Corona Virus Updates Part 3

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow

originally posted by: Jelonek

I do think 14 day quarantines aren't long enough but unless he never touched a surface outside of his home after he was in contact with his relative we just can't know for sure.

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It was stated before, but merits a repeat:

This pandemic WILL disrupt supply chains.
So, if one plans on buying/selling things online, especially if they ship from/to another continent or country, it could be a good idea to have the purchase/sale completed ASAP. Because we don't know what might happen next week or month.

To quote CDC:

This is an emerging, rapidly evolving situation

So...

Yep. We're about to find out how a pandemic affects supply chains.

As the World turns As the World Shuts down.😳😲

Here, just in this morning: Staff infected by new virus Toll booth closed due to shortage of staff Nagoya Expressway
As you said: As the World Shuts down

originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: InterplanetaryHobo

I remain unconvinced it really matters anymore: containment. As it hasn't been contained. And so therefore, now cannot be. If it will be circling the globe many times over, we're all going to get it, eventually, no matter "containment efforts," and either survive.....or not.
regards, and stay safe,
tetra

I agree. I don't think there's much point anymore. Quarantines clearly aren't working unless it's slowing it down by a few weeks. It's going to crash the world economy if whole cities keep shutting down and telling everyone to stay home.

Surely the World Health organisation has to call this a global pandemic now? There is now ample evidence of sustained, human to human transmission/infection in multiple third party countries.

PS: I hope the ATS forum admins have plenty of offsite secure backups as the 3 parts of this thread will become an important resource for generations to come IMHO. Looks to me like ATS called this before anyone else did.

originally posted by: pasiphae

originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: InterplanetaryHobo

I remain unconvinced it really matters anymore: containment. As it hasn't been contained. And so therefore, now cannot be. If it will be circling the globe many times over, we're all going to get it, eventually, no matter "containment efforts," and either survive.....or not.
regards, and stay safe,
tetra

I agree. I don't think there's much point anymore. Quarantines clearly aren't working unless it's slowing it down by a few weeks. It's going to crash the world economy if whole cities keep shutting down and telling everyone to stay home.

I honestly think the world governments have given up on containment.

All of their actions this far are a delaying tactic on order to buy time to create a vaccine..

originally posted by: tlearyus
Surely the World Health organisation has to call this a global pandemic now? There is now ample evidence of sustained, human to human transmission/infection in multiple third party countries.

PS: I hope the ATS forum admins have plenty of offsite secure backups as the 3 parts of this thread will become an important resource for generations to come IMHO. Looks to me like ATS called this before anyone else did.

I've been thinking they will call it on Monday. If they don't it's a mistake! It definitely fits the criteria at this point!

Isn't it inevitable that a pandemic would cause a massive hit to the world's economy? Multiplying the longer it went on. Could be like spanish flu x great depression.

What if it gets both physically, from quarantine, and economically, unviable to deliver food to cities? Will farmers even be able to plant crops if they are sick, and most of their hybridysed seeds and chemical fertilizer is unaffordable? Made in China?

I think issues like these have the potential to make a worldwide pandemic far worse than what we are already seeing (or really not seeing due to ccp censorship) in China. They are still functioning economically and able to deliver food now... but locusts... and how long can they prop up their markets.

"The outbreak has the potential to cause severe economic and market dislocation. But the scale of the impact will ultimately be determined by how the virus spreads and evolves, which is almost impossible to predict, as well as how governments respond," said Neil Shearing, group chief economist at Capital Economics.

A severe pandemic would resemble a global war in its sudden, profound, and widespread impact," the World Bank assessed in a report on pandemics from 2013.

"This is continuing to grow in scope and magnitude. It could end being really, really big, and really, really serious. We can't project that now," said William Reinsch, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies who spent 15 years as president of the National Foreign Trade Council.

www.cnn.com...

Any resident ats market gurus have any input on this?

originally posted by: clay2 baraka

originally posted by: pasiphae

originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: InterplanetaryHobo

I remain unconvinced it really matters anymore: containment. As it hasn't been contained. And so therefore, now cannot be. If it will be circling the globe many times over, we're all going to get it, eventually, no matter "containment efforts," and either survive.....or not.
regards, and stay safe,
tetra

I agree. I don't think there's much point anymore. Quarantines clearly aren't working unless it's slowing it down by a few weeks. It's going to crash the world economy if whole cities keep shutting down and telling everyone to stay home.

I honestly think the world governments have given up on containment.

All of the actions this far are a delaying tactic to buy time to feverishly create a vacciene..

Yes I agree it's a stall tactic while they create a vaccine but we won't have one for several more months. We can only hope warm weather slows this thing down. It may not care about warm weather though.

I feel it definitely started in Wuhan, just not the market.

www.whiov.cas.cn...

Since the outbreak of the new crown pneumonia epidemic, party members, cadres, workers, and graduate students of the institute have resolutely implemented the Party's central decision-making and the deployment of academic party groups, strictly guarded against the epidemic, and took the initiative to undertake scientific and technological research. But recently, Internet rumors involved some rumors of our institute, such as "New crown virus originated from artificial synthesis" "The virus was leaked from P4 ...

www.whiov.ac.cn...

they have to call it soon, but they are holding off I do not doubt because the world govts are afraid of the damage to the stock markets.

most of my investments are in pretty safe locations right now, was actually considering moving into some riskier ventures before this started.

Going to be interesting to see how this plays out, how far will the ultra rich go to hang onto their wealth.

I missed this earlier - I can't believe they didn't wear any kind of protective clothing again!
www.dailymail.co.uk...

