Corona Virus Updates Part 4

France will impose measures to try and contain the spread of coronavirus including closing schools, postponing non-essential medical procedures and advising elderly people to stay at home, according to French President Emmanuel Macron.

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originally posted by: pasiphae

originally posted by: ShortBus
Research on how long the Corona Virus lives from Colorado...

www.kansascity.com...

Scientists found the virus remained viable for up to three hours in the air, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel, according to the study.

Well there ya have it. Airborne. We all need hazmat suits. I've been telling my husband since January it was airborne but no one wanted to admit it because that is BAD. Everyone who was picking on that person a few pages back for posting doom porn.... this lines up with what they said.

I explained in thread 2 that coronavirus has capability to be airborne due to its .1 micron particle size. While typically droplet transmitted due to being mixed with mucous the virus is indeed airborne capable.
I was met with some resistance and some agreement

originally posted by: butcherguy
Pennsylvania Governor Wolf just shut down a county (neighboring my county) in PA, Montgomery County.

Governor Tom Wolf said the state will begin to take further steps to prevent the spread of the coronavirus on Friday, including shutting down all schools and other venues in Montgomery County. All schools, child care centers, community centers, gyms, and entertainment venues will be closed in Montgomery County starting Friday. The closures will be in effect for fourteen days. The county has over half of the presumptive cases of the virus in the state. Adult day care centers will be closed. A no visitor policy will be implemented for correctional facilities, nursing homes, and others to be evaluated. Essential services such as police, fire, emergency medical services, and essential services for vulnerable populations will remain. Supermarkets, pharmacies, and gas stations will remain open. Wolf recommended that non-essential retail facilities close. AMTRAK will begin operating a reduced schedule and the Ardmore stop will close to AMTRAK trains for two weeks, beginning Friday. The Wolf Administration is also working directly with SEPTA to evaluate potential impacts and will continue to provide service updates as things evolve.

WFMZ

I wish this was Boris saying this 😒

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Willyblake
By now I think the best would be to shut the world into quarantine for at least two months. Of course economy will take a great hit. But I don't see any other way around for this thing to stop anytime soon. They chose markets over people many weeks ago, and now they're losing both.

-sigh-

It cannot be stopped. You might as well try to stop the wind blowing.

All shutting down the economy will do is result in many more deaths.

We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.

It isn't Ebola. It is a virus. It can make you sick. It can cause life-threatening problems for those with serious underlying health conditions - just like the flu can.

That is all.

and again - no, I'm not saying it is a joke, or isn't serious. I'm saying it is what it is, and, just like the flu, we should educate, and deal with it, sans the fear and panic and economy destroying hysteria.

Ebola is a virus. The difference is that it’s not a respiratory virus so spread is much more difficult. Obviously mortality is much different but that wasn’t the best example

We are going to have a real hard time of it if they put real restrictions in place in the US. The younger generation just does not care about anyone but themselves. Sad to see.

I just saw this comment over on one of the Fox News stories.

"If this doesn't get the weak and elderly, something else will. I'm not missing out on life so they can squeeze a few extra years out at the end."

Just sick...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: CuriousUk
a reply to: Willyblake
There is no stop to this, unless a vaccine is created.

A vaccine will not stop it. The CDC states that even when they get the flu vaccine right (the right strain for what is going around), it is only 40-60% effective. When they get it wrong, it is, obviously, much less than that (0?)...

There’s Hep A, B, and E vaccines. MMR vaccines. Polio vaccines.
They CAN create a successful vaccine. It will just take time. Being it’s an ADE virus they’ll probably end up with some S protein based vaccine to combat the effects

a reply to: Agit8dChop

bnonews.com...

Cases Deaths Serious Critical Recovered
135,306 /4,966 /5,822 /63 /68,344

originally posted by: MrRCflying
We are going to have a real hard time of it if they put real restrictions in place in the US. The younger generation just does not care about anyone but themselves. Sad to see.

I just saw this comment over on one of the Fox News stories.

"If this doesn't get the weak and elderly, something else will. I'm not missing out on life so they can squeeze a few extra years out at the end."

Just sick...

The same goes for the elderly. They are the most problematic in Italy. Even after quarantine the streets and bars were full of elderly people. They just ignore everything and spread the virus and they are the ones that are in danger of dying from this virus. This week police finally started to fine them and the situation got a little better.

It's hard to convince someone who lived a free life for decades that he/she has to stay home for a few months and be careful.

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WZTV) — UPDATE: (3/12/20)

There are now 18 confirmed cases of novel coronavirus in Tennessee and Gov. Bill Lee has declared a state of emergency to help fight the virus.

