Corona Virus Updates Part 2

originally posted by: Adphil28
Closing places down in the U.K. now, tbh I think that super spreader has done it, personally I’d say depending on how long he’s been spreading it , where he’s been and how contagious he was that potentially a lot of people that are walking around that don’t know they have it!
news.sky.com...

I think it was already spreading before him, just not in the numbers yet. If they wanted to prevent it getting in, all international travel should have been halted weeks ago, unless mandatory and expensive 4 wk quarantine and tracking.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Oppenheimer67

I think it means those two are so close as to be no real meaningful difference.

Really, I don't think they know for sure and likely won't until the dust settles on this thing.

There is a massive difference.

If you compare each to 100 then maybe not much, but when you consider what it really means, one is heading for twice as contageous as the other - and you add in time then it's massively different.

[edit = at 1.3 vs 2.2 which I think are the correct numbers]

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Does this satellite image show the scale of China's coronavirus cremations? Sulphur dioxide emissions which are produced when bodies are burned reach alarming levels in Wuhan
Satellite maps showed high SO2 levels in quarantined Wuhan and Chongqing
Sulphur dioxide is produced when bodies and medical waste are incinerated
China has decreed that coronavirus victims be cremated in low-key funerals

when you look at the satellite image of SO2 foggy concentrations...It is a Dead Give Away that both body burnings and medical hazardous waste is being torched in those 2 dense population cities...


ergo, the death count of coronavirus victims is/has been definitely underreported from the start of the outbreak


just some sober news that is reflecting Truth in this whole cover-up campaign by China to hoodwink the rest of the world for a number of reasons, but mostly money is my bet

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow
Just one of those timelines where Dean Koontz wrote a book about a Chinese super virus called Wuhan that escaped a secret lab.

Wow, over 11 years ago - some coincidences are just ... interesting...

Thanks for the link, I'll have to read it...

this gets weirder and weirder everyday

a reply to: Oppenheimer67

I know numbers haven’t jumped up much yet, but from 3 to 8 is more than 50% increase in a day!, not big numbers but then that’s how all this started

Surgery has been closed in Brighton after a GP tests positive for coronavirus.

This is just up the road from where I live, people are in a tail spin around here. I've taken my kids off school along with half the town.

GP tests positive for coronavirus

a reply to: Tukota

My daughters 8th grade class has their annual week trip to Washington DC this week. A lot of schools go for Presidents Day.

She, however, made the choice not to go at the beginning of the year. So, I suppose there is that.

originally posted by: MissSmartypants
The masks are most useful when worn by the infected to prevent their sneezes and coughs from spreading.

That was also my understanding, and which aligns with the notion of people who get caught outside without a mask/refuse to wear one might being shot/killed.

And no, I'm not condoning that, just saying it sort of makes sense.

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777


This is not correct, you are misreading that data. Non-smokers were just 85% of that particular sample of people. Actually, smokers came out worse, with only being 11% of the cohort, but being 16% of the people to develop severe problems.

Also, I just found this -

www.preprints.org...

Which states smokers do have higher ACE2 receptor count and also puts to be the idea that Asian males have more ACE2 receptors, they don't.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow
Just one of those timelines where Dean Koontz wrote a book about a Chinese super virus called Wuhan that escaped a secret lab.

Wow, over 11 years ago - some coincidences are just ... interesting...

Thanks for the link, I'll have to read it...

I just downloaded that book to my Kindle last night.

a reply to: toysforadults

Here is a 2015 article you might be interested in reading:

Ralph Baric, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, last week (November 9) published a study on his team’s efforts to engineer a virus with the surface protein of the SHC014 coronavirus, found in horseshoe bats in China, and the backbone of one that causes human-like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in mice. The hybrid virus could infect human airway cells and caused disease in mice, according to the team’s results, which were published in Nature Medicine.

www.the-scientist.com...

originally posted by: Adphil28
a reply to: Oppenheimer67

I know numbers haven’t jumped up much yet, but from 3 to 8 is more than 50% increase in a day!, not big numbers but then that’s how all this started

Yes. So far so good though in a way, because these are just imported cases, or so we are lead to believe. So long as they are tracked and contacts caught before spread, then all is well. I wish I was so optimistic though.

I posted a graph the other day showing how Hong Kong started showing local transmission about 1 week after first imported cases (confirmed cases at least). So that puts the UK, possibly others, due to see local transmission anytime now. May be delayed because of more movement to Hong Kong than UK, we shall see.

If it happens somewhere like London etc, local transmission may then grow similar to Hong Kong. Effectively doubling every 2.8 days to begin with. Just looked and the model predicted 6 new local transmissions there to be confirmed today, and there are 6. This rate is very fast though and so should be expected to decay. I've found 3.5 days more reasonable as an all-rounder. Still terrifying though.

originally posted by: ItsOkToBeHappy
Anyone who runs out and decides to start smoking cigarettes because of something they read on the internet with no proof is a complete moron.

Anyone who believes people would do that could also have their sanity called in to question.

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

I just saw this too, read they have had to signed a contract/ agreement that they wont leave quarantine for 14 days

news.sky.com...

We are certainly seeing some unprecedented actions around this virus. Again leads one to assume they know more than we do and what we know is fairly severe already.

A 2012 article of interest:

Deliberating Over Danger

What’s the real risk?

Whether it arises naturally or as a result of lab manipulation, a mutated form of the flu virus that combines high transmissibility and high lethality could constitute one of the deadliest threats mankind has ever seen. “Only a highly transmissible pathogen [such as a mutated H5N1 virus] can put large numbers of people at severe risk in a short period of time,” Steinbruner says. “At the moment, the influenza virus poses the predominant danger and is essentially in a class by itself in that regard.”

www.the-scientist.com...

a reply to: toysforadults

It looks true, there are ties to Wuhan with the UNC study. Did they f up vaccine and infectivity research?

1Department of Epidemiology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 2Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 3National Center for Toxicological Research, Food and Drug Administration, Jefferson, Arkansas, USA. 4Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China. 5Department of Cell Biology and Physiology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 6Cystic Fibrosis Center, Marsico Lung Institute, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 7Institute for Research in Biomedicine, Bellinzona Institute of Microbiology, Zurich, Switzerland. 8Department of Cancer Immunology and AIDS, Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. 9Department of Medicine, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. Correspondence should be addressed to R.S.B. ([email protected]) or V.D.M. ([email protected]). Received 12 June; accepted 8 October; published online 9 November 2015; corrected online 20 November 2015 (details online); doi:10.1038/nm.3985

Reading through the original article now then checking out the authors.

eeek

Seems 2 of the most recent confirmed coronavirus patients in the UK are health workers, not just one..

I wonder does anyone else think it's slightly strange that the "super spreader "in the UK first went to Singapore and then on to France where he infected 4 people in a ski chalet but they are reporting that he contracted the virus in Singapore ? What are the odds of that? There are only 45 cases currently in Singapore and this guy just happens to contract the coronavirus from one of these 45.. keep in mind there are over 5 million people living in Singapore.. those are some very long odds indeed. My thoughts are if he contracted this in Singapore there must be many many more than 45 cases there.

a reply to: BowBells

is it just me or is this thing contagious as all hell