Corona Virus Updates Part 3

originally posted by: Asgaard
Italy has reached the 400's. Meanwhile, Japan is lagging at 178 even though it had confirmed cases a lot earlier. What might be the factor here? Obviously response time is critical, but still, there must be something else, right?

Yeah...its called the olympics...

originally posted by: 38181
a reply to: musicismagic

Thanks for all of your updates, much appreciated. I know an old friend of mind currently in Iwakuni, I asked him about the virus and how that is affecting him, and the area he’s in . He basically said nothing is going on and not to believe the media, that it’s overhyped. I was rather shocked he said that. How far away are you from iwakuni?

Its just a bit north of me. We get to hear the plans coming in from Okinawa or other places that head up north. Possible to Yokota Air Base in Tokyo . Hard to imagine after last nights news what he said. Did he realize 2 major concerts were canceled at the last moment and left people on the streets of the entry to shows. Its serious people . When the govt. starts using the word "clusters", I feel they are up front with us now. Before, not so much.

looks like some breaking news

a reply to: asdfa

Testing doesn't really accomplish much except getting the numbers right

I have to completely disagree.

Testing will allow a proper diagnosis for the patient. If we are supposed to trust the very people that are supposed to take care of us(healthcare) then a straightforward answer is the way to go.

If it came down to telling me the truth or lying to keep me having a job all to keep slaving for the system. I choose the truth and so should everyone else. It all can be repaired, the stock market and jobs. What I think cant be repaired is confidence in the system. And let's face it that is pretty slim right now for some of us.

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow
Sorry if already posted but this looks highly suspicious.
$425M in World Bank catastrophe bonds set to default if coronavirus declared a pandemic by June.

In 2017, the World Bank designed a new way to raise money: Pandemic Emergency Financing bonds. Over $425 million worth of such bonds, which bet against a global outbreak of infectious diseases and will default if WHO declares the coronavirus a pandemic, were sold by the World Bank in its first-ever issuance of catastrophe bonds. In the event of no pandemic, investors would be paid a healthy annualized return. Meanwhile, the World Bank could use the bonds to insure itself against the risk of a global outbreak.

Wash Examiner

What...??? And the WHO won't declare a pandemic...

a reply to: asdfa

Okay I’ll bite. So you’re not for testing, where then might we start? I’m no medical professional and agree “Schroedingers infected cat is out the bag”...

So what to do?

I’ve got some tiddly-winks if you wanna play.
Promise to wash my hands...

a reply to: liejunkie01

YES. A baseline (?) is a decent place to start, no?

originally posted by: celltypespecific

originally posted by: Asgaard
Italy has reached the 400's. Meanwhile, Japan is lagging at 178 even though it had confirmed cases a lot earlier. What might be the factor here? Obviously response time is critical, but still, there must be something else, right?

Yeah...its called the olympics...

They are not going to be holding out much longer on that. I think the reason so far is that most of the people for the Olympics are young and have dreams. Still giving them dreams. I think it starts on May 5 th of something like that. You got to read the writing on the wall today. We are not even having the largest rock concerts of the year, they at the last moment when the concert goers are at the door, then they announce the cancellation. Maybe not. Would ruin their reputation I would think.

originally posted by: liejunkie01
a reply to: asdfa

Testing doesn't really accomplish much except getting the numbers right

I have to completely disagree.

Testing will allow a proper diagnosis for the patient. If we are supposed to trust the very people that are supposed to take care of us(healthcare) then a straightforward answer is the way to go.

If it came down to telling me the truth or lying to keep me having a job all to keep slaving for the system. I choose the truth and so should everyone else. It all can be repaired, the stock market and jobs. What I think cant be repaired is confidence in the system. And let's face it that is pretty slim right now for some of us.

Talking to the chemist yesterday we got chatting about the kungflu and he told me they had all been informed of possible complications, he didn't say much more as the pharmacist shot him a look and conversation promptly ended, pretty sure he blurted it out unintionally.

originally posted by: rom12345
looks like some breaking news

is it live now? won't work?

a reply to: musicismagic
live in 67 minutes

a reply to: EndtheMadnessNow

You can be sure Trump will pump the markets tonight at 6pm. He doesn't like to see stocks go down. Whatever he says will be spun positively. But I doubt schools will open after spring break in Canada after more cases are found. People here are starting to prep I saw several people buying the stuff I usually buy. The local media has been telling everyone to start preparing so a run on items will occur before long. How will the Dollar store restock items from China I have no idea. So far there is everything, only masks are out of stock.

Possible Antiviral drug identified in Canada by scientist Michel Chretien, brother or former Canada PM Jean Chretien.

The 84-year-old Chrétien was, for a time, the world’s seventh most cited scientist. His name runs atop more than 600 publications and he proudly affixes an Order of Canada pin to his lapel.

The substance is called quercetin and you can buy it at your natural product store. You need to take high doses. There is almost no money to be made by pharmaceutical on this product. He was searching financing earlier this week. He got it.

This substance has shown efficiency against Ebola Dengue H1N1,

The Canadian and Chinese scientists would collaborate on the trials, which would include about 1,000 test patients

It target ACE2 receptors and was successfuly tested agains multiple virus, including sars

Maclean’s

More complete article here in french


La Presse

Scientific article about ACE 2 and quercetin. Journal of virology.

Small Molecules Blocking the Entry of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus into Host Cells

Let’s say this substance reduce infection by 20% ( blocking virus entry) , it may be enough have you go thru it...

originally posted by: celltypespecific

originally posted by: Cmajlz

originally posted by: ragiusnotiel

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: ragiusnotiel

I bet tonight's speech will be BS... stocks/economy may be Trump's achilles heal. If he downplays the seriousness of this outbreak tonight to try to help markets then he will likely fall on his sword when the truth comes out and it truly does affect our domestic economy in a bigger way

Not trying to make this political, just looking at Trump's history and in times like this we need leaders who are not afraid to tell it like it is to help raise awareness. In many other ways Trump might "tell it like it is" but not if stocks are part of the discussion IMO

Not to sound like a broken record, but CNN (lol) is saying the press conference tonight is for them to announce their plans of action. CDC lady was added hours after.

I think Trump realizes he'll lose the election if this isn't handled correctly, we will see.

American voters have very short memory spans. This is too far from the election to have much of an impact on the election results. Once this starts dying down voters will forget because it is not import any more to them. Now if the country experiences civil disobedience, recession, etc that will impact the election but any connection to the virus will be forgotten. They will be different issues for the American voters.

If its anything like what happened in china we are entering a different paradigm.

Corona could be literally like 9/11

Remember there was pre 9/11 and post 9/11

This is what has occurred in China as we speak.

We could be facing the same thing.

I agree with you but how do we turn the post virus era into something positive? Does our disease surveillance system need improved and number diseases expanded? Does our medical education need improved? What capacity do we need as a country to produce certain critical drugs in this country? What capacity does this country need to have to handle the next epidemic and how to pay for it as it sits idle? The focus should be on the next epidemic as much as it is for the current. If we only look at the current we will repeat it all over again when the next epidemic hits in 5 years or whenever.

a reply to: slatesteam No apology needed my friend! I didnt mean to come across as rude or anything like that so it's me who should apologize if I did. Ive read every post as well and have been glued to ATS since January 26th, its one of the few perks of being unemployed Also I agree with you that this place is "the" best place to gather and sort through information and bounce ideas off of each other as we all do our best to sort through the BS.

originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: rom12345
looks like some breaking news

is it live now? won't work?

I just checked and it's just an alert about the 6 p.m. broadcast coming.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Asgaard
Italy has reached the 400's. Meanwhile, Japan is lagging at 178 even though it had confirmed cases a lot earlier. What might be the factor here? Obviously response time is critical, but still, there must be something else, right?

I wonder if it isn't just related to the people that are doing the counting?
Some might be hiding numbers, but probably more connected to who and how they are testing.

Actually here we are not testing, and if testing, one must go to a special city health clinic (may differ upon location). So for low numbers that you are seeing, them numbers are NOT misleading. All positive testing go through a channel here for an update with the Ministry of Health. It gets a bit more complicated now because Japan has a lot of rural space and the medical system is even none existence in many areas. One may have to travel a very long distance just to find a clinic.

If this all blows over, hell even if it doesn't, there's going to be some great SCI-FIs to come out of this.

I thought of one. Big Pharma decide to create a fast mutating air-borne AIDS. Incurable, but you can take a special antiviral to continue to live. Only said Big Pharma has the knowledge of how this virus will mutate and are therefore the only ones who can produce the antiviral. The whole world is now enslaved by Big Pharma.

There's no kingpin. Corporations have essentially become a headless life form. They chase profit, devour each other, breed with one another, war with one another. Expendable CEOs please the expendable board, who in turn pleases the expendable Shareholders. Man's greed is its own chains, and condemns man to serve as the organs and putrid blood of the beast as it expands into space, chasing evermore profit, evermore conquests. Morality, humanity, never a consideration.

originally posted by: Cmajlz

originally posted by: celltypespecific

originally posted by: Cmajlz

originally posted by: ragiusnotiel

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: ragiusnotiel

I bet tonight's speech will be BS... stocks/economy may be Trump's achilles heal. If he downplays the seriousness of this outbreak tonight to try to help markets then he will likely fall on his sword when the truth comes out and it truly does affect our domestic economy in a bigger way

Not trying to make this political, just looking at Trump's history and in times like this we need leaders who are not afraid to tell it like it is to help raise awareness. In many other ways Trump might "tell it like it is" but not if stocks are part of the discussion IMO

Not to sound like a broken record, but CNN (lol) is saying the press conference tonight is for them to announce their plans of action. CDC lady was added hours after.

I think Trump realizes he'll lose the election if this isn't handled correctly, we will see.

American voters have very short memory spans. This is too far from the election to have much of an impact on the election results. Once this starts dying down voters will forget because it is not import any more to them. Now if the country experiences civil disobedience, recession, etc that will impact the election but any connection to the virus will be forgotten. They will be different issues for the American voters.

If its anything like what happened in china we are entering a different paradigm.

Corona could be literally like 9/11

Remember there was pre 9/11 and post 9/11

This is what has occurred in China as we speak.

We could be facing the same thing.

I agree with you but how do we turn the post virus era into something positive? Does our disease surveillance system need improved and number diseases expanded? Does our medical education need improved? What capacity do we need as a country to produce certain critical drugs in this country? What capacity does this country need to have to handle the next epidemic and how to pay for it as it sits idle? The focus should be on the next epidemic as much as it is for the current. If we only look at the current we will repeat it all over again when the next epidemic hits in 5 years or whenever.

Very intelligent and critical points....lets hope Mr. Trump addresses some of your points tonight.

originally posted by: confiden
a reply to: EndtheMadnessNow

You can be sure Trump will pump the markets tonight at 6pm. He doesn't like to see stocks go down. Whatever he says will be spun positively. But I doubt schools will open after spring break in Canada after more cases are found. People here are starting to prep I saw several people buying the stuff I usually buy. The local media has been telling everyone to start preparing so a run on items will occur before long. How will the Dollar store restock items from China I have no idea. So far there is everything, only masks are out of stock.

Most likely you'll find seasonal stuff in stock. The problem is that the employees will have reduce hours and may want to quit and then you'll have no one to work. Most of all the plastic container stuff you see will be all gone for a long time once the warehouses are empty. All the school supplies also will be gone and not replaced. We have the same stores here and even the food supplies now are dwendling (sp) . Don't know if they will be restock yet. The food comes from all over the world. Do like the Malaysian chocolates though.