Corona Virus Updates Part 3

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: SailorJerry

Eh, I think we all see that right now this is poised to possibly explode in both Japan and South Korea. It may get loose in Italy too.

And if it does explode in Japan and South Korea, how it behaves will tell us a lot. For one thing, those two countries have far less reason to hide than China, or at least you would expect them to be a bit more open to sharing what they find out which is part of the problem we're having so far ... China tells everyone squat.

I haven't posted today's update, the reason is because its been silent other then reporting on the passengers on the ship and their experiences on board.
but maybe later might have something to report. stay tune (oh, keep your guitars in tune too.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow
a reply to: ketsuko

Well, I may consider jumping in my boat and sailing off to a deserted island with my friend Wilson.

Can I join you and bring Spaulding?

Just bring your bill of clean health certificate. 😂

hey the prices are increasing here daily

And all my sardines?

a reply to: musicismagic

Sorry, it's straight from Fox News USA which blocks foreign countries. You can try searching on "cult in South Korea spreading CoronaVirus"

Here's an article...

A mysterious ‘cult’ is at the center of a surge of coronavirus cases in South Korea

California health officials said Friday that 7,600 people who returned to the state after visiting China during the outbreak of the new virus have been asked to quarantine themselves at home this month as health officials try to stop the spread of the virus.

The people returned to the U.S. on or after Feb. 2 and are being asked to monitor their health, stay home and limit interactions with others, the California Department of Public Health said in a statement.

www.sfgate.com... ells-7K-people-to-stay-home-because-15074670.php

South Korea adds 142 cases, total cases now 346. Up 70%.

Pulled from Twitter

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow
a reply to: musicismagic

Sorry, it's straight from Fox News USA which blocks foreign countries. You can try searching on "cult in South Korea spreading CoronaVirus"

Here's an article...

A mysterious ‘cult’ is at the center of a surge of coronavirus cases in South Korea

Well at least it is not the Mormon Church. They have sent their missionaries some place, I do expect them now here in Japan to do the same thing. I mention that church only because I know the missionaries here locally.

a reply to: EndtheMadnessNow

Shincheonji

Yeah, I'd call them a cult. They are taught that their founder is the second coming of Christ and that the scriptures are metaphors only he can interpret correctly. That's usually a good clue you're going nowhere good when your spiritual leader claims to be a god.

In August 2019, the Baptist Convention in Manipur, India warned worshippers to be wary of Shincheonji. "Their leader Lee Man-Hee claims to have access to secret knowledge of scriptures which other church pastors do not know. Moreover, he claims that one can truly know God only by following and listening to the teachings of Shincheonji. Once they are into this group, they spend most of their time inviting people to join Shincheonji group and spend less time with their families, friends and churches and neglect and quit their studies or work."

Wonderful!

I am seeing indications that this cult may have doomsday leanings.

Shincheonji, or the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony, suggests that its founder Lee Man-hee has donned the mantle of Jesus Christ and will take 144,000 people with him to Heaven, body and soul, on the Day of Judgement.

So this event in South Korea may have been intentional. I hesitate to say that, but ... It seems hard to believe that you have an accidental spread to several hundred church members all at one event.

originally posted by: clay2 baraka

California health officials said Friday that 7,600 people who returned to the state after visiting China during the outbreak of the new virus have been asked to quarantine themselves at home this month as health officials try to stop the spread of the virus.

The people returned to the U.S. on or after Feb. 2 and are being asked to monitor their health, stay home and limit interactions with others, the California Department of Public Health said in a statement.

www.sfgate.com... ells-7K-people-to-stay-home-because-15074670.php

self quarantine means what? have you seen the people what they look like in Walmart lately, they'd fight over the last pound of cheese for their frozen pizza they are making tonight.

Maybe I missed this earlier but, How did 70 confirmed cases simply pop into existence out of the blue like this?

Costa Mesa Seeks To Block Transfer Of Up To 70 Coronavirus Patients To City

Federal court papers filed Friday state that the federal government plans to transfer the patients from Travis Air Force Base near Sacramento to the former Fairview Developmental Center on Sunday. Thursday night officials began hearing of the plan by the Department of Health and Human Services and the CDC to move between 30 and 70 patients to the state-owned land.

Some of the patients are from the Diamond Princess cruise ship from which more than 300 U.S. citizens were removed Monday.