Of those, six cases are from Nashville/Davidson County and eight are from Williamson County. There are now two confirmed cases from Shelby County in West Tennessee and two cases from East Tennessee in Knox and Sullivan counties.

FOX 17 News has learned that a healthcare provider at Vanderbilt University Medical Center has tested positive for COVID-19.

The state announced they will now be providing updated case numbers each day at 2 p.m.

Several schools have closes for deep cleaning and local hospitals, nursing homes and Tennessee prisons are no longer accepting visitors.

In Nashville, the virus has hit the city in the wallet, with more than 53,000 hotel cancellations representing approximately $25.7 million in direct spending.

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: odd1out

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: odd1out
I didn't feel insulted at all.

Glad to hear it, and apologies regardless.

You can't say we have to protect those at risk without making serious concessions that are going to negatively affect the economy.

My point is there is no need to isolate/quarantine everyone, to protect them (the at risk). You quarantine/isolate the at risk. This could be accomplished without the huge repercussions in the market that come from major disruptions in an already tenuous business environment (due to major supply chain disruptions).

Here is one thing you have said that strikes me as a very simple and effective idea. I mean that...it makes perfect sense.
Probably why it never occurred to me =)

It can only mean a few things...Its too simple for the brightest minds to have come up with... There's something we don't know about COV, hence the extreme reaction... There's another reason altogether that panic level decisions seem to be being made on an international level... Or probably a hundred other possibilities.

Man, this is a TOUGH scenario for me and many people I know to come off the fence on...

This is the tactic that my family is taking. It is tough though because it requires others to be isolated to take care of them, and they need to have very little to no contact with anyone else. Otherwise, it is pointless.

My mother is 85, multiple health conditions, and just had a medical procedure done on Tuesday. She is staying with us for the foreseeable future.

I am doing my best to protect her, and the rest of us as well, because, let's be honest, none of us wants to be sick for a month.

Tomorrow is the last day I am allowing my kids to go to school. We will be isolated for at least 2 weeks to see what is going to happen. No one in, no one out. We are well prepared to stay in isolation longer if needed.

Likewise. go lock down 2pm tomorrow for as long as possible. Prepped for 2 months. Will get some extra items in the morning then lock the doors and windows.

a reply to: Brick17

Agree with you.. I felt like the press conference cleared a lot of my misgivings about him up and I understand why they are holding out as long as possible to go in to lockdown. He was very honest, and his opening was very sobering..

"Some people compare it to seasonal flu, alas that is not right. Owing to the lack of immunity, this disease is more dangerous.
"It is going to spread further and I must level with you, I must level with the British public, many more families are going to lose loved ones before their time."

originally posted by: FinallyAwake

originally posted by: butcherguy
Pennsylvania Governor Wolf just shut down a county (neighboring my county) in PA, Montgomery County.

Governor Tom Wolf said the state will begin to take further steps to prevent the spread of the coronavirus on Friday, including shutting down all schools and other venues in Montgomery County. All schools, child care centers, community centers, gyms, and entertainment venues will be closed in Montgomery County starting Friday. The closures will be in effect for fourteen days. The county has over half of the presumptive cases of the virus in the state. Adult day care centers will be closed. A no visitor policy will be implemented for correctional facilities, nursing homes, and others to be evaluated. Essential services such as police, fire, emergency medical services, and essential services for vulnerable populations will remain. Supermarkets, pharmacies, and gas stations will remain open. Wolf recommended that non-essential retail facilities close. AMTRAK will begin operating a reduced schedule and the Ardmore stop will close to AMTRAK trains for two weeks, beginning Friday. The Wolf Administration is also working directly with SEPTA to evaluate potential impacts and will continue to provide service updates as things evolve.

WFMZ

I wish this was Boris saying this 😒

Not be long when the London numbers are clearer and they soon will be. London is where you don t want to be.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: odd1out

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: odd1out
I didn't feel insulted at all.

Glad to hear it, and apologies regardless.

You can't say we have to protect those at risk without making serious concessions that are going to negatively affect the economy.

My point is there is no need to isolate/quarantine everyone, to protect them (the at risk). You quarantine/isolate the at risk. This could be accomplished without the huge repercussions in the market that come from major disruptions in an already tenuous business environment (due to major supply chain disruptions).

Here is one thing you have said that strikes me as a very simple and effective idea. I mean that...it makes perfect sense.
Probably why it never occurred to me =)

It can only mean a few things...Its too simple for the brightest minds to have come up with... There's something we don't know about COV, hence the extreme reaction... There's another reason altogether that panic level decisions seem to be being made on an international level... Or probably a hundred other possibilities.

