic buying. It just goes to show how fast things can move and makes me wonder what the next trigger will be and what the effect will be. Maybe it will be something simple like a drastic surge in infected numbers but Japan doesn't seem to be testing widely like South Korea. I fail to see how the situation can be any better here than in SK but Japanese bureaucracy is incredible slow. My notes tell me that on Feb 27th 35 new cases were detected. In the last 24 hours my numbers went up by 32. There is no way these numbers should be flat-lining at this stage....

Read a report on NHK:

Professor Hiroshi Nishiura of Hokkaido University stated that there could be as many as 940 infected people as of last month across Hokkaido.

940 People have already been infected in Hokkaido

So the next trigger might be a quarantine - most likely on Hokkaido. At that stage I think we'll start to see the next level of panic buying.

Lots of Japanese people are not taking this seriously at all. At a mall at the weekend only 60% were wearing masks. That says a lot for Japan. Talking with my Japanese family and no-one was stocking up, even on toilet paper. As for me I'm up to 60kg in rice, 200 rolls of TP (lol), 60 boxes of tissues and 100 packs of ramen along with loads of pasta sauces, curries and stews. I emptied out a closet and have started stashing there. I also bought an extra 120 liter freezer and will spend the next week or filling it up with meat. At least in this possible apocalypse the electricity should still be flowing for a good amount of time.

Best case scenario I drop a couple of extra grand on supplies (and freezer which was about $250) and I don't need to shop as much for a few months. Worst case scenario my extended family and I will have food and clean backsides.

With the stakes being what they are and being able to absorb the cost I believe not taking any action is almost criminally negligent. I'm met with the standard ridicule when I tell people to start thinking what a Wuhan-level quarantine would mean to them. Whatever, I'm not talking about it to anyone else until the rice pallets empty at the supermarkets.

I'm not going full "off-the-grid-doomsday-prepper" but I'm not f##king around anymore. I've been here 22 years and lived through the tsunami, earthquakes and live between two active volcanoes, one of which erupted violently in 2011. I have never "prepped" although I've been an ATS member since about 2009 (can't get other account to work). I've been with you long-timers through it all - Ebola, 2012, that stupid Comet that was going to end the world in 2011 (Elenin, remember that?)....

What I'm saying is this time it's different. And if it's not, well I got a full pantry. No losers in that equation (not counting mankind, our current civilisation, life as we know it etc).

I thought everyone in Japan had one of those high tech toilets that spray water at your ass so you don't need toilet paper ? This type of toilet is perfect in a pandemic.

originally posted by: pasiphae
I'm wondering what many of you think will happen. Lots of people stocking up on food...... is that because some of us might wind up on home quarantine? If you don't think cities will be locked down are we just stocking up in case we're told to stay home?

Since you're asking, my worst case scenario for this thing is...

Lots of people get infected, some die, panic ensues, more die from the panic than the virus.

What does that mean, or look like real world? I don't know.

So, I'm stocking up on food due to simple uncertainty. First and foremost, the main thing I'm concerned about is interruptions in supply chains. If lots of people get sick, that includes truck drivers. How do you think grocery stores get stocked?

If entire cities go on lockdown, food will be even harder to come by.

I have no clue how long before the situation resolves, and hopefully we don't devolve into a V For Vendetta style dictatorship before that happens.