I have been here since the first CoVid thread started and read most posts, let me express some thoughts:

One - whether it is considered to be doom porn or not, it is always better to be well prepared ahead of a bad situation, or else one will be in the same sport as some of of our "modern" nations seem to be now. I do not share the view that we will soon all going to die, quite the opposite, but reading how other members are preparing for a bad outcome is helpful and gives one new ideas.

However, other than most forum members, I think that the BEST strategy for a _healthy_ person would then be to try to get infected as soon as possible (one other members write about that too). The idea behind it is this:
a) When the infection spreads and you hole up, sooner or later, you will have to surface again, be it days or weeks. Then, if the infection is still out there, and it probably will survive in pockets for quite some time, if not mutate and re-infect, you will be hit, then or later, aynway. But then the hospitals, the medical attention and the available remedies will be in a bad shape, only partly functional or not existent at all. While, if you are amongst the first infected, you will still have all facilities available and they still run well.
b) According to current numbers, the chance of becoming infected AND die from it, are slim, very slim - lottery price slim, so to say (not forget: I am talking about a healthy person here). And if one is becoming infected, it can even turn out to involve mild or no symptoms at all - so for most people, chances are high that they are no more affected than by a nasty cold.
c) Prepping and holing up is, nevertheless, an important thing, not to keep the virus away, but to be able to survive even when there is a curfew, when shops are closed, when water or electricity is not being maintained anymore. Imagine you act the other way around: You go into total quarantine and then, after days or weeks, when you have to go out again, shops are closed (but your reserves are gone). Better to ride the virus out in the open and use your stocked items when there are none available in the shops anymore, isn't it?

But anyway, just my 2c on the issue.

Concerning the infection numbers, think about this:

Me, I have had about 3 (bacterial) colds in the past few weeks. Once one is gone, the next ones strikes. However, it would never cross my mind to see a doctor about it - and all the people around here will think the same. The reason for that is that a good cold will last 7 days if being treated and 1 week if not being treated, so where is the point of spending time (no money, it is free here) to g and see a doctor, who cannot do anything anyway. Everything for cold treatment can be bought everywhere here, and whether a doctor prescribes it or not, you have to pay for it anyway - so you will go and by something against cough, against a running nose and a hurting throat and be done with it.

Like I said, most people around here think like this and if one would be affected by CoVid19, nobody would notice it, because no medical service would see them, let alone test them for something. I am absolutely convinced, that, for this reason or another, most peple in most countries will behave the same and an infected person will only show up when he experiences some serious effects - but, as mentioned above, this will be only a minority, and so the spread of the infection will, at least in the early stages, proceed undetected or only be detected in small numbers and/or by accident. When the cases pile up later, large numbers of the population (at least locally) have (or had!) been infected already and all infection testing, reporting and treating is like running after the bus who has left already...
Who knows, if that isn't exactly, what happened in Wuhan and what happens or will happen elsewhere.

Just food for thought. :-)

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow
Maybe I missed this earlier but, How did 70 confirmed cases simply pop into existence out of the blue like this?

Costa Mesa Seeks To Block Transfer Of Up To 70 Coronavirus Patients To City

Federal court papers filed Friday state that the federal government plans to transfer the patients from Travis Air Force Base near Sacramento to the former Fairview Developmental Center on Sunday. Thursday night officials began hearing of the plan by the Department of Health and Human Services and the CDC to move between 30 and 70 patients to the state-owned land.

Some of the patients are from the Diamond Princess cruise ship from which more than 300 U.S. citizens were removed Monday.

wow!

a reply to: EndtheMadnessNow

300 were taken off the Diamond Princess. That was a sh!tshow. It's not surprising they keep coming up positive from that. It does say not all of them are from Diamond Princess, but I'd bet most are.

We have musicismagic posting that Media and Government are telling Japanese Citizens the unvarnished truth about case numbers, risk, steps to take etc. and there has been no outright panic and only expected supply disruptions as people stock food, sanitation and medical type supplies. But still no outright panic - would that might be because they're better informed instead of left in the dark?

To bad our tax paid agencies and government think were idiots rather than Japans example of treating citizens as adults.

On the other hand the U.S. has this type crap going on due whatever excuse one wants to ascribe wether staving off panic or saving investors and 401K funds, CDC Caught Lying Again

One could debate the source all day long and probably convince others that way but can one debate the ACTUAL information presented as factual or non-factual - I think this is factual as presented.

Federal court papers filed Friday state that the federal government plans to transfer the patients from Travis Air Force Base near Sacramento to the former Fairview Development Center on Sunday. Last night officials began hearing of the plan by the Department of Health and Human Services and the CDC to move between 30 and 76 patients to the state-owned land.