Man, this is a TOUGH scenario for me and many people I know to come off the fence on...

This is the tactic that my family is taking. It is tough though because it requires others to be isolated to take care of them, and they need to have very little to no contact with anyone else. Otherwise, it is pointless.

My mother is 85, multiple health conditions, and just had a medical procedure done on Tuesday. She is staying with us for the foreseeable future.

I am doing my best to protect her, and the rest of us as well, because, let's be honest, none of us wants to be sick for a month.

Tomorrow is the last day I am allowing my kids to go to school. We will be isolated for at least 2 weeks to see what is going to happen. No one in, no one out. We are well prepared to stay in isolation longer if needed.

Likewise. go lock down 2pm tomorrow for as long as possible. Prepped for 2 months. Will get some extra items in the morning then lock the doors and windows.

We are prepared for 6 months if needed. The two weeks is just to see which way things go. I certainly hope and pray that it turns around in that time.

Luckily we are quite rural, so I am still allowing the kids outside. Just no contact with anyone.

originally posted by: liejunkie01

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ARM1968
Not real like in Italy then, where it’s WAY higher? Or do we only focus in the numbers that fit our narrative?

I already acknowledged Italy is an anomaly, but...

Isn't their average age of deaths still at 81? 81.

Obviously, they screwed the pooch and this thing hit their old age community hard. It is bad, sad, and tragic.

But it still isn't Ebola, and still isn't worth destroying the worlds economy trying to stop the inevitable spread.

It is loose. It is everywhere. now we deal with it. The question is - will we allow far more to die from extreme self-destructive measures that simply aren't going to do much? It is looking like it.

Will you just please stop already?

Damn, clogging up the thread with the same old worn out sayings.

It has tanked, we are tanking, it is self destructing by the minute.

Somebody already pushed the button and you haven't caught on yet.

Just please stop.

I’ve replied to a few of his posts. I feel like maybe I’m reading into his comments differently than some
What I’ve taken. And can somewhat agree with is that we’ve got major entities ceasing all operations. We’ve got people talking about effectively shutting down modern life and economy
For a virus that no matter what steps are taken is already out of the bag.
What these further steps may do is slow the roll out and allow healthcare professionals to keep up better, but I doubt it significantly impacts the overall transmission of the virus to the masses

The virus isn’t what’s going to crutch us. It’s all the other events unfolding due to the reaction to the virus
They’ve got their mindset and opinions like many others and there’s a dozen voices sharing the same mindset maybe they just feel the need to be repetitious to balance out the opinions

Idk. Just my useless 2 cents

www.kmbc.com...

KANSAS CITY, Mo. —
Note: Kansas City, Missouri health officials have issued a state of emergency for 21 days that bans any event with more than 1,000 attendees. That stretch runs through April 2.

AT least they seem to be playing it smarter with 21 days instead of 14.

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: liejunkie01

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ARM1968
Not real like in Italy then, where it’s WAY higher? Or do we only focus in the numbers that fit our narrative?

I already acknowledged Italy is an anomaly, but...

Isn't their average age of deaths still at 81? 81.

Obviously, they screwed the pooch and this thing hit their old age community hard. It is bad, sad, and tragic.

But it still isn't Ebola, and still isn't worth destroying the worlds economy trying to stop the inevitable spread.

It is loose. It is everywhere. now we deal with it. The question is - will we allow far more to die from extreme self-destructive measures that simply aren't going to do much? It is looking like it.

Will you just please stop already?

Damn, clogging up the thread with the same old worn out sayings.

It has tanked, we are tanking, it is self destructing by the minute.

Somebody already pushed the button and you haven't caught on yet.

Just please stop.

I’ve replied to a few of his posts. I feel like maybe I’m reading into his comments differently than some
What I’ve taken. And can somewhat agree with is that we’ve got major entities ceasing all operations. We’ve got people talking about effectively shutting down modern life and economy
For a virus that no matter what steps are taken is already out of the bag.
What these further steps may do is slow the roll out and allow healthcare professionals to keep up better, but I doubt it significantly impacts the overall transmission of the virus to the masses

The virus isn’t what’s going to crutch us. It’s all the other events unfolding due to the reaction to the virus
They’ve got their mindset and opinions like many others and there’s a dozen voices sharing the same mindset maybe they just feel the need to be repetitious to balance out the opinions

Idk. Just my useless 2 cents

The real question is which will hurt the economy and people more? Shutting things down to slow the spread, which is what we are seeing. Or continue on, let it spread and crush the health care system.