I saw a clip a few days ago in Japan and when escorting passengers off the Diamond Princess they wore full on suits and protective visors.
Those bus drivers will be down the pub in no time at all! Not only is it hugely irresponsible, given what we know now about the passengers developing symptoms since leaving (USA), but it also makes us look like absolute idiots to the rest of the world.

Based on some of the case reports in the news and many posts in this thread we have learned that a 14 day quarantine isn't always long enough.

The word quarantine comes from a seventeenth-century Venetian variant of the Italian 'quaranta giorni', meaning forty days, the period that all ships were required to be isolated before passengers and crew could go ashore during the Black Death plague epidemic.

en.wikipedia.org...

Seems our ancestors knew better. However, in our complex intertwined, entangled, heavily populated globalist world I think containment was never possible. Air travel alone makes containment too late. When was the last time ALL air travel (except for a few fighter jets & Kalitta Air) was shutdown across the USA? The days following 9/11.

originally posted by: clay2 baraka

originally posted by: pasiphae

originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: InterplanetaryHobo

I remain unconvinced it really matters anymore: containment. As it hasn't been contained. And so therefore, now cannot be. If it will be circling the globe many times over, we're all going to get it, eventually, no matter "containment efforts," and either survive.....or not.
regards, and stay safe,
tetra

I agree. I don't think there's much point anymore. Quarantines clearly aren't working unless it's slowing it down by a few weeks. It's going to crash the world economy if whole cities keep shutting down and telling everyone to stay home.

I honestly think the world governments have given up on containment.

All of their actions this far are a delaying tactic on order to buy time to create a vaccine..

Yes. Further it may be instructive to realize this was known from the get go, as it illustrates both what may loom ahead in the future for everyone, and how this started and what it really is......
regards and stay safe,
tet

originally posted by: Irishhaf
they have to call it soon, but they are holding off I do not doubt because the world govts are afraid of the damage to the stock markets.

most of my investments are in pretty safe locations right now, was actually considering moving into some riskier ventures before this started.

Going to be interesting to see how this plays out, how far will the ultra rich go to hang onto their wealth.

Hey Irishhaf:
"Investments?" really? if a true apocalypse, or even a true pandemic, and markets crash, investments will not matter a smudge. Not trying to be doomporny, just saying. It may be long past time to think in terms of money, as it buys you nothing when TSHTF.
regards and stay safe,
tetra

originally posted by: redpassion
a reply to: Rich Z

Was thinking, could they be keeping President Trump in the dark also? It wouldn't surprise me at all.

Possibly. You do have to wonder about how effectively information coming INTO the White House can be filtered. Trump is spending far more time out and about in crowds than I certainly would be comfortable with lately.

Heck, I passed up going to a gun show recently because I didn't want to be in a crowd.

originally posted by: Rich Z

Heck, more importantly that that, I am wondering if Harbor Freight is still going to be around after all this!

the supply chains are not that quick... the shipping was likely commenced 6 months prior to this date...
whatever is in the Walmart or Amazon warehouses from China has been stacked there far longer than the diseases' shelf-life of 9 days to remain alive on product surfaces

(at least i'm gambling such... because the "Walker with Wheels" (medical equipment) came 2 days early today...
I wiped the framework & wheels with disinfectant wipes & used hand sanitizer too...
so I;m OK with stuff that China produced before December 2019, then shipped to USA
except I will not consume anything to eat/drink/pills/and such from China any time in the next 5 years...
whatever is in USA warehouses already is most likely uncontaminated, still

but the storage bins of Chinese products might never be sold...from here on out.... Tariffs wars abruptly end !

a reply to: Agit8dChop

bnonews.com...

There are currently 78,657 confirmed cases worldwide, including 2,458 fatalities.

a reply to: tetra50

no worries mate, the last big pandemic that hit hard was what the Spanish flu people that didnt die recovered in their life times.

without a major mutation this is probably not going to be a civilization killer, it might wreck economies for awhile but govts are not going away, and if we are not careful they will pass draconian style laws allowing them to use any and all means to control people, in their best interest of course.

It will suck, their will be many more deaths, but in the end the world will still turn the sun will still rise and people will still live.

I am not blowing it off I have prepared as much as I can, and me and the wife are prepared to bunker in with the boy for up to 3 months as long as water holds out.

But right now the economic damage added onto the potential supply disruptions scares me more than the flu, desperate people do horrible things and many people will be desperate when it hits the fan in their neighborhood.

BREAKING: South Korea reports 95 new cases of coronavirus, raising country's total to 556

twitter.com...

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: tetra50

no worries mate, the last big pandemic that hit hard was what the Spanish flu people that didnt die recovered in their life times.

without a major mutation this is probably not going to be a civilization killer, it might wreck economies for awhile but govts are not going away, and if we are not careful they will pass draconian style laws allowing them to use any and all means to control people, in their best interest of course.

It will suck, their will be many more deaths, but in the end the world will still turn the sun will still rise and people will still live.

I am not blowing it off I have prepared as much as I can, and me and the wife are prepared to bunker in with the boy for up to 3 months as long as water holds out.

But right now the economic damage added onto the potential supply disruptions scares me more than the flu, desperate people do horrible things and many people will be desperate when it hits the fan in their neighborhood.

Hey again Irishhaf:
Yeah, that last you wrote, too, is particularly spot on, I think. But, what you said about passing Draconian measures in peoples' best interests.....I just don't agree. I've already stated containment seems foolhardy and impossible at this rate. So, any Draconian measures passed, I don't think will be to protect the populous from itself or any disease, but rather to contain people, in general, and this may have been the original purpose from the beginning.
regards and you and family stay safe,
tetra

a reply to: Irishhaf

Something is seriously wrong here, I just agreed with your last post word for word, there's a glitch in the matrix.