As of Feb. 21, the CDC had only confirmed 35 cases of coronavirus in the U.S., with California’s confirmed total at 15. Clearly, this is a LIE.

a reply to: ketsuko

He wouldn’t happen to have golden interpreting plates, magic underwear, and advocate for stockpiling goods and provisions would he?

a reply to: ketsuko

The story was a bit vague on the numbers but agree that most are very likely to be from the cruise ship.

Thanks for the info on that South Korean 'cult'. The Coronavirus stewing plot thickens. Wow, unbelievable. Reminds me of some past cults in the USA.

a reply to: slatesteam

I don't know about that, but this comes from the article EndTheMadness linked:

The 88-year-old Lee told his followers in an internal message that the virus was the work of the devil “to stop the rapid growth of Shincheonji,” according to South Korea’s Yonhap news agency. “Just like Job’s faith was tested, it is an attempt to destroy our progress,” he wrote.

Some of the infections may be linked to the recent funeral of Lee’s brother in Cheongdo, a county adjacent to Daegu, considered a sacred site by members of the church because it is Lee’s birthplace. Many of the newly detected cases were patients at a hospital in the same building as the funeral site; both deaths occurred at the hospital.

Their leader is 88 and claims to be here to take his chosen to the promised land as Christ reborn, and he just saw his own brother die. His own mortality has to be staring him in the face. That's not necessarily a good thing when your cult has doomsday teachings and you may not be entirely convinced you can deliver.

Remmeber, Job was the one who had every terrible thing happen to him and came through it ...

Australia to admit students from mainland China (high school seniors now, and probably college students next week). Stopping coronavirus was fun I guess, but not if it interferes with sucking CCP "D"ollars.

Austalia’s chief medical officer, Prof Brendan Murphy, was confident that allowing a small number of additional people from mainland China would not impose any material risk to the Australian population. “We are already letting in Australian citizens and permanent residents, and the good news in the last few weeks from mainland China has been there have been very very few exported cases of this disease,” he said. The federal education minister. Dan Tehan, said: “It is incredibly important that we get some normality back to the international student market.

Australia relaxes coronavirus travel ban to allow some students from mainland China

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: slatesteam

I don't know about that, but this comes from the article EndTheMadness linked:

The 88-year-old Lee told his followers in an internal message that the virus was the work of the devil “to stop the rapid growth of Shincheonji,” according to South Korea’s Yonhap news agency. “Just like Job’s faith was tested, it is an attempt to destroy our progress,” he wrote.

Some of the infections may be linked to the recent funeral of Lee’s brother in Cheongdo, a county adjacent to Daegu, considered a sacred site by members of the church because it is Lee’s birthplace. Many of the newly detected cases were patients at a hospital in the same building as the funeral site; both deaths occurred at the hospital.

Their leader is 88 and claims to be here to take his chosen to the promised land as Christ reborn, and he just saw his own brother die. His own mortality has to be staring him in the face. That's not necessarily a good thing when your cult has doomsday teachings and you may not be entirely convinced you can deliver.

Remmeber, Job was the one who had every terrible thing happen to him and came through it ...

sic

originally posted by: whatisanameanyway
Australia to admit students from mainland China (high school seniors now, and probably college students next week). Stopping coronavirus was fun I guess, but not if it interferes with sucking CCP "D"ollars.

Austalia’s chief medical officer, Prof Brendan Murphy, was confident that allowing a small number of additional people from mainland China would not impose any material risk to the Australian population. “We are already letting in Australian citizens and permanent residents, and the good news in the last few weeks from mainland China has been there have been very very few exported cases of this disease,” he said. The federal education minister. Dan Tehan, said: “It is incredibly important that we get some normality back to the international student market.

Australia relaxes coronavirus travel ban to allow some students from mainland China

didn't they read that japan is now telling Americans and people from Taiwan about traveling to Japan
its getting crazy by the minute
here it is not so safe, but at least the govt. is now bs'n around, they tell us it is around us and accept it and take caution and stay away from crowed areas. (hmm. train or subway at rush hour in tokyo) but really people, now they are worried, no panic yet

a reply to: whatisanameanyway

Just money and greed, certainly will add to the problem.

Bluntly how much is a life worth is a question I'd like to ask to all concerned about economics surrounding this outbreak.

Makes me ill some consider personal finances to be more important.