I think the latter would be more troublesome. If hospitals can't keep up with the incoming ill, more people will die because they are being turned away. More people will not be able to work.

Either way, the economy gets hit. I think the lesser of the two evils is to take the hit up front, try to bring down the curve as they say.

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: odd1out

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: odd1out
I didn't feel insulted at all.

Glad to hear it, and apologies regardless.

You can't say we have to protect those at risk without making serious concessions that are going to negatively affect the economy.

My point is there is no need to isolate/quarantine everyone, to protect them (the at risk). You quarantine/isolate the at risk. This could be accomplished without the huge repercussions in the market that come from major disruptions in an already tenuous business environment (due to major supply chain disruptions).

Here is one thing you have said that strikes me as a very simple and effective idea. I mean that...it makes perfect sense.
Probably why it never occurred to me =)

It can only mean a few things...Its too simple for the brightest minds to have come up with... There's something we don't know about COV, hence the extreme reaction... There's another reason altogether that panic level decisions seem to be being made on an international level... Or probably a hundred other possibilities.

Man, this is a TOUGH scenario for me and many people I know to come off the fence on...

This is the tactic that my family is taking. It is tough though because it requires others to be isolated to take care of them, and they need to have very little to no contact with anyone else. Otherwise, it is pointless.

My mother is 85, multiple health conditions, and just had a medical procedure done on Tuesday. She is staying with us for the foreseeable future.

I am doing my best to protect her, and the rest of us as well, because, let's be honest, none of us wants to be sick for a month.

Tomorrow is the last day I am allowing my kids to go to school. We will be isolated for at least 2 weeks to see what is going to happen. No one in, no one out. We are well prepared to stay in isolation longer if needed.

Likewise. go lock down 2pm tomorrow for as long as possible. Prepped for 2 months. Will get some extra items in the morning then lock the doors and windows.

We are prepared for 6 months if needed. The two weeks is just to see which way things go. I certainly hope and pray that it turns around in that time.

Luckily we are quite rural, so I am still allowing the kids outside. Just no contact with anyone.

Watch the post for contamination. We, wife and 12 & 14 years kids are in a sea town on the Costa Blanca Spain. We could possibly stretch to 3 months without going out. Wife is a wizard with food. Kids school closes tomorrow 2pm. Good luck stay in touch

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: liejunkie01

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ARM1968
Not real like in Italy then, where it’s WAY higher? Or do we only focus in the numbers that fit our narrative?

I already acknowledged Italy is an anomaly, but...

Isn't their average age of deaths still at 81? 81.

Obviously, they screwed the pooch and this thing hit their old age community hard. It is bad, sad, and tragic.

But it still isn't Ebola, and still isn't worth destroying the worlds economy trying to stop the inevitable spread.

It is loose. It is everywhere. now we deal with it. The question is - will we allow far more to die from extreme self-destructive measures that simply aren't going to do much? It is looking like it.

Will you just please stop already?

Damn, clogging up the thread with the same old worn out sayings.

It has tanked, we are tanking, it is self destructing by the minute.

Somebody already pushed the button and you haven't caught on yet.

Just please stop.

I’ve replied to a few of his posts. I feel like maybe I’m reading into his comments differently than some
What I’ve taken. And can somewhat agree with is that we’ve got major entities ceasing all operations. We’ve got people talking about effectively shutting down modern life and economy
For a virus that no matter what steps are taken is already out of the bag.
What these further steps may do is slow the roll out and allow healthcare professionals to keep up better, but I doubt it significantly impacts the overall transmission of the virus to the masses

The virus isn’t what’s going to crutch us. It’s all the other events unfolding due to the reaction to the virus
They’ve got their mindset and opinions like many others and there’s a dozen voices sharing the same mindset maybe they just feel the need to be repetitious to balance out the opinions

Idk. Just my useless 2 cents

The real question is which will hurt the economy and people more? Shutting things down to slow the spread, which is what we are seeing. Or continue on, let it spread and crush the health care system.

I think the latter would be more troublesome. If hospitals can't keep up with the incoming ill, more people will die because they are being turned away. More people will not be able to work.

Either way, the economy gets hit. I think the lesser of the two evils is to take the hit up front, try to bring down the curve as they say.

Agreed. Less worry about economy. More worry about the human aspect

Instead we throw 1.5 trillion into Wall Street , which was immediately gobbled up and lost. But we can’t test more than a few thousand people a day or ensure we have the medical supplies and manpower needed to treat

Damn the stock market dived even with all the help being thrown at it .

Buckle up people